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MOAR!!! Did you pick up the .416 brass after playing a game of poker? Whats going on with the concrete building the predators are living in?
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Week 13

Found a Scupper-pro kayak hanging from the rafters in an abandoned garage and dug my old quarter inch Farmer John out of storage, along with mask, fins, snorkel, weights, some goodie bags, pole spears, and my Riffe. I like that type of kayak because practically anybody can use one and they track well enough in choppy water. They also have good storage space in the bulkheads. I’m gonna get ready to go down to the water and find some critters to eat if need be. It’s only a mile or so to the ocean and there’s gotta be mussels growing on the pilings or garibaldi lurking around the rocks….… guess I could go freedive on the Federal Breakwall and get bugs and maybe limpets and snails. Methinks a lot of us will be eating the tiny little thumb-sized critters we used to see in grade school when our teachers took us out to the tidepools. Gotta find some surgical tubing for the spearguns and gotta make sure the dry bags stay dry on the inside. Things like seals oxidize and grow brittle just sitting around in storage. Dive gear that relies on seals and gaskets is definitely biodegradeable…

Figure on trying to make it to the waterfront and then put in the Scupper pro for a trip to the breakwall and maybe even the Angel’s Gate lighthouse and beyond. First I wanted to scout the waterfront by night and maybe day. Skulked down to the freeway and figured it’d be a good route seeing as how it’s elevated above an unpopulated industrial area with hard cover from the concrete berms and concealment with all the abandoned cars. Saw signs of life at the old LAPD station. There are folks holed up there which makes sense seeing as how it’s a strong defensible building. There is also a community garden plot within a half mile. Figured I’d head up the Vincent Thomas Bridge and try to see what I could from midspan. I planned on spending one day and two nights there. I’d hunker down and sleep in an abandoned vehicle by day and move by night…funny how a four mile walk becomes a two day odyssey without the law and order of a functioning world.

Saw some live things moving around with the thermal imager on the approach. Some of those things were in boats on the water. The outboard motors on a few glowed hot. I could pick up a glimmer of light here and there with the NV but the distances were too great to really see anything. Daybreak saw an entirely ruined and burnt out San Pedro…I guess with the high urban density of combustible material, the fires had just consumed the place within the first few weeks of the disaster. I could see lots of plastic sheeting set up along the waterfront. Those could be makeshift greenhouses or desert stills on a gigantic scale. Whatever they are now, the first good winter storm and they’re toast

There were a few smoke plumes rising from the cluster of mid to high rise buildings around 5th and Centre St. Some of those were of steel or reinforced concrete construction..stands to reason that they’d be inhabitable when the rest of the wood framed stuff burnt down. Container traffic was light given the economy so there were not too many ships stranded in the port.

There were a lot of sailboats out and about and they were not drifting aimlessly either. It looks like folks are hitting the ocean out past the breakwall for their nutritional needs here. The boats went out in the early morning and came back at sunset when the wind kicked up in the evening.

I kept a low profile. Obi wan Kenobi dude said there was a lot of fighting going on here and people had formed up into very large well-armed gangs. There weren’t a whole lot of Ukranians in ‘Pedro so his smallish family was low on the totem pole. Everyone else had formed up along family and then ethnic lines and there were literally DMZ crisscrossing the ruined city separating them. Folks with little or no family had to join forces and even then, they’d be outvoted and relegated to second class citizenry amongst the survivors. Those who pissed off the wrong person had to hit the road even if they did have preps or skills…that explains the sporadic flow of refugees into our AO from that direction… Also tells me that some folks are letting their little heads do the thinking for the big ones and that leads to stoopidity on an epic scale. Means I gotta be extra careful because it’s harder to reason with stupid than it is with smart.

Methinks we may be denied the ocean. This is disappointing but not unexpected. It means we may have war between bands of survivors and starvation soon. Four miles and a change in geography equal a new nation-state now that the world has changed. Tribalism rules. Some of the tribes coalesce where people meet up and are useful to one another. There ain’t a whole lot of singing Kumbaya here.

I’m going to try a stealthy approach…one deeper into the port around Terminal Island or whereabouts, away from any other humans…If I can find such a place and put in at night and do some dawn and dusk diving…maybe even some night dives with a small light.

On the way home I picked a couple dozen dry gourds and scrounged up some seeds from that Coyote melon growing on the roadcut. It’s a California native that’ll grow with minimal fuss and provide usable but very bitter tasting calories. The seeds can be cleaned of the bitter pulp, dried and roasted. As I neared the park, I could smell burnt human flesh. Someone caught another marauder and put too much firewood under his carcass. Glad it wasn’t me burning the meat or my wife would never let me hear the end of it.

So Intrepid CalGunners, how are your neighbors? They lookin’ at you like you need some A1?
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Chaparral - Are you ok? Did you get stuck out on the ocean in your kayak, or have you given in and resorted to eating people?
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Chaparral - Are you ok? Did you get stuck out on the ocean in your kayak, or have you given in and resorted to eating people?
You beat me to it, I was going to ask a similar question about the very noticeable and much awaited update from Chap.
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Week 14.

It’s fall and I saw a few doves fly in and land in an undeveloped area near the refinery. Also seen some house finches fly in to attack the fig trees. Those are the first birds anyone’s seen since June. The finches met Mr Whisper and went into a stew. For now I’ll leave the doves alone….but if we start starving in a few months….They’ll be food. The yellow and brown warblers and bushtits are a different story. The penalty for shooting those will be hard labor by helping me tote my stuff to and from the waterfront. Those are insect eaters and they’re part of our biological pest control for the gardens. We need to keep enough predators around to kill agricultural pests and that means certain birds, robber flies, ladybugs, lacewings, spiders, parasitoid wasps etc..been doing this for years and I get superb yields of perfect fruit and vegetables so I know it works. Feeding and developing the soil is the other half of the equation for healthy plants. It’s a forced move in the absence of petrochemical based bug-killers.

Got plenty of produce developing in the gardens but the fruit tree production has been voraciously consumed by everyone. There is enough to give everyone an orange and a few figs each day for the short time that those trees bear fruit. With the HAM guy, folks at the lake and storage facility and our own tract with refugees, we’re looking at 180 to 200 mouths to feed. We absolutely must plant the hell out of the place if we all want to make it past our second year.

There is an immense 60+ year old grapefruit tree in the area that produces obscene amounts of very sour fruit. We juice that and add sugar to make it more palatable. Also have some kids spread manure around the base and rake it into the top inch or two of soil. We raided the Home Depot garden section for bags of potting soil, amendments and steer manure…when we run out well have to figure out how to compost our own poop with grass…I ain’t looking forward to that…oh well, at least we have teenagers who will no doubt do something that requires punishment and we can have that task waiting for them when they get caught.

Dug some flat gray primer out of an abandoned auto body shop and spray painted the kayak. Those Scupper Pros usually came in bright yellow and I needed something a lot less visible. I made a kayak dolly out of a couple of bicycle wheels and some tubing because toting 66 pounds by hands is just plain stupid on 1200 calories a day, even with two people. The sun shone enough to power the stick welder and I tacked together a frame and handles. There’s a berth far closer in what used to be the city of Wilmington where I can put in. It’s all slabs and charred rubble so there’s not a whole lot to keep people there. The park, more accessible waterfront and other areas with fresh surface water like the Gardena Willows or Dominguez channel are where the people are.

Found some dry bags for the thermal and NV and spare batteries. Took an M4 salvaged off a bad guy and a can that we machined when the sun was shining along with a stainless 1911 that had a threaded barrel bushing and screw-on can. I want to be able to do what I have to do with as much speed and silence as possible. My choice of dive lights were a couple of small AA powered Ikelites that had been laying around since the mid 90s. I also charged up my Halcyon Helios and hauled that along just in case It seems safe to use it. The bulkheads in the kayak were pretty loaded down so I took the kayak on one trip and the rest of the crap by bicycle on another. I only travelled on the moonless part of the night. Jeez it’s a lot of work just for a shore dive a couple –three miles away!

I made sure to test all the submersible lights and drybags in the deep end of a swimming pool first…it’s been a while since I was in the water last and you know how seals and o-rings can get cracked when they oxidize. Nothing failed in 6 feet of water. That’s the deepest I could find with all the evaporation and draw over the summer.

Also stuck the M4 in a plastic bag and experimented with it to try and figure out how to use it if the entire thing was sealed up. Couldn’t make it workable so I just taped a plastic bag around the barrel. Figure it’ll be water resistant to six inches..naw, not even that. I just hope the sunofabich don’t explode if I have to fire it while wet.

Putting in was a pain in the neck. Lowered the kayak and all the dive crap down to the water at high tide one night and then hauled my own butt down the wall with some static rope. It was a new moon so I had complete darkness for an ally. Paddled out in the early evening far from my entry spot to terminal island and found a concealed place to tie up where no one could see a strange boat except from one or two angles. Did a little diving along the pilings and found plenty of barnacles, a few limpets and snails and a few schools of small fish here and there. It’s calories and hard earned ones at that but it beats eating human flesh.. The place appeared deserted. Checked out the walls of the docks and a few boat hulls here and there…nothing but small stuff to eat.. A few pilings here and there hadn’t been cleaned and had some decent growths of mussels but mostly just tiny seaweeds and encrusting barnacles and the occasional Norrisia snail.

Hauled my arse up out of the water after about four hours and found a place to curl up and grab some shuteye. That cold water just drains the energy from you and being somewhat emaciated just makes it worse. This is late summer/early fall no less and that water ain’t gonna get any warmer than this. The ocean will not be kind to starving foragers when the winter storms kick up…that’s for damn sure.

Thermal and NV showed no signs of anything…except a single night heron sitting on a piling before silently taking off over the water. Mmmm. Dinner! I dared not chase it down tho…I was in a strange area and daylight hadn't yet arrived so I didn't really know my surroundings. No point announcing one's presence in the middle of the night with a burst from an M4.

Explored the docks at dawn. The heavy overcast had brought fog and dew overnight. The metal railings were dripping with condensation and the concrete was dark with moisture. Saw faint paw prints in the accumulated dust that had settled the day before and turned to the thinnest veneer of mud. Also saw what looked like scuffs from a shoe at intervals approximating a slow tired walk. Someone was here since the sun started peeking up. I moved downwind a bit to look for any boats and whatnot that hadn’t been maintained and so would have more edible marine life growing on their hulls. Figure this will be like when they sunk the Yukon off of San Diego….took a year or three before the place really came alive.

Terminal Island is really a big place to negotiate all on foot. For some reason, there was a lot of plastic sheeting draped over some odd makeshift frames everywhere. As I came back around I noticed that the paw prints had cut my earlier track….oh s**t! Its barely a third of the way through the day and I’m in someone else’s AO and there could be dozen crosshairs on me from any number of cranes, towers, buildings, ships, stacks of containers…..

Awwright frosty CalGunners, anyone get the drop on you yet?
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All the way out to week 14....I'm house building.

I figured to arrive at my BOL in 35 days or at the end of week 5. I expect my brother would arrive with his group at week 8. This will create a nice mutual aid group of 8. We're so far removed from society at this point we have to keep up a look out but seriously don't expect visitors where we are.

The hard part was not bringing power. Of course there would be no power and nothing with power that we had on site would work - right now we only have a few solar panels there to charge batteries with anyway; but we do have a solar oven and a wood grill. We have enough long term storage food items for ten people to eat 6 months with a few critter additions or a dear. The nearest "large" town is about 4,000 population and 65 miles away so I don't even think we'll be competing for deer.

As its mid October we wouldn't be planting now, but monitoring our garden growth and calculating the return on our earlier planting. I'd take gardening really serious when I first arrived at week five and try to get seeds going every day for at least 3 weeks. At this stage its water and keeping the rabbits away from the greenery.

We go to the base of the hills and remove the top soil the hard way, with shovels, and that gets us to a lower base of dirt with a good content of clay. Using 2x4's and plywood already on site at numerous "shelters" we've built over the years we can formulate some molds for large bricks. We can probably put together about 20 square feet of wall space a day. A week - 140 square feet would be an 8 foot high 12 foot long wall and then half another. Two weeks and we'd have a shelter that needs a roof, and that will be a little harder. We do have tarps there for temporary use.

So long as the garden grows we're fine. We're content with our lives there. I doubt we'd ever move until we saw a plane in the air or a vehicle drive down one of the distant roads.
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Week 15.

Need some more soda.
Drive to the store. Where is everyone??
Why is everyones car stuck in the road??
Well. Go home and have a steak.
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I was driving past your house....looked empty...figured it was abandoned so I went in. I took your steaks.

Sorry.
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Week 14... my wife still has the remote in hand, asking "why isn't the satellite TV working... I need to know what's happening on Jerseylisious!"
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Looks like I'm growing my beard out and living with the Amish... I'll fist pump to that
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Chaparral where you at?!?! If you're not going to update this you better be writing the book!
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I second this thought...
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Great scenario.

Now rework it so that you and your wife are guests at a wedding a 4 hour drive from home, and have taken her car with what is normally in it. The EMP happens at the wedding reception at 6pm that evening. You are wearing your suit and shiny shoes and the wife is wearing an evening dress and high heels. You have only what you normally carry to such occasions (i.e. your wallet, her purse, car kit, etc). Go.
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I'd have my Ham radios and everything in my grounded safe most of my electronics would be fine. No worries. I'd fix up my micro bike with its pullstart if my car died and take a vacation. I have a year and a half to run out of food.
I'd fix the model a Ford easy enough.

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Wow, a new drug that makes real zombies...

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Great scenario.

Now rework it so that you and your wife are guests at a wedding a 4 hour drive from home, and have taken her car with what is normally in it. The EMP happens at the wedding reception at 6pm that evening. You are wearing your suit and shiny shoes and the wife is wearing an evening dress and high heels. You have only what you normally carry to such occasions (i.e. your wallet, her purse, car kit, etc). Go.
Cr@p!

A four hour drive at 60MPH is 240 miles...from home. Or about a months journey on foot for the three of us...give or take a week. The GHB in our "other" vehicle is about 95% of what is in the primary.

On every road trip over 100 miles from home, I try to bring the INCH bag and would have a pistol and mags as a trip home is beyond what the GHB is built for. Given we normally drive an SUV, space and weight are not an issue with bringing the gear. Given that we are in the other vehicle which is a sports sedan...not so sure. We have never taken it that far once we picked up the SUV. If the SUV was down for maintenance the dealer would put us in a similar class of vehicle free of charge so not sure how realistic it might be for us not to be without the gear. Playing along though...

I would not do a four hour drive in my monkey suit so would have jeans, trail shoes, shirt and jacket (dependng on season) as would the rest of my family. Also, we would have stayed at a hotel given the distance and likelyhood of our child melting down if we kept them in the kid seat for eight hours in one day.

It would depend on a few things...
  • Were we at a friends house or some destination wedding none of us lived near?
  • Did I squeeze in the INCH or something pared down to fit in the trunk, if anything at all?
  • Where the location is: Is it remote and isolated or in the heart of a major city.
  • Time of year: what is the weather going to be like over the next six weeks...freezing or blazing hot
  • What is the terrain between us and the house: are we walking through the desert or over the mountains
All of these would come into play in whether we try to stay or make for home.
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Yeah, away from your home base would really stink. How many people keep a "go bag" in the car, much less an ammo and weapon? There's a point at which it turns from preparedness to where most people are going to think you're a crazy.

Not that I really care what most people think, but I might start to question myself, though on the face, it sounds mostly reasonable to be prepared away from home as well.
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A lot of people say stores will close but I was in a fry's electronics when they had no power. They store opened up there flashlights and walked customers to what they wanted. I even paid with my card. They stayed open the whole day.
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Arrrgh! This thread keeps clawing its way out of the rain soaked earth to come and eat my time!

Been slammed for work folks, dont even have enough time to shave and eat breakfast let alone keep this running
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Arrrgh! This thread keeps clawing its way out of the rain soaked earth to come and eat my time!

Been slammed for work folks, dont even have enough time to shave and eat breakfast let alone keep this running
LOL.

Take a rest Pop. Us kids will run the shop for awhile and you can check back in and tell us a story in a couple weeks

Figured you would take a break sooner or later. That was a lot of writing you were doing. Thanks BTW...the guys at work and I enjoyed it all.
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Arrrgh! This thread keeps clawing its way out of the rain soaked earth to come and eat my time!

Been slammed for work folks, dont even have enough time to shave and eat breakfast let alone keep this running
Quit being selfish and only thinking of yourself. Quit your job if you have too!

Didn't even consider a B.O.B tell reading your posts.
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Alright Chaparral, you have had plenty of time to get your work done. Now tell us who's dog that is?!
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First off, I've never see any real data on how widespread an EMP would affect things. The entire US, probably not. Also, I seriously think that older cars would continue to work just fine. So what if the wires saw a pulse of 100 V, that happens everytime the car's started.

Also, the whole EMP drama thing is suspect. I watched a video taken on Hawaii when they used to do high-altitude nuclear EMP testing. They'd set them off way up there and for effect, they had a transistor radio - yes, transistor - sitting on the beach in front of the camera. Sure enough, with the bright light the radio went off....... for about 20 seconds and then the stations came right back. What happened was that the EMP hit the AGC in the radio (automatic gain control) which dialed the sensitivity of the radio way down, then slowly crept it back up.

So....... I suspect a lot of this whole EMP thing is BS, a drama spun up in novels and such, and people see all sorts of things - like Jesus in toast - so I think a reality check is in order. Enough of "learning facts" from novels...
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I'm screwed. I'm not in Cali and my children are.

The first thing I would do is head for the gun store to get more ammo. I'm extremely low. Then head to the pawn shop in hopes of catching the owner before he took off. I would hope to get way to contact him so we could barter later or do it right then and there. Head home and get my bike and some cash out of the safe. Take 2 of the 3 empty propane tanks to the gas station to see if they will swap them.

I have enough food to last 3 mos, water to last 2 mos, (not including what I have set side for emergencies), good medical kit but not enough ammo.

I woudl barter away everything accept what I could carry to procure the resouces to get to my children. Hopefully, I would be on my old motorcycle and not on my mountain bike.

Interesting situation you posted. My safe is electronic. lol. I'm screwed.
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The first thing I would do is head for the gun store to get more ammo. I'm extremely low. Then head to the pawn shop in hopes of catching the owner before he took off. I would hope to get way to contact him so we could barter later or do it right then and there. Head home and get my bike and some cash out of the safe. Take 2 of the 3 empty propane tanks to the gas station to see if they will swap them.

I have enough food to last 3 mos, water to last 2 mos, (not including what I have set side for emergencies), good medical kit but not enough ammo.

I woudl barter away everything accept what I could carry to procure the resouces to get to my children. Hopefully, I would be on my old motorcycle and not on my mountain bike.

Interesting situation you posted. My safe is electronic. lol. I'm screwed.
Hey Onetyme, thanks for the post...couple of thoughts and questions....

Do you carry enough cash on you, or rather did you have enough cash on you last Saturday at 4PM (when the scenario was supposed to occur) to make these purchases without a credit card? If power is down, so are the credit card machines and ATMs. Even assuming these machines some how survived and were running on battery or gennie, the phone and internet would be down so no way for them to check in and authorize said transaction(s).

Also, how long would it take you to walk to these places (before you picked up your bike of course)? Do you think they would actually stay open if all the power is out and there is nothing on the radio and the phones were dead? I would think many of the employees would want to get home to take care of them and theirs.

I am assuming you are talking about the 20lb BBQ tanks here...Can you carry two or three propane tanks on your bike? While you might be able to rig a sling for the empty ones that weight around 18lbs-20lbs each, you think you could for same ones once they are full when they weigh ~34lbs-36lbs each?

Not trying to tear apart your plans here, just wanted to point out some considerations for you and others to think about.

Lets say you were to walk to the gun shop, you had cash to buy or barter for some ammo and other things, you got a pack or something to carry it all home in?

I carry some $50's and $100's in my wallet for such a situation. I haven't touched them in 5 years and frequently forget they are there. Also keep a good amount of ready "working" cash. I treat the cash in my wallet like I do my vehicles gas tank, never let it get below half.

As for the propane, I bought an extra 20lb tank every couple of months. until I had enough to run my grill for a few months. Once I mod my gennie (Honda EU2000) to run off of propane, I will either pickup a larger tank or buy more propane tanks for it.

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Too each their own. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
And to you for snipping out much of my post. Until we learn about what actually happens in such an event - the attention this is getting is based upon rumor and novels. People are assuming it'll effect the entire U.S., but based upon what data?

I'm all for being prepared for extended blackouts, but that'll be FAR more likely a result of an earthquake than an actual EMP attack. And for the truely paranoid, just throw a Faraday shield over your safe - problem solved.

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First off, I've never see any real data on how widespread an EMP would affect things. The entire US, probably not. Also, I seriously think that older cars would continue to work just fine. So what if the wires saw a pulse of 100 V, that happens everytime the car's started.

Also, the whole EMP drama thing is suspect. I watched a video taken on Hawaii when they used to do high-altitude nuclear EMP testing. They'd set them off way up there and for effect, they had a transistor radio - yes, transistor - sitting on the beach in front of the camera. Sure enough, with the bright light the radio went off....... for about 20 seconds and then the stations came right back. What happened was that the EMP hit the AGC in the radio (automatic gain control) which dialed the sensitivity of the radio way down, then slowly crept it back up.

So....... I suspect a lot of this whole EMP thing is BS, a drama spun up in novels and such, and people see all sorts of things - like Jesus in toast - so I think a reality check is in order. Enough of "learning facts" from novels...
Look up the solar flare of the 1800's. I think it was 1859?
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Look up the solar flare of the 1800's. I think it was 1859?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_storm_of_1859
Yup. Not sure how much that has to do with us today though. Back then they had exactly zero knowledge of induced voltages on long-distant lines, so the effects were not a surprise. Today, while we have more sensitive equipment, our knowledge is much better. Back then they had zero over-voltage clamping deviced like now, so it's unknown how such an event would impact things today.

So many people love to get all dramatic about this stuff, yet no one bothers to dig into it to really understand it. In fact, that sort of person is dismissed as "not getting it" while the opposite is actually true. But like always, it's easy to make predictions because eventually - through random chance - they'll be right, then they can say, "See!?" without every having to have learned what they were talking about. Ugh.
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We are talking about weapon effects afterall which is generally classified. I would assume any Military machine that posses such a weapon would not want potential recievers of EMP love...to know how to minimize the affect of said love.

If you happen to know of a place online that has effects information of a current generation weaponized EMP against our current infrastrutcure, please share it. Until then here is the most recent official reports, estimates, etc on it.

Most recent official reports:
http://empcommission.org/

Questions I have seen asked with some wild responses are below. I have seen no "official" answer anywhere. Lots of opinions though...

Will your _______ die?

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-lithium batteries
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Week 15 since the electricity died:

Found an empty cargo ship to hole up in and avoid detection. There didn’t appear to be signs of any recent activity and the interior was a maze of corridors which offered a good hiding place. The thick layer of dust and salt that lay undisturbed on the deck and stairtreads told me that no one had been here for a while. I climbed to the bridge and glassed the area around the docks and noticed all sorts of windowpanes, sheetmetal, plastic sheeting etc was leaning or draped everywhere. It looked like people were here and they were catching the morning condensate for water. The fog can come in pretty thick at times and a lot of fresh drinkable water can be had I guess. Saw what looked like metal rain gutters at the bottom of the glass panes sitting atop bricks, blocks of wood etc. Looks like folks are collecting the water and directing it to storage containers. Also saw some greenhouse structures with plants in them. Figured I’d wait till afternoon when the wind kicked up to go grab some more grub. The windchop would make me less visible on the water and the sloshing waves would camoflauge the noise I might make.

Scraped a few more snails off the underside of the ship and surfaced away from the kayak. Had planned on surfacing behind the kayak and to the west of the nearest docks and swim quietly towards it with the sun setting behind the Palos Verdes Peninsula behind my back. Its hard to see far when one’s eyes are one inch above the waterline but I could make out a person on the sunlit dock and hear a large authoritative dog barking. The water was a little too still so I couldn’t hide in the chop and a voice called out and the figure on the dock motioned to me to come over. Someone had been watching the strange gray Scupper Pro bobbing in the waves and I’d been made.

The fellow with the dog was a LA Sherrifs Dept K9 handler and he’d fled to the docks with his three German Shepards minutes after the survivors he had holed up with had voted to eat them. The dogs were thin, but not emaciated. He’d been watching me for a while and figured I was harmless enough. The folks who lived with him on the docks were reasonably well armed and holed up in very defensible positions. It was an area where one could actually put one of those Barretts to good use given the large distances over which you could see someone coming. There were only a few ways to get onto Terminal Island without getting wet and most of the riffraff that populated LA didn’t even know how to swim, let alone pilot a boat under fire. Any vessel that could make it out away from the docks had done so and several hundred yards of water made for a very secure moat.

K9 dude as I now call him had a pretty rough go of it. The power went off while he was on duty in the unincorporated areas near south Los Angeles. The majority of LEOs stayed on duty until the third and fourth days when everyone came to terms with the notion that this curious power outage wasn’t gonna end soon and it wasn’t gonna end well. By then the stores were empty and had started to burn. He said that folks were agreeable at first and only began turning feral after the three day mark when they started running out of food. To be sure, the criminal element was out that very first night making mischief and gangs of youths started roaming the streets raping and killing by the second day but the town had really gone bad by the following Thursday. Anyone with a badge and uniform was gunned down by every common criminal out on parole who wanted to settle a score. It didn’t take long for bad men to realize that helicopters and backup wouldn’t be arriving. Mothers were running around in abject terror as they realized they had no food for their children and stranded workers became desperate to get to their homes in the far flung suburbs. K9 dude had stayed on duty until the end of the third day when it was no longer tenable. He made it home on foot with a couple of the service dogs and collected his other two breeding *****es along with his teenage daughters. His dogs were top quality from lines about as free of hip and elbow dysplasia as that breed could be and he wasn’t about to sacrifice them. He had tried to make it to a friend’s boat but they had already pulled anchor and sailed so he holed up with some miscellaneous LEOS, government employees and other survivors in downtown Long Beach.

The folks at the Long Beach civic center had some stores of food, were well armed and had strong concrete highrises for defensibility but the human throngs were just too much. The centers of authority were the first place the sheep went to riot when they turned feral and it had turned into a full scale shooting war with Molotov cocktails, vehicles ramming and snipers in nearby tall buildings inflicting casualties. When a populace used to suckling off the government teat could no longer get the milk they depended upon, they turned savagely upon the institutions of authority. Even school teachers and nurses were dragged out of some buildings and beaten to death for no other reason than they couldn’t render aid to the mothers with hungry children.
Well, as the first week dragged into the second, provisions ran out and the heavily armed personnel holed up in the high rises had to make decisions. His dogs got the short end of the stick so on the way out of the meeting he set a few smoke cannisters in the hallway and made his exit. He was smart enough to figure out who would get voted for dinner and when, so he had a contingency plan ready to go. His daughters having more wits than average teenagers, had already grabbed his saltwater fishing tackle and the remnants of the family ran the few short blocks along Ocean Blvd, up over the Gerald Desmond Bridge and then seaward to Terminal Island where terrified refugees were just beginning to arrive in numbers. It was a smart move, because in a couple of bulk freighters there were shipments from the midwest of corn, wheat and soybeans that were headed to China. Even if the sea was stingy, the ships were generous and nearly a thousand survived although fresh water was the limiting factor. Newcomers were not welcome however and loose lips were punished severely. K9 dude knew I was a recent arrival because I was one of the few plying the water for sustenance instead of living off the bulk grain.

The useless eaters met a bad fate. In front of every burnt out and shot up city hall, courthouse, school, hospital, federal building and social services agency, there were rotting piles of bones of grandparents and mothers and children who knew nothing in life but the government checks they received at the end of each month. Some quietly holed up and died en masse in their churches: their prayers and hymms growing fainter and fainter as the last ones succumbed to disease and dehydration. Others tried their luck at foraging or taking things by force. Still others left their remains strewn for miles on the highways leading over the mountains or along the coast. Their sons, knowing only fanciful moves of thumbs and fingers on game controllers either died a whimpering death with them or met a more violent conclusion while out foraging. Now in the sprawling concrete and asphalt slums where they used to live, the odd lemon tree here and there was blossoming and bees visited.

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Well it’s been a rough fall but at least the rains look promising. We’ve gotten some decent enough garden production from all the lawns we tore up and planted but the soil still has a long way to develop before we can feed everybody. Since we have the fruit trees that produce lots of citrus, avocado, figs and apples, we opened up a trade route to Terminal Island where we exchange fresh fruit for some of the bulk grains on the ships. Those folks who found the bulk grain shipments ain’t the sharpest knives in the drawer but they know that they’d better have another way of making a living once their largesse runs out. A lot of them were dockworkers and clerks and their families and friends of friends who just happened to be in the right place at the right time. No prepping or any effort to watch the course of the world and plan ahead had any impact on their present situation: it was just dumb luck that they survived. Needless to say, natural selection was a little thwarted with some of them but I guess we’ll always need the lower end of the bell curve for the least desirable tasks.

Our rainwater collection has been an even better success. One lousy inch of rain collected off of paved streets and rooftops has filled all of our makeshift impounds to overflowing. The mosquito fish I collected are reproducing at their usual rate and as spring gives way to the dry summers, we’ll stock them in the impounds for mosquito control. The aquaculture guy has his perches and cichlids breeding and we’ll stock those in the larger deeper pools.

Was outside at night doing my part for surveillance when I saw a faint rectangle dancing around through my NOD. There was an occupied house with a balcony above me and the rectangle was just dancing around this object and then jumped jerkily to other prominent landmarks. It was smaller and brighter on the house but as it flitted to farther landmarks, its size increased and it got dimmer. I radioed what I saw and we got another observer to sort of triangulate where the source of that light might be. One of the folks in the occupied house peeked through a hole in the wall with their NV and pinpointed the source: it was coming from a pile of rubble about a half mile away. I went and grabbed a FAL that had an old, heavy PVS-4 and started moving to flank the position of the light source. My food intake ain’t been so good and that damn FAL and NV scope weighed a ton! Felt like trading it for a sack of grain..figured the folks on the boats could always use extra ballast… I didn’t have the energy to run so I just walked at a normal pace and by the time I got there the dancing rectangle had disappeared. Well, it’s one thing to outrun me but it’s quite another to outrun Motorola, or in this case, Kraco, Uniden, RadioShack and Zenith…and whatever other radios we had scrounged up.

About 80 of us: men, women, teenagers… mustered and we surrounded the area of the light source and sent in the beagle. She found her target and started her usual canine drama queen baying. Whoever was in there was kind enough to fire a round at her and miss because it gave us unambiguous cassus belli and we lit them up. The night’s kill was about 600 pounds worth of a half dozen, half-starved thieves who were too stupid to realize that traditional 2nd and 3rd generation NV can easily pick up the wavelengths of commonly available laser rangefinders. Their corpses were promptly butchered and I was able to bring some onions, potatoes and chard to the Thanksgiving feast. Them handloaded .308 softpoints sure tore up the meat tho…
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Their corpses were promptly butchered and I was able to bring some onions, potatoes and chard to the Thanksgiving feast. Them handloaded .308 softpoints sure tore up the meat tho…

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Yeah, all kidding aside it seems to have headed off into a male fantasy where it's an I-pretend-that-I'm-a-bad-***-scenario, but once it comes to eating people, it's not anywhere I want to be.
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