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Old 10-15-2018, 11:38 PM
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Default Competition AR builds for the risk-averse

So what's the deal now, how are you guys doing AR competitions?

Edit: I guess it's not to be talked about online
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Are you referring to people competing country-wide who happen to live in CA, or people competing solely in CA? If it's the former, I assume you'd have to buy magazines when you're out of state and you can legally convert the rifle to standard configuration. Also, pretty sure even grandfathered hi-cap mags are supposed to be destroyed (there might be an injunction on that law, but I'm not sure; don't quote me on that) But otherwise, I'm pretty sure they have CA legal competition matches, like this one. My rifle is featureless at the moment, so I'd probably go that route personally. Could be fun, in a way, to be limited to 10 rounds and practice getting really quick with reloads.

There's some pretty good fixed mag options out there as of late, too. I don't know if you've seen videos of the Cross Armory Quick Pins/Safe Mag combo, but those could be a good alternative to running featureless. That plus a MEAN loader, which is basically a stripper clip that loads from the breech (the feed ramp mounts where the dust cover would go), and a Compmag and you've got some half-decent options for quick reloads.
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This is calguns so obviously I'm asking about competitions in California.

Yes there is an injunction in place on the 10+ mag possession part of prop 63.

What builds are competitive now? Are people seriously using stripper clips to load thru the ejection port? That can't be very fast or condusive to the longevity of your gun.
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Your best bet is to probably show up at a local match, and see how they're accommodating the recently enacted changes. I am sure that approaches vary from club to club throughout the state.

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Yeah I should totally waste my Saturday instead of getting answers online.
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Yeah I should totally waste my Saturday instead of getting answers online.
As you can see by the number of responses to your thread thus far. Most people aren't willing to document freedom **** online.
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As you can see by the number of responses to your thread thus far. Most people aren't willing to document freedom **** online.
First Rule of Fight Club.....don't talk about fight club....lol

But like RoundEye said, there are plenty of matches to attend throughout the state, I can't think of one part of the state where you can't find a local club to come out to watch a match and talk to shooters.
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Why not just build a featureless if you don't have a registered AR?
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Ummm, don't most clubs have a match director's e-mail or other contact info? I guess it must just be the So Cal clubs that have that convenience...

You have three (3) choices: Featureless, MEAN loader, or some "Quick pin" lever/button. Magazine capacity is usually not regulated by the match director (although I've heard of some ranges that prohibit "hi-cap"). It is up to you to follow rules that apply to your situation since there are many plausible scenarios as to how you possess those magazines.

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Why not just build a featureless if you don't have a registered AR?
I do have a RAW. I didn't think fumbling with a bb would be practical during a match
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Why anyone would help you given your attitude is beyond me. Good luck.


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Your best bet for a competition rifle now is to go featureless. Most competition builds were damn-near featureless anyways, except for the pistol grip. So either run a complete featureless stock or add a grip wrap and you're good. Then you can run a magazine release and legally-owned 10+ round magazines.
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Thank you Jon. I've used a grip with a fin in the past and I found it unwieldy. I was considering something like the thorsden stock or maybe a fightlite scr lower.

I have a great attitude when people show a little respect instead of dismissing my question and telling me to waste my money, gas and my day off.
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You should check out the featureless grips that allow you to wrap your thumb around it.
Sparrow Defense and Resurgent Arms come to mind. It makes a big difference compared to the fins.
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recommending going to a match you plan to compete in, is actually good advice you should take. You will find there's no standard, and what one person on here might tell you could be very different than what you find when you go. Instead of complaining about wasting gas, why not just go and bring what you have and shoot? Nobody will care, and if you aren't already competing odds are you won't win the match anyway, who cares if you come in last.
Some ranges might not allow regular mags. And some places run "CA 10 round" divisions, so you aren't competing against those that do have standard mags. I've never seen anyone compete with a bullet button, or use a fixed mag. It's either featureless, or an old non-BB-AW.
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If you think that it's a waste of money, gas and a day off to learn about how they do it in competition. Why are you bothering to ask?

If you compete you'd have to waste that money, gas and day off doing it so why not just read the match results online?
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I've used the resurgent arms grip with the thumb shelf, it was fine for long range but it felt like a distraction when swinging around close range targets

Exactly, I'm not going to go to a match and not compete!
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Not sure why you would have issues transitioning between close range targets with the Resurgent or Sparrow grip?
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...I have a great attitude when people show a little respect instead of dismissing my question and telling me to waste my money, gas and my day off.
Translation: "I have a great attitude when I get my way. When anyone dares question me, I will verbally attack them." You sound like an entitled millennial. What Roundeye said in a very nice way is: Get off YOUR LAZY BUTT, go down there, AND PUT IN YOUR OWN WORK.

Your answer to that was, "I'm too lazy, do it for me, I need to be spoon fed everything like a baby."

And now, because of your **** attitude, lots of people who would have helped you in this thread have instead posted about your **** attitude. Congrats. I hope that was the result you were looking for.
If not, maybe reevaluate your approach.
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Translation: "I have a great attitude when I get my way. When anyone dares question me, I will verbally attack them." You sound like an entitled millennial. What Roundeye said in a very nice way is: Get off YOUR LAZY BUTT, go down there, AND PUT IN YOUR OWN WORK.

Your answer to that was, "I'm too lazy, do it for me, I need to be spoon fed everything like a baby."

And now, because of your **** attitude, lots of people who would have helped you in this thread have instead posted about your **** attitude. Congrats. I hope that was the result you were looking for.
If not, maybe reevaluate your approach.
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I've used the resurgent arms grip with the thumb shelf, it was fine for long range but it felt like a distraction when swinging around close range targets
Do you have a "close range" sight mounted on a 45-degree angle or something? Maybe more dry-fire practice acquiring close range targets would make things seem more fluid.
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Do you have a "close range" sight mounted on a 45-degree angle or something? Maybe more dry-fire practice acquiring close range targets would make things seem more fluid.
No I've been using a 1-4x and more recently a fixed 3x, but I'm used to shooting AR's in free states. Swinging and shouldering it with the grip fin just takes my attention away from getting on target, I find that I'm just focusing on not dropping the gun.

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