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Stock already need to be pinned to keep it over 30"... just add a grip fin and it's featureless.
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Legal if transported in compliance with 25610, 16850, and destination requirements listed in 30945
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So 30945 applies even if transporting out of state?
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Until you cross the border to some other state, yes.
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There is precedent for a "broken" AW is still an AW. Same would go for removing the gas tube. Cleaner would be to go to a bolt-action upper with no gas tube. You could then run a 10rd magazine but it would not fall under AW classification because it would not be semiautomatic.
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As noted in other threads, the .50 BMG rifle law is intertwined with the 'assault weapon' law, for restrictions on transport and use, and penalties, but they are separate things.
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The way I read it, and as Quiet appears to confirm, the property owner cannot shoot someone else's RAW, even on his or her own property. In order to shoot another person's RAW, you must be at a legitimate shooting range. Informal shooting ranges do not qualify.
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Ahhh! got it! Thank you.
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What is the requirement for storage of an AW In ones home? Does it have to be in a locked container when not in use? Perhaps the action has to be locked with a cable or a Gunvault mag-lock device? Or can it be cocked and locked if one so desires?
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Safe that only you have the combo to, or locked rifle case.
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I'm starting to work through my plan on that important point, being access restricted whereas a non-AW just has to be function restricted. A MagVault or cable and sitting out is ok for a featureless rifle, but not ok for a RAW. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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As noted, RAWs must not be accessible to those to whom it is not registered. Other guns must not be accessible to minors, if one knows or should have known minors would be around. Felons should not have access, if any happen to live with a gun owner. And things like safes are very handy for keeping out most burglars, but if one is not an FFL protecting his stock according to law and local requirements, there is no required storage method.
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Since the registration will be on the web, seems unlikely a doc will exist. No requirement today to keep reg docs with you.
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Possess: to have as belonging to one; have as property; own: Receive: be given, presented with, or paid (something). I would investigate this a little more with your local law enforcement, but I am reading this as it would be ok for a minor under the age of 18 would be able to fire your AW at a gun range. I myself will be asking my local law enforcement agency and gun range. Thank you for you time and have a great day. |
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Dictionary definitions of words don't always transfer well in legal applications. If they did, you'd get an exchange like this: Cop: What's this? A kilo of cocaine? You're under arrest. Suspect: What for? Cop: Possession of a controlled substance. Suspect: But it's not mine! I'm just holding it for a friend of mine. Cop: Dammit! You're free to go.
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Absolutely, provided that while within California you meet the specific destination requirements.
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However, do not expect chain stores like Turners, Dicks, Big-5, and other shops that do not have an on-site gunsmith to do this. They will likely return their unsold stock to the warehouse on December 22. The guns may be refitted at the warehouse, but most likely will be returned to the manufacturer for credit toward compliant versions.
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Gun shops will simply get armaglocks, or bullet button 2.0, or Franklin Armory DFM. Much cheaper than trying to do a full on featureless conversion.
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Jesus. This stuff is so retarded.
Just to satisfy my own curiosity. Does a "bullet button" itself now become an evil feature? Example: A featureless AR, but with a BB installed, is still an "assault weapon"?
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The new law simply redefines an AW as a (featured) rifle/pistol that does not have a fixed magazine. The old law defined an AW as a (featured) rifle/pistol that was capable of accepting a detachable magazine.
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"Evil features" are exactly the same.
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Thank you for the clarification Librarian! I, too, am interested in the BB and under 18 verdicts. My daughter saw my AR and her face lit up, until I told her that she will probably won't be able to shoot it until she was 18 :-(
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second___ its the law in 18 days and no one on this website knows the the law in 18 days???? why do we pay this website?? Calguns!! Is THE BB STAYING??? or GOING?? tell us what you know
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Out of state visitors may not bring anything into the state that is not 2017-compliant, just as today they can not bring anything in that is not 2016 compliant.
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Just venting at this point- but all the guns I've bought; I've always planned on passing on to my kids. Now I'm being told I have to register them again and that my family can never take possession of them.
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Take it up with them - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/contact
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Hopefully the SCOTUS will be answering that question in coming years.
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In response to "iano1", I suspect most all of us feel the same way.
Hopefully, we can pass them down to our kids if we make them featureless. The spare parts we remove can always be saved in case these new rules are overturned down the road some time.
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Maybe I didn't search hard enough, but what if an ar-15 was built with a patriot mag release/ARMaglock and not a BB in 2016. Can this AR be registered still or is registration only open for rifles that have the BB installed prior to 1/1/17
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