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Old 10-29-2017, 8:31 PM
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Well folks this is my dilemma. A water main pipe broke in front of our house (again). Last break was two years ago. We live in a mobile home park. Pipe fixed, water turned on, BANG!! Old pipe bursts again about 3 feet from repair. Well that is not what I want to talk about. What I want to express here is the need to flush toilets with buckets of water. Water and buckets being of main importance. I had three 5-gallon buckets in the shower, with a one-gallon bucket to pour into the toilets. Well, not all toilets are created equal. We have a low flush 1.2-gallon toilet. One heavy pouring of the bucket did not get a full flush of urine down the drain. Never mind the solid stuff, it needed more water. Plus all the buckets dripping water on the floor from an 8 year old kid, a disabled adult and a 67 year old mother.

I would suggest to all calgunner's to take a practice test on how much water it takes to flush your particular toilet of liquid and solids. Plan accordingly. This doesn’t even include drinking water or “clean enough” water for washing dishes, etc.
Also account for how are your family members are going to move outside water to inside your home. It’s been hot here lately, but what if it was raining, cold winter, snow, mud etc. Also, a BIG importance was having enough buckets on hand and having them clean before the water goes out. I have a local sandwich shop that resells the pickle buckets for $1.50. Beats having to go to Home Depot/Lowes and pay more, plus wait in line with your neighbors! Buy a stack and cover them with a compactor bag to keep them clean. Some sort of siphon system would work great. I need to build a water collector system with a durable bladder type spout to collect running water from the street. Thousands of gallons of water down the drain that I could have collected for myself and neighbors.
What did work- filling the actual toilet water tank at least half-full and flushing it WHILE pouring the one-gallon water down the toilet helped a lot with flushing the solids. The bad for us is we have a towel rack directly above the water tank. So it gets in the way of pouring water and results in spilled water all over the floor. A plus was to put a towel in the tub edge and wipe the bottom of the bucket before pouring. Less dripping.
Although this is a pain to deal with and not a SHTF situation, finally the family gets it when I mean to be prepared. A small inconvenience has woke them up.
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Could you just take the lid off the tank, fill with water from bucket, then flush normally?

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Never flush pee in your situation IMO.

Use that liquid to keep the bowl full. Then fill your low flush tanks and let thier efficiency work.
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If it's yellow, it's mellow. If it's brown, flush it down.

And hook up a hose from your neighbor's supply to keep you going.
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Never flush pee in your situation IMO.

Use that liquid to keep the bowl full. Then fill your low flush tanks and let thier efficiency work.
This.

It's easy enough to clean the bowl when service is restored.
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Old 10-29-2017, 10:30 PM
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OP, get a "coal hod bucket". Great for pouring liquids accurately.

http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...CABEgJ3EfD_BwE

If you have a shut off valve on the main line coming into structure. Shut it off, then hook up a hose to a neighbors house attached to any hose bib outside.

If not, install one. Not hard to DIY for a few bucks.
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Already been said, but I will say it in a slightly different way. Do not pour the water directly in to the bowl. Take the tank lid off and pour the water in to the tank until it reaches the overflow tube. THEN use the flush handle in the normal way. And as everyone has said, liquid waste stays and solid waste goes.
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Never flush pee in your situation IMO.

Use that liquid to keep the bowl full. Then fill your low flush tanks and let thier efficiency work.
Gross, that's the dog's water bowl. No wonder your dog wants to eat you.
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Another tip. Well at least for my situation with my family is the need of one gallon containers and wide tube funnels. I was suppossed to be gone on vacation for two weeks and my family would have had to deal with this on their own. Wide mouth gallon containers are easier for them to refill the buckets instead of hauling a 5 gallon bucket around.

The Crystal Geyser/Smart and Final bottles work good for this. What works better are those Nestea tea bottles as they are much thicker and durable and have a handle. Another is a strong handled pot to heat water for a towel bath. Funny to hear my kid nephew using a cup to bathe with cold water!
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The last big drought in the 70’s, my grandmother used a bucket of dishwater to flush the toilet. After that drought was over she continues to use the bucket to flush the toilet to this day.
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Good exercise OP!

Figuring out a solution to an unexpected problem is good critical thinking.

In a prolonged shtf event there will be lots of on the job problem solving needed.

Thinking ahead is key.

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Could you just take the lid off the tank, fill with water from bucket, then flush normally?

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The low-flush toilets work by storing the pressurized water from pipe inlet, and releasing it in a more jet-like way to force the flush down. These kind of toilets need the incoming water pipe pressure. Without water pressure, the alternative flush method is to do like the OP did and pour the water directly into bowl, to less effectiveness. We have some low-flush toilets but luckily have one normal toilet where water can be poured into the tank.
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Old 10-30-2017, 10:07 AM
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Already been said, but I will say it in a slightly different way. Do not pour the water directly in to the bowl. Take the tank lid off and pour the water in to the tank until it reaches the overflow tube. THEN use the flush handle in the normal way. And as everyone has said, liquid waste stays and solid waste goes.
The low-flush toilets work differently - they need water pressure.

One cumbersome but alternative method to restore pressurized water to your house is to use a water pump/expansion tank/pressure switch combination and hook that up to any open spigot upstream of pump but downstream of street shutoff valve (which should be shut off if doing this). It could be an outside garden hose spigot. It is some expense and inconvenience to store something like that until you need it. We actually have a water pressure booster with expansion tank already installed because our standard incoming water pressure is low. I can hook up a source hose to a spigot upstream of the pump and pressurize all house water. If power goes out, I can power pump with generator.
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The workers were working until 2:00am last night and luckily only one part was needed for the repair. I over heard that from the last pipe breakage they overnight shipped some parts from out of state for $500! The workers came back at 8:00 am finished the job. Water is restored and plenty of bucket water for the trees.

I really hope from all the loss of water that we (the residents) don't have to pay extra rent to offset the water bill. Supposedly the owners were going to re-pipe the whole complex next year.
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They replaced the water pipes on our street two weeks ago. Last week they hooked it up. Plugged up water strainers on the faucets as well as a lot of air in the water system.
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Drink beer. Piss in toilet tank. Flush the solids down. Drink more beer. Piss some more.
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The low-flush toilets work differently - they need water pressure.
Not at all. I've got two 1.23 gallon toilets that flush conventionally.
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The low-flush toilets work differently - they need water pressure.
Those are "Pressure Assisted" toilets. Very efficient, also very expensive. Approx twice the price of a "gravity" flush unit.

They have a bladder tank enclosed in the upper tank. Much like a water well. But it releases all at once when you push the handle.
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Not at all. I've got two 1.23 gallon toilets that flush conventionally.
I presumed the OP doesn’t have a conventional type low volume flush toilet or he would have just put water into the rear tank.

OP, can you confirm?
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I presumed the OP doesn’t have a conventional type low volume flush toilet or he would have just put water into the rear tank.

OP, can you confirm?
He already did. Read the OP.

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What did work- filling the actual toilet water tank at least half-full and flushing it WHILE pouring the one-gallon water down the toilet helped a lot with flushing the solids.
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If you are paying for these repairs, you should replace the whole run with new copper. It's going to happen again if you don't, especially is it's galvanized.
As a heavy equipment operator for a major utility company, it would take me a few hours and $100.

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He already did. Read the OP.
Well that’s the confusing part that needs confirmation from OP. If he’s filling the rear tank half way AND pouring a gallon in bowl, why not just fill the rear tank completely and flush normally?
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Waste of water. Dig a whole and cover the poo with lye or white ashes or poop in a bag and dispose of later. Pee outside or in a bucket then dump outside.
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A funny thing happened when I needed a small bucket for washing hands in the 2nd bathroom. I went to the local thrift store and found a cheap bucket with a lid. Cool I thought, now I don't have to go to home depot. As I went to put it in the bathroom my mom asked what I was doing with that. I said it was for washing hands. She laughed and tossed it outside. Apparently it is a poop bucket for those chairs the handicapped and disabled use! Hey it looked clean to me!!
Just be aware of what you use to not cross contaminate your water supply.

As far as filling the tank, I can do it with a Nestea gallon just not a bucket because of the towel rack that is screwed into the wall.
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Shut off your "Main" to the house. Use a double female hose adapter to connect your houses garden hose outlet to your neighbors hose..DONE!

That was us a couple of years ago, Look me a couple of hours to conduct the repair.
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Glad I have also a composting toilet and an outhouse. Options!

Unless using back flow preventers a faucet is just an opening through which water can flow in or out.
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You don't actually need to 'flush' the toilet.

You can line the bowl with a 15-gallon trash bag (under the seat), and do your business.

Leave it for pee and when there's poo, take the bag, tie it off and dispose of it. Then replace with a new bag.

Easy Peasy.
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http://www.cleanwaste.com/ I use one when camping for #2 and as a backup if plumbing goes down /emergency use. No water required. Bags can be found cheap on eBay and they are rated landfill / trash can friendly.
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Been a few weeks but now the toilet is having a fit. Seems water is still flowing into the tank and the float is not stopping the flow of water. Will have to deal with it tomorrow. Maybe we need to consider a spare parts kit for our toilets that we rely on so much???!!

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Old 11-12-2017, 8:41 AM
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Any work on the lines stairs up particulates. You got some stuck in the valves. Take them apart, clear and replace. GTG.
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Flush? Im peeing in the yard....
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For what a toilet tank does... it shouldn't be hard to fabricate a 2 or 3 gallon DIY tank that's easy to fill manually. All of the plumbing magic is handled by the bits you insert in the tank, which just sits on the bowl.

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Ah, and the fun continues.

Looks like the managers decided to install a new water meter after the clusterfudge we had from the busted water pipes. A new water meter is to be installed on Tuesday, December 26th!!! We will possibly be without water from 8:00 to 5:00.

It's OK, its after the holidays, back to business right?
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I save my 1/2 gallon wide mouth laundry detegent jugs and keep full. I have a dozen in closet here and at my trailer at hunt club 4 5 gallon and a dozen half gallon full. Here at my condo we have waterfalls and streams and 2 3 acre ponds so lots of water.
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The apartment complex I lived in had water troubles a few times. Maintenance guy that worked there suggested using a bucket to get water from the fountain outside. That water had a few leaves and other stuff so I didn't want to pour it into my toilet tank. Pouring it into the bowl worked fine. It flushed at least as well as when the water worked. The key is you have to pour the water fast. Like in 1 or 2 seconds.
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I’ve found that doing this is actually the most effective way to clear “stuck” plumbing in low water usage toilets too... one big bucket poured fast and swoosh!
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