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^ the biggest fantasy of all is that gardening in a typical surburban yard can feed more than a few individuals on short notice: it takes 3 to 7 years to develop productive topsoil and even in the suburbs, most everything is covered with asphalt, concrete and buildings. Even with well developed soil, one is still looking at 2000 square feet per person. In my scenario we have 200+ survivors occupying a comparatively user-friendly area 2 miles square out of a population of 500,000+. Those survivors would collectively require 400,000 square feet or 9 acres of top-notch land to survive. That 9 acres would take a stupendous amount of water to keep alive: less than typical row crops to be sure, but its still a lot for a borderline desert. There ain't one fiftieth of that much land in one defensible, waterable spot in most places in So Cal. Maybe in Oxnard or Ramona or Arroyo Grande but even then, those places still might only average 11 inches a year of rainfall and then, mostly in the colder months where a lot of plants just plain don't grow worth a darn.

I came to the conclusion long ago that in a large-scale long-term scenario, the biggest long-term preps are skills and gardening based. Everything else is just comic-book stuff. One of the biggest preps of all is being overlooked by almost everybody and that is having healthy soil, and lots of it wherever one intends to bug into or out of. Without that, I see cannibalism and a 99.5% dieoff as inevitable should modern infrastructure suddenly be disabled. Even in central CA and the midwest, mechanized agricultural practices have practically destroyed the soil and it might take a few growing seasons to rehabilitate that stuff to where it could sustain even the families that work on it.

That's why I started learning permaculture/biointensive/biodynamic gardening back in 2005 when I got serious about prepping. I also got a force-multiplier in the form of mycorrhizal innoculant and legume innoculants which not everyone could easily get ahold were it not for the internet and search engines. A healthy soil ecosystem which can feed one person on 2000 sq feet or less is not storable in a 5 gallon bucket. It has to be constructed over a period of months to years following certain rules for certain parameters, and then maintained and fed, year in..year out..forever. Interested folks should check out Ecology Action Network out of Willits or www.bountifulgardens.org for a good source of supplies and literature. Some will find it a bit Hippy-dippy but ideologies need to be checked at the door if one is going after the best science-based results.

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It's Saturday. I'm leaving the grocery store. There's $457 in my wallet, an unspecified but now useless amount in the bank, and I'm walking across the parking lot towards my modern v-twin motorcycle that is computer controlled and equal in uselessness to my credit cards. Being in a mountain town several hundred miles north of LA, we do not see the flash, but the EMP blast is not line of sight limited, and we suffer an instant electrical failure as well.

Seconds later a Subaru Forester bearing a Keep Santa Cruz Weird sticker collides with a stopped truck in the adjacent intersection as a driver panics at the loss of her power brakes, and becomes too preoccupied with the key and dashboard to notice that she is still rolling at some 25mph.

I have been in the service, and we were trained on this type of thing (in a shipboard environment) so I know within a minute or two by the suddenly dead traffic, and the hush that falls before a babble of confused voices begins to rise, that something has gone very wrong.

My bike refuses to start.

Quick check of the cell phone, dead.

Glance around again, traffic lights are dead, cars stopped everywhere. Ironically, I hear the distant sound of a two-stroke dirtbike being kicked to life and tearing up a hillside trail. Probably a kid out for an afternoon ride, who won't even know the world is ending for several more hours.

I walk across the street to the hardware store, trying not to draw any significant attention to my fledgling plan. There is plentiful light throughout form the front windows, and it's a very small store. Inside I purchase several rolls of rope, a drywall hammer that resembles a hatchet, a box cutting knife, an 8x12' tarp, two flashlights and appropriate batteries, a 5-gallon gas can, and a camping lantern. They have a 5-pack of bic lighters on the counter display, those go in the bag as well.

No. Wait.

I don't have a bag.

The hard sidebags on my cruiser would usually be my transport, but they're at the shop for paint. And the bike is an 800# anchor at this point. All I bought at the grocery was an avocado, a pear, a can of olives, and a half pound of walnuts, and they were just gonna ride home tucked inside my jacket.

I ask the proprietor of the store if they have any backpacks, duffels, etc. It's just under 5 miles to my house by the main roads, and like hell am I gonna hike it carrying all this junk in my arms. He procures what appears to be an older army duffle, and I offer him $20 for it. The register is dead, of course, and the old man has already set up a candle on his counter, muttering about PG&E not dealing with the dangling branches left by a tree in last weeks' storm. He is unaware of the situation outside, save that his lights and register are out.

I load up and re-cross the street, now with a few dozen people out of their cars, attempting to re-power their fried cell phones. Some appear angry, many appear confused, and I think I spot one or two who realize the magnitude of the situation already. I return to the grocery store, picking out four small propane canisters, two five pound bags each of rice and beans, and a dozen or so canned stews and such that look palatable. Would like to pack more, but I've several miles to walk up into the canyon where my cabin is situated.

Leaving the store laden with perhaps 80-90# in the duffle bag, carrying the empty fuel can against the hope that the gas pumps still work, I head towards home. My girlfriend is there, and she's going to assume this is a standard power outage. I need to get there before our power outage plan becomes a liability.

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I'm copying the whole thing to read as a book.

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^ the biggest fantasy of all is that gardening in a typical surburban yard can feed more than a few individuals on short notice: it takes 3 to 7 years to develop productive topsoil and even in the suburbs, most everything is covered with asphalt, concrete and buildings. Even with well developed soil, one is still looking at 2000 square feet per person. In my scenario we have 200+ survivors occupying a comparatively user-friendly area 2 miles square out of a population of 500,000+. Those survivors would collectively require 400,000 square feet or 9 acres of top-notch land to survive. That 9 acres would take a stupendous amount of water to keep alive: less than typical row crops to be sure, but its still a lot for a borderline desert. There ain't one fiftieth of that much land in one defensible, waterable spot in most places in So Cal. Maybe in Oxnard or Ramona or Arroyo Grande but even then, those places still might only average 11 inches a year of rainfall and then, mostly in the colder months where a lot of plants just plain don't grow worth a darn.
Man are you raining on everyone's Fantasyland image of how things are supposed to happen. I agree with you, and it makes me wonder whether the guns that survivalists buy might actually be used to TAKE food from those who really do know how to survive - farm. Without water it's a no-go no matter how well prepared you are if you can't grow your own food.

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Try 5500 sq feet of arable soil per person with ample water.
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A Weak and Emaciated Christmas: 6 Months After.

The days are short and the temps are chilly but this is still Zone 24 on the coast so I’m actually harvesting bell peppers and a few tomatoes out of the garden. The folks with the chickens who fled the fires have been giving their hens supplemental heat and light from some LEDs that apparently put out the correct spectrum for summer sunlight. The egg-laying output is not high but all the eggs are fertilized by the rooster and hatched as future breeding stock. We now have 26 chicks that have been born from the original birds that escaped the fires and looting. They are in a very strong concrete tiltup that we have covered from all angles. There are enough spare chicks maturing that we’ll be separating out a few and moving them to different areas where they can forage on the spring and winter weeds and insects and put on weight. If things keep up, we’ll all be able to have fresh eggs around March or so. We’ve already fabricated some wheeled enclosures to push around the vacant weedy areas that used to be parks, golf courses or landscaped strips. Each chicken tractor will be attended 24/7 by a couple of armed “chicken sheperds” for want of a better term. Coyotes have moved down from the hills and across 20 to 40 miles of urbanized landsape and are were being sighted in Carson and San Pedro even before the EMP but now they’re hell-hungry so we’ve added those to the list of problems we have to face. Personally, little old me sees them as a welcome source of protein.

We all screwed up big tho.. Two weeks after that EMP thinga-ma-bob I had a two year supply of food. Now only six months later, I’m down to 4 months left. All of us had been sort of adopting refugees who had valuable skill sets while not really taking into account exactly how much our gardens could produce. The result is that we have to eat everything from human predators to cockroaches if we are to survive past April. Some of those refugees have saved my life on one occasion or another as I’ve saved theirs and its gonna be a cold day in hell before I turn my back on them and let them starve so I dug up some caches ahead of time and shared my preps. Everyone else has done the same thing.

Couldn’t tell who I’d sacrifice my own survival prospects for by looking ‘em either…had a twenty-something kid with Rasta-locks and a tie-dyed shirt show up with his unwashed vegetarian girlfriend who’ve proven their mettle during shootouts and garden work alike. At the other end of the outward appearance spectrum, we took in a clean cut Marine stationed at Camp Pendleton who made it as far as our place with his wife and kid: he’d flanked and took out a bad guy that had gotten the drop on me one night. Made the decision to share my preps with all of them. Figured to do otherwise is a crime worse than eating bad guys.

To make matters worse, it’s the middle of winter and our fruit trees are dormant with the exception of a few varieties of Citrus. A handful of lemons or oranges here and there ain’t gonna keep 200+ people alive. Cut myself down to 900 calories a day and really feel it. Haven’t had much protein since Thanksgiving stew: just the occasional rats or mice and a few finches and starlings.

Traded a dozen boxes of 9mm and ten loaded Glock magazines for a stick of rancid butter. Made a big box out of window-screen material and put some sheets of cardboard separated by one eighth inch spacers. Made a big funnel entrance and stuck that on one side of the screen box. Left it in the ruins of an old Mexican restaurant and went back several nights later to retrieve it. Apparently the grease in the sewer lines supported roach populations long after human activity ceased. I rubbed that stinky stick on the cardboard sheets and then put em in a greenhouse that got hot when the sun came out. Let the ooze from the putrid butter soak into the cardboard so the little suckers have to work at getting it and that keeps them coming for a few nights until I have enough for a meal.

Must’ve caught three-hundred cockroaches in there. Plunked ‘em all into a pot of boiling water and added onion, potato, garlic, a little cattail root, salt and lots of Tabasco in there and had Christmas dinner for about ten of us. Figure I got enough on that stick of putrid butter to bait maybe fifty more traps.
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Having read your theories convinces me even more walking out early / biking to remote Nevada territory is a great idea. I'd have given you 20 rattle snakes for that ammo alone.
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Chaparral! When we going to see you on Doomsday preppers?

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Run back to home, grab pistol and ammo and conceal carry it, take as much cash as I got, go to local super market with family, buy as much food as I can, go home, deposit food, repeat process if I have more cash left over.

After that, just hunker down at home, talk to neighbors, try to secure the property and just wait for the news. I don't have any other family here so, I don't really have anyone to check on.
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I carry very little cash. Being in San Diego county a LTC is non-existant for us serfs; all I have is a folder in my pocket. I only live a mile from the grocery so either the truck or the motorcycle is in the parking lot. Pretty sure the truck woud be dead (just too many computers in it, though it is a diesel, if it will crank, it just might run), the motorcycle has a prayer - one small electronics module for the ignition and it is an exply filled metal box bolted to the frame. That might survive.

Last year, SDG&E had a cascade failure that shut down San Diego for about 12 hours. No natural disaster, just no power. It does NOT take an EMP to start the slide to H3ll. 36-48 hours and the regular population becomes zombies. I call them zombies for lack of a better term; they are the unprepared, untrained, and willing to roam and kill for what they want, and after 3-4 days without fast food, ATM or stocked groceries they are HUNGRY! For those of us that lived through the power outage and paid attention, it served as a great wake-up to how ill-prepared the population was to handle any kind of a disaster. Everyone is told to make an earthquake kit; very few do. I live in the middle of a BIG cit with no natural resoucrces. With no transportation except feet or bicycle, my only choice is to Bug IN.

They typical surburban home is a poor protective structure (mine is little more than a nice looking barn with windows covered in stucco). If fire or shooting starts, there is nowhere to go for cover. Stucco looks nice, fairly resistant to sun and flexable enough to withstand most tremmors, but it WON'T stop a bullet. There are just too many windows (and too large) to effectively gaurd aginst entry. With no electricity, air circulation would require at least some of the windows to be open most of the time just to keep the house cool inviting bad guys.

My only ace is the travel trailer that we park in the back yard. We have an onboard generator, and a portable that will run everything but the AC and sizeable fuel, propane and water tanks we keep full. Though I won't be able to move it, it will serve NICELY as a lifeboat for a few weeks until it's reserves finally run dry. Solar would keep the battery charged (even without the solar cell circuit manager, the panels would likely survive and with a few wire modifications would still provide a voltage to charge the batteries.) The only thing that needs power is the water pump. I have a manual overide pump that I can use to keep the sink functioning.

We keep the trailer stocked, and the wife keeps plenty of dry and canned foods in the house. Between the 80 gallons in the trailer and another 60 in the water heater (not counting 10-20 gallons of bottled water) we would be OK for a few weeks provided I could keep the zombies from taking what we have.

It is just me and the wife, once a fire, or looting force us to the road our future becomes very uncertain. No ammount of ammo or skills can protect one or two from a MOB insistent on taking all you have. It looks grand in the movies when the underdog wins, but highly unlikely in the real world. My only chance is to stay in the dark and keep quiet as possible and keep the wolves away for as long as I can hold out.

Hopefully many of us survive the first wave. An EMP is the OPENING of a war. No country has ever won a war without putting soldiers on the ground. At some point, if the locals don't get us, at some point you have to face the real enemy.
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I carry very little cash. Being in San Diego county a LTC is non-existant for us serfs; all I have is a folder in my pocket. I only live a mile from the grocery so either the truck or the motorcycle is in the parking lot. Pretty sure the truck woud be dead (just too many computers in it, though it is a diesel, if it will crank, it just might run), the motorcycle has a prayer - one small electronics module for the ignition and it is an exply filled metal box bolted to the frame. That might survive.

Last year, SDG&E had a cascade failure that shut down San Diego for about 12 hours. No natural disaster, just no power. It does NOT take an EMP to start the slide to H3ll. 36-48 hours and the regular population becomes zombies. I call them zombies for lack of a better term; they are the unprepared, untrained, and willing to roam and kill for what they want, and after 3-4 days without fast food, ATM or stocked groceries they are HUNGRY! For those of us that lived through the power outage and paid attention, it served as a great wake-up to how ill-prepared the population was to handle any kind of a disaster. Everyone is told to make an earthquake kit; very few do. I live in the middle of a BIG cit with no natural resoucrces. With no transportation except feet or bicycle, my only choice is to Bug IN.

They typical surburban home is a poor protective structure (mine is little more than a nice looking barn with windows covered in stucco). If fire or shooting starts, there is nowhere to go for cover. Stucco looks nice, fairly resistant to sun and flexable enough to withstand most tremmors, but it WON'T stop a bullet. There are just too many windows (and too large) to effectively gaurd aginst entry. With no electricity, air circulation would require at least some of the windows to be open most of the time just to keep the house cool inviting bad guys.

My only ace is the travel trailer that we park in the back yard. We have an onboard generator, and a portable that will run everything but the AC and sizeable fuel, propane and water tanks we keep full. Though I won't be able to move it, it will serve NICELY as a lifeboat for a few weeks until it's reserves finally run dry. Solar would keep the battery charged (even without the solar cell circuit manager, the panels would likely survive and with a few wire modifications would still provide a voltage to charge the batteries.) The only thing that needs power is the water pump. I have a manual overide pump that I can use to keep the sink functioning.

We keep the trailer stocked, and the wife keeps plenty of dry and canned foods in the house. Between the 80 gallons in the trailer and another 60 in the water heater (not counting 10-20 gallons of bottled water) we would be OK for a few weeks provided I could keep the zombies from taking what we have.

It is just me and the wife, once a fire, or looting force us to the road our future becomes very uncertain. No ammount of ammo or skills can protect one or two from a MOB insistent on taking all you have. It looks grand in the movies when the underdog wins, but highly unlikely in the real world. My only chance is to stay in the dark and keep quiet as possible and keep the wolves away for as long as I can hold out.

Hopefully many of us survive the first wave. An EMP is the OPENING of a war. No country has ever won a war without putting soldiers on the ground. At some point, if the locals don't get us, at some point you have to face the real enemy.
no power & ot's quite out, till everyone hears that Genni runningyou won't last weeks, they willbe there to take your food, etc
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Would not run the gen for at least 2 weeks until the crowds die down. Besides, no defendable space around the house. The little wood fence ain't gonna stop nothing. Once the mobs start to roam the streets doubt many of us have a prayer in the cities - mob rules.
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You'd be best not to run that generator when everyone can hear it. Once the water pressure is gone because the city's tanks are empty you'll need to dig a hole in the back yard for a bathroom. Good time to dig two cause you'll probably need two anyway. Get down about 12/15 feet and tunnel a 4x4 diameter about 6 feet in and frame up with some fence boards if you don't have any 2x4s from the bottom of the non bathroom unit (for now). Hang some heavy clothes or blankets from the top of the 2x4s and prepare an exhaust tube to the top. If you need to put a 2x4 "ring" around the hole ever 4 feet going up and attach another blanket. Depending on your generator its quite possible that will muffle it completely - don't run lights at night duh....


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You'd be best not to run that generator when everyone can hear it. Once the water pressure is gone because the city's tanks are empty you'll need to dig a hole in the back yard for a bathroom. Good time to dig two cause you'll probably need two anyway. .
How about this idea :
I have an extra toilet seat ( Still in Box) with my earthquake gear in the outside shed. With a box or 2 of kitchen trash bags
I always have a lot of 5 Gallon buckets around

Line the bucket with the trash bag. sit the toilet seat on top and enjoy !!

For night time lighting I have a collection of old oil lamps
The " aladdin lamps, " or hurricane lamp with it's huge mantel puts out 60 watts of light
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How about this idea :
I have an extra toilet seat ( Still in Box) with my earthquake gear in the outside shed. With a box or 2 of kitchen trash bags
I always have a lot of 5 Gallon buckets around

Line the bucket with the trash bag. sit the toilet seat on top and enjoy !!

For night time lighting I have a collection of old oil lamps
The " aladdin lamps, " or hurricane lamp with it's huge mantel puts out 60 watts of light
And when the bag is full...what do you do with it? Lots of bags adding up and the smell does permeate through the plastic.

I can already hear the response to this one coming...throw it at someone attacking my home...bait...keep people away with the smell...
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If anyone was interested, a great way of getting rid of poo and other human waste is by incineration.

Apparently there's a company called EcoJohn that makes toilets that work by incinerating your manly stew. So if you're living next to an oil derrick and have an unlimited supply of light sweet crude, you could make your own diesel and kerosene and run one of these indefinitely.

Though, if someone was very creative and wanted to create a "Throne" install the toilet off the ground a few feet and aim a few directTV Dishes w/ mirrors to heat up the incinerator.
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Yeah, all kidding aside it seems to have headed off into a male fantasy where it's an I-pretend-that-I'm-a-bad-***-scenario, but once it comes to eating people, it's not anywhere I want to be.
True that. I can be entertained by the hypothetical loss of civilization... the loss of humanity may or may not inevitable in such a scenario, but not one I'm entertained by.
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LOL.

I bet Chaparral might have been exaggerating a little bit when he said his crops weren't coming in as well as they had hoped..

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PS-If you'll note, urine can actually be used as fertilizer too. In general, it's supposedly 100% sterile until bacteria starts feasting on it. So if you collect it and dilute with water, you can use it to water your crops. Generally EcoJohn offers separate urine and fecal storage specifically for this purpose. Just take the EcoJohn, lose the burner, and add a sawdust silo.

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I can't believe I read this whole thread....it just kinda sucked me in.

The entertainment value of Chaps writing make it a page turner, for sure.
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New Years Bartering:

It’s looking like a dry winter and that means more work hauling water to keep the gardens alive. Hauling water on 900 calories a day is a one way ticket to a dirtnap. Don’t know how much time we have left. We got problems with our own now stealing food here and there. Haven’t seen any outsiders for a while now. Folks who had only stashed maybe six months of preps away are running on empty now. Others with a year’s supply are getting nervous with the number of refugees we’ve taken on. Everyone’s getting pissed at Alpha-dick-wagger guy and a few of his groupies. He spends too much time on stupid crap like static defensive emplacements and not enough time on hauling water and tending to plants when malnutrition, not bad guys are our biggest enemy. He fancies himself some sort of warrior-elite and the rest of us as lowly farmers. Methinks he might be appropriating more than his fair share of food as well but I can’t prove it.

Well, we found another group of survivors that had holed up in what used to be a community garden plot next to an oil refinery. They had a lot of well-developed soil that produced some pretty impressive output from their gardens. They had scavenged glass panes from all the commercial storefronts and had built an impressive array of greenhouses in a low, well watered draw. They had kept some pineapple plants and dwarf bananas alive through the summer dry spell and had also managed to stash a few egg-laying hens away but their rooster had gotten himself eaten a week after the stuff hit the rotating blade. They were more of the hippy-pacifist type so even though they also had armament, the skill and mindset was not there. Luckily for them, they’d joined up with a few sheepdogs. Several LAPD and family from the nearby Harbor Division Station had joined them along with some USN personnel and an Army Ranger who’s acquaintance I had made years ago also kept them safe. That Ranger has one helluva green thumb..wish he’d a holed up with us instead. They got their fresh water from sheets of glass and plastic affixed to frames and one of them had also attached some Peltier junctions to strips of aluminum and collected fresh water on the cooler metal surfaces. They’d also blocked some storm drains and as a consequence, had a long, shallow lake blocking access to their hidey hole from two sides.

Like the K9 dude at the port, they were a goldmine of intel. They knew about Obi Wan Kenobi dude and his family and all the nasty goings on just over on the other side of Barton Hill. Apparently the “whats yours is mine” mentality runs strong in places and the problem of too many chiefs and not enough Indians is causing friction between folks who should otherwise be concentrating their efforts at growing stuff and going fishing instead of sniping each other from the rooftops. Some of the old fishing fleet is operational and that along with some minimal gardening output is keeping parts of what used to be San Pedro alive but those boats are fuel-hogs and the supply of diesel and pump gas is running out. The folks holed up in the public garden area have purposely laid low on account of their prominent location and low numbers. There’s barely 20 of them left alive out of more than 100 survivors that coalesced there within the first month or so. At least they’re self-sufficient in the food department. They actually produce a small surplus but then they’re working soil that has been farmed organically for more than 20 years now.

We all had a big New Years eve pow-wow and someone even found an old disco ball to drop. We lit it up with 12 V LED Xmas lights. I broke out a nice bottle of Whiskey and two bottles of 30 year Port that I’d had in storage for about 6 years and we settled into some nice rounds of Texas Hold’em until about three in the morning. The opportunity I’d been waiting months for had finally arrived: got me a nut-flush on the flop and Alpha-dick-wagger also had a trey of kings. Well, I’d mucked the last king in the previous round and the deck hadn’t been shuffled yet so I knew I was tops. Slow played that sunofa***** into the river and raised the pot with a .510 DTC upper, 200 rounds of ammo, components for 500 more and the reloading press and dies along with a nice USO optic and got him to pony up his two .416 Barretts with their seven rounds of ammo. I was acting tipsier than I was and he must’ve thought my ability to hold my hooch was declining with malnutrition (it was, but not to that extent). It was a good haul. I’d gathered the rest of the brass from their shootout months ago and had turned some solids on a lathe and found a few recipes written down in dead-tree format so I actually had way the heck more than 7 rounds for those bad boys.

The next day I went down to pay K9 dude a visit. Seeing as how us males of the species often let our little heads do the thinking for the big one when big shiny new guns, watches, cars, planes, boobs etc.. are dangled in front of us, I haggled with a couple of the head honchos on one of the cargo ships until we hammered out a deal: They get two scoped Barrett 82A1s and twenty rounds of ammo for fifty bushels of wheat and fifty of corn. No proper red-blooded American male can resist a semi auto Barrett and the deal was consummated. I swapped out the Nightforce glass for some BSA or Barska optics and sort of boresighted them in for 100 yards. What would have been 20 grand in hardware barely six months ago was now exchanged for 4 cubic yards of feed-quality grain that tasted like cardboard and would have had a market value of maybe 600 dollars on the day the EMP thingie hit.

Four cubic yards of grain feeds a lot of people. That buys us all time and cushions against marginal gardening yields. We still have to go fishing for cockroaches as we need protein and other folks have staked out the waterfront as their own so we can’t fish enough to feed more than one or two of us. The dum basses that took the guns will have to figure out how to sight them in and then get in a fight and use up their twenty rounds of ammo.

Well, I still got the reloading press. We machined some dies based on measured specs. Another guy worked on a jig to turn solids with a high degree of precision and someone else rigged an old slant 6 from a 1960s Dodge Dart to provide the power for the lathe since the sun ain’t been shining enough to give us usable solar. Sooner or later, them fellas will get in a fight and need more ammo. Each round is gonna cost them dearly. Hell, we may be rolling so much grain that we can feed it to the chickens!
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Thanks Chaparral! How is the book coming along?
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I'd go right back into that market , hopefully a wal mart and I would loot it just like everybody else is going to ! Only I'd go to the ammo counter first , and not the retail cabinet but they lock up cases of ammo under the counters at the check stands. I'd grab several thousand rounds or as much as I can fit in a shopping cart . Then it's shopping spree on water and food, batteries , car batteries blah blah blah .
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my wife does not like it when water is shut off. me? i water plants in garden if i have to. learned that while doing 21 yrs military. my mosin nagant has no batteries to help me see better so it is not useless. i have some leftover army stuff and i camp a few times a year in my 65 vw bus/camper. i have some candles and coleman stove and lanterns and such. a single headed axe,a shovel ,a pickaxe and other stuff. i can always shoot an agressor to get his favorite weapon and his ammo.
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Depending on what grocery store I am shopping at - I have a VERY long hike. Realistically my best case scenario I get home sometime Sunday... or later in the week.

In the vehicle - typically but not always have water - almost some kind of bag (heavy duty shoulder strap tool bag) that could be used for carrying water. LTC - ... I almost always carry spare walking shoes or boots if my shoes are not suitable for walking.
Once home I'll have water, food, solitude.
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New Years Bartering:

It’s looking like a dry winter and that means more work hauling water to keep the gardens alive. Hauling water on 900 calories a day is a one way ticket to a dirtnap. Don’t know how much time we have left. We got problems with our own now stealing food here and there. Haven’t seen any outsiders for a while now. Folks who had only stashed maybe six months of preps away are running on empty now. Others with a year’s supply are getting nervous with the number of refugees we’ve taken on. Everyone’s getting pissed at Alpha-dick-wagger guy and a few of his groupies. He spends too much time on stupid crap like static defensive emplacements and not enough time on hauling water and tending to plants when malnutrition, not bad guys are our biggest enemy. He fancies himself some sort of warrior-elite and the rest of us as lowly farmers. Methinks he might be appropriating more than his fair share of food as well but I can’t prove it.

Well, we found another group of survivors that had holed up in what used to be a community garden plot next to an oil refinery. They had a lot of well-developed soil that produced some pretty impressive output from their gardens. They had scavenged glass panes from all the commercial storefronts and had built an impressive array of greenhouses in a low, well watered draw. They had kept some pineapple plants and dwarf bananas alive through the summer dry spell and had also managed to stash a few egg-laying hens away but their rooster had gotten himself eaten a week after the stuff hit the rotating blade. They were more of the hippy-pacifist type so even though they also had armament, the skill and mindset was not there. Luckily for them, they’d joined up with a few sheepdogs. Several LAPD and family from the nearby Harbor Division Station had joined them along with some USN personnel and an Army Ranger who’s acquaintance I had made years ago also kept them safe. That Ranger has one helluva green thumb..wish he’d a holed up with us instead. They got their fresh water from sheets of glass and plastic affixed to frames and one of them had also attached some Peltier junctions to strips of aluminum and collected fresh water on the cooler metal surfaces. They’d also blocked some storm drains and as a consequence, had a long, shallow lake blocking access to their hidey hole from two sides.

Like the K9 dude at the port, they were a goldmine of intel. They knew about Obi Wan Kenobi dude and his family and all the nasty goings on just over on the other side of Barton Hill. Apparently the “whats yours is mine” mentality runs strong in places and the problem of too many chiefs and not enough Indians is causing friction between folks who should otherwise be concentrating their efforts at growing stuff and going fishing instead of sniping each other from the rooftops. Some of the old fishing fleet is operational and that along with some minimal gardening output is keeping parts of what used to be San Pedro alive but those boats are fuel-hogs and the supply of diesel and pump gas is running out. The folks holed up in the public garden area have purposely laid low on account of their prominent location and low numbers. There’s barely 20 of them left alive out of more than 100 survivors that coalesced there within the first month or so. At least they’re self-sufficient in the food department. They actually produce a small surplus but then they’re working soil that has been farmed organically for more than 20 years now.

We all had a big New Years eve pow-wow and someone even found an old disco ball to drop. We lit it up with 12 V LED Xmas lights. I broke out a nice bottle of Whiskey and two bottles of 30 year Port that I’d had in storage for about 6 years and we settled into some nice rounds of Texas Hold’em until about three in the morning. The opportunity I’d been waiting months for had finally arrived: got me a nut-flush on the flop and Alpha-dick-wagger also had a trey of kings. Well, I’d mucked the last king in the previous round and the deck hadn’t been shuffled yet so I knew I was tops. Slow played that sunofa***** into the river and raised the pot with a .510 DTC upper, 200 rounds of ammo, components for 500 more and the reloading press and dies along with a nice USO optic and got him to pony up his two .416 Barretts with their seven rounds of ammo. I was acting tipsier than I was and he must’ve thought my ability to hold my hooch was declining with malnutrition (it was, but not to that extent). It was a good haul. I’d gathered the rest of the brass from their shootout months ago and had turned some solids on a lathe and found a few recipes written down in dead-tree format so I actually had way the heck more than 7 rounds for those bad boys.

The next day I went down to pay K9 dude a visit. Seeing as how us males of the species often let our little heads do the thinking for the big one when big shiny new guns, watches, cars, planes, boobs etc.. are dangled in front of us, I haggled with a couple of the head honchos on one of the cargo ships until we hammered out a deal: They get two scoped Barrett 82A1s and twenty rounds of ammo for fifty bushels of wheat and fifty of corn. No proper red-blooded American male can resist a semi auto Barrett and the deal was consummated. I swapped out the Nightforce glass for some BSA or Barska optics and sort of boresighted them in for 100 yards. What would have been 20 grand in hardware barely six months ago was now exchanged for 4 cubic yards of feed-quality grain that tasted like cardboard and would have had a market value of maybe 600 dollars on the day the EMP thingie hit.

Four cubic yards of grain feeds a lot of people. That buys us all time and cushions against marginal gardening yields. We still have to go fishing for cockroaches as we need protein and other folks have staked out the waterfront as their own so we can’t fish enough to feed more than one or two of us. The dum basses that took the guns will have to figure out how to sight them in and then get in a fight and use up their twenty rounds of ammo.

Well, I still got the reloading press. We machined some dies based on measured specs. Another guy worked on a jig to turn solids with a high degree of precision and someone else rigged an old slant 6 from a 1960s Dodge Dart to provide the power for the lathe since the sun ain’t been shining enough to give us usable solar. Sooner or later, them fellas will get in a fight and need more ammo. Each round is gonna cost them dearly. Hell, we may be rolling so much grain that we can feed it to the chickens!
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Holy necro thread Batman! I'd forgot this still existed. I lost the original when my hard drive died. Gotta think how things would be 24 months later... But give me a few days...been slammed with work for the last 18 months straight.
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