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Old 08-22-2017, 9:46 AM
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See these DIRE WARNINGS:

False Flag EMP!

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FEMA RUNNING EMP DRILL!

At some point, we can agree or was a false alarm? Nothing happened? Maybe FEMA isn't going to round us all up?

Not yesterday Not today



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Old 08-22-2017, 10:06 AM
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I get it.

You're trying to warn us all of an eminent false flag EMP attack,

but you're telling us in a code,
so not to let everyone who isn't a Calgun member know about it,


right?
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What did they do during katrina?

Take away guns
Round people up
Let starve and wallow in own filth

Maybe educate yourself instead of getting a bur in your saddle.

Heres a start.... google main core government list

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-new...l-law_06112013

Also if you thinks its ok for fedgov to usurp an elected president by having leftist socialists inside fbi, cia, nsa decrypt the president private phone calls to foreign leaders and leak to the press , you just dont get it. We are watching tyranny take place.

Heres comes the normalcy biased denial of facts in 3, 2, 1....

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EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the National Security Act of 1947 allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities. 1950 Defense Production Act gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy. Act of August 29, 1916 authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency. International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
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So what? A wall of cut and paste, fear mongering text of unknown origin.

Are you predicting an EMP attack or not?

Check back tomorrow!

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So here's the thing. I'm familiar with bureaucracy; it's the same the world over.

You're telling me to expect some sort of lightning-fast decapitation strike initiated by the same people who conduct a pro-forma pre-meeting to discuss the composition of the committee to conduct the pre-meeting for the meeting.

I mean sure, anything is possible, but some things are just very, very highly improbable.
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so our own military is going to detonate a nuke somewhere above the US to create an EMP so the civilian government can enact some kind of emergency martial law?

yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh riiiiiiiight...
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So what? A wall of cut and paste, fear mongering text of unknown origin.

Are you predicting an EMP attack or not?

Check back tomorrow!
A wall of eo,s with numbers and a post about fema during katrina.

Disprove all or any of those eo,s are not real

The problem with deniers is no fact is good enough.

You just dismiss a wall of eo facts with a wave of your hand.

If the fedgov isnt getting ready why all the eo,s removing constitutional freedoms?

Google the eo,s, if not true then post back. You wont!

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so our own military is going to detonate a nuke somewhere above the US to create an EMP so the civilian government can enact some kind of emergency martial law?

yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh riiiiiiiight...
I trust the mil, not the politicians and spy agencies.

Some say pearl harbor happened because the fedgov allowed it to happen.
They say the same thing about 911.
Benghazi embassy.
Fast n furious.

I dont think its our guys that want destruction i think its soros and the new world order freaks. They control many government leaders like obama, merkel etc.

Its also a fact that fema holds drills down the street from real events. Google it

Columbine
Newtown
911
Boston marathon.
Etc
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I wouldn't trust politicians or government employees further that I could spit into a hurricane.
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A wall of eo,s with numbers and a post about fema during katrina.

Disprove all or any of those eo,s are not real

The problem with deniers is no fact is good enough.

You just dismiss a wall of eo facts with a wave of your hand.

If the fedgov isnt getting ready why all the eo,s removing constitutional freedoms?

Google the eo,s, if not true then post back. You wont!
The first EOs on your list date back to 1962. JFK. Is he behind the FEMA EMP plot?

Which EO is the EMP one?

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so our own military is going to detonate a nuke somewhere above the US to create an EMP so the civilian government can enact some kind of emergency martial law?

yeeeeeeaaaaahhhh riiiiiiiight...
I think that's what he's saying, but he never quite explains himself. I'm not sure he knows. I think Alex Jones gets him all worked up, and then he spreads his incomplete fears here, never quite committing (or admitting) to anything.

Like the Boy who might be crying "Wolf" over and over and none too coherently, might I add.

I don't understand the point he is trying to make, and when asked, he just clams up, or posts up some other cut-and-paste red herring of paranoid misunderstanding.

Oh well, I guess I will have just have to take this one EMP- and FEMA-free day at a time.

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Your EOs go back to JFK, 55 years ago. The one I did look up, was rescinded 40 years ago. Where did you get that information from? It's nonsense.

You asked me to look one up, I did, and it was nonsense. What was your point?
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Your EOs go back to JFK, 55 years ago. The one I did look up, was rescinded 40 years ago. Where did you get that information from? It's nonsense.

You asked me to look one up, I did, and it was nonsense. What was your point?
Hey now........ Lets not cloud the issue with the facts !!!
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You only need to set off a few thousand nukes to EMP the US. Barely anything.
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People have short attention spans these days and also have a tendency to think if they hear of something being a potential problem, if the problem never materializes, they assume it was a bunch of BS from the get-go. They seldom stop to think it was because a lot of people worked very hard to keep that situation from getting out of hand.

Take Y2K for instance. If nothing had been done, it would have been a catastrophe. But people talked about the issue, made plans, hired an army of geeks who then spent the last few years of the 90's making it THEIR problem so it wouldn't become a MUCH BIGGER problem for everyone else on Jan 1, 2000. For the most part they were successful, but all the average person saw was the "wet firecracker" and not the countless late nights, cancelled vacations and enormous sums of money spent making sure it turned out that way.

There may or may not ever be an EMP event that affects the lives of millions of Americans... but the possibility of it is real enough that it gets talked about in great detail by our elected leaders and the scientific institutions they fund. It is real enough that people develop weapons specifically designed for that purpose.

To me, that makes the possibility of one happening someday real enough that we should have enough of a contingency for it so we have some options depending on the severity and scope of events as they unfold. At least buy some time to weigh the situation and be able to make some choices instead of just sitting down and waiting to be rescued or just die waiting.

I'm not about to quit my job and go live in a cave in the hills on a diet of mushrooms and berries because it MIGHT happen. Life is for living and that doesn't sound like much of a life. But I do have a few preps and plans in place so that if it does, we'll be a little more comfortable and have better odds than if we just stuck our heads in the sand and pretended it could never be a problem. Not really sure what point OP is trying to make but it sounds like he's trying to convince himself to shrug it off and came here looking for others to reinforce that POV. Eh, to each his own I suppose. 7f the big bad wolf had never showed up the pig in the brick house might have taken some ribbing from his bro in the straw hut, I get it. Still doesn't make brick housing a bad idea... I'd rather have one kind of problem than the other.
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You only need to set off a few thousand nukes to EMP the US. Barely anything.
I have read all the actual studies by people at Lawrence-Livermore, Sandia Labs and Los Alamos and from your comment it's apparent you haven't. I'm not asking you to take my word, why should you? The info is available in black and white if you care to go look for yourself... but again, most people these days can hardly get through a sound byte before losing interest, let alone read a legal brief on a gun rights case or a scientific study citing real results based on knowledge and experimental experience. To them a few coherent sentences strung together to make a point is "a wall" they can't muster the concentration or interest to get through. I find that terribly disheartening that people really don't want to understand things at more than a superficial level.

As far as the whole "false flag" aspect... who knows. We know that false flag operation plans get drawn up and then used if/when situations develop that make using them sound like a good idea to whoever is calling the plays. To EMP the US that would have to be some heavy motivation and it's difficult to imagine things coming to that kind of a crossroads... but I also don't doubt that ther are plans in a drawer somewhere drawn up by the Rand Corporation or other top secret think-tank, because they get paid to work out every possible situation.... not just the ones that are most likely.

I think it is naive to think that everyone in "government" is on the same page about everything and all are "in the loop". There is a lot of compartmentalization for national security... that makes most of what the individual groups do "a conspiracy" because they are up to things only a select few know about... usually with good reason and for reasons that would be approved by the public if the info were not secret for NatSec reasons... but on occasion this same compartmentalization leads to things happening that they'd better pray never see the light of day.

But I think in the over-all scheme of things it is much more likely to see a threat from an external actor. For instance KJU could over-play his hand and set off an emp over Guam or Hawaii as a "warning" and them maybe the west coast. That would be a dumb move but dictators live in an echo chamber where their own ideas are validated/uncontested and this becomes an incubator for dumb moves... witness Hitler attacking Russia, opening a second front with an implaccable foe... dumb move. Iran is also a potential player. Much more likely a global adversary like Russia could pull off a FF op, blaming NK while snickering up their sleeve. The problem is once you start playing with that kind of fire, you never know where it is going to end and the stakes are too high in the modern nuclear age for that kind of gamble by those with something to lose. Bringing us back to NK who has very little to lose and less all the time as sanctions tighten. So we wait... and see.

While I am waiting to see I am taking some moderate actions that seem prudent so that if a situation develops quickly I am not caught flat-footed. Nothing extreme, just making a few choices, investing a bit of time, energy and wherewithall in a bit of peace-of-mind. I can't know what the leaders of ghe world are thinking, and even less can I control the decisions they make for good or ill. But I can do a few small things that give me a few more options than the average bloke if things get nasty some dark day.
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Look, Ma! No EMP!

One more day!
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There may or may not ever be an EMP event that affects the lives of millions of Americans... but the possibility of it is real enough that it gets talked about in great detail by our elected leaders and the scientific institutions they fund. It is real enough that people develop weapons specifically designed for that purpose.

* * *

Not really sure what point OP is trying to make but it sounds like he's trying to convince himself to shrug it off and came here looking for others to reinforce that POV.
We all know that there are EMP weapons, and nuclear weapons with incidental EMP effects. Nobody doubts they exist, and they work.

That's not the point.

The point is that there are one or two posters here who keep warning of impending EMP doom, often by the hand of FEMA and FEDGOV, but they never follow through on their predictions. A half-baked hit and run, based on sites like INFOWARS (Sandy Hook was fake!), and so on.

But when the FEMA exercise turns out not to be a pretext for gun confiscation, the poster never admits the mistake. Instead, a wall of text post of executive orders dating back half a century is put up as justification. When those orders are found to be 50 years old, rescinded, and more, the poster just tunes in to a new conspiracy site and gets all worked up for the next post.

It gets old. There are stories about such people dating back centuries. Chicken little, the boy who cried wolf, etc.

No FEMA EMP a year ago, a month ago, a week ago, yesterday, or today.

There will be none tomorrow.
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Why complain about a post you feel anoyed about?
There's a time honored tradition of practicing indifference with regard to other people's opinions.

Why not post the Federal Register link regarding EO's and educate? https://www.archives.gov/federal-reg...rs/disposition

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I suppose it must be the curiosity in me. I have been trying to understand the purpose of the FEMA EMP FLASE FLAG FEDGOV posts, and I have tried diligently within those posts, to no avail.

I am taking a different approach.

By establishing a list of disasterless days following a FEMA FEDGOV EMP FALSE FLAG DRILL post or two, I might be able to establish to the betterment of our community that the sky is not falling, there is no wolf, and INFOWARS is not a credible source for information.

ETA: posting a link to the Federal Register site for EOs would do no good. Because THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT YOU TO BELIEVE or some crap like that. A wall of text was posted without having been researched even cursorily; ironically it was an invitation for others to 'see if the EOs were real.' Ok so the first one I looked up was 55 years old and was rescinded. Others were just as old, some of them were rescinded too.

I have done my part to educate. One can lead people to facts, but one cannot make them think.

So I want to know: what about the past FALSE FLAG FED FEMAGOV EMP predictions? What good were they, except to sell survival fantasy novels?

I want to know what happened. Perhaps it will be a learning experience for us all.

What we do know is that there was no EMP event today, either.

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I think I understand your point GBA.
There are and have been lots of incorrect info sites out there regarding imminent danger scenarios. Click bait advertising circle jerks.
Smoke and mirrors sites that require research and triangulation on our part to get to some of the truth. Easier to do since Al Gore's internet invention thingy.
Sometimes what we find down the rabbit hole is just another rabbit hole.

I have some friends that do the conspiracy theory thing around the camp fire while we do our part in killing a bottle of JB. I enjoy the discussions.

There's one guy that tells his current danger du jour story with such conviction that the fear sounds real.
We always listen to him. He's no idiot in other areas so we listen.
He's been mostly wrong. Remember Jade Helm? Yeah we roasted him about that one after there was no dangerous round ups/murders/confiscations etc.. He lost a bottle of JB on that one.

We all should use our brain filter to distinguish scat from Shinola and respond according to our own conscious/beliefs/logic.

I always give an ear the "SIF" people to get their take on the world at large and what they're thinking. They may also me brilliant at some other skill that I may find useful in future.

Anyway, I prep as a lifestyle and not because of a danger du jour. It's not a hobby or a apocalyptic viewpoint that requires the BB&B mantra. There are lots of us on this sub forum.

Carry on.
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Predictors gonna predict.

Most should take a lesson from all the Rapture predictors. Not one of them has ever been right. The weatherman, even with radar and satellites and computer models misses by a little (sometimes by a lot) with frequency.

There's a difference in urging readiness for something that is a plausible occurrence someday... vs out-and-out calling out a date az if we were all going to ditch work, pack a bug-out-bag and head for the hills at dawn that day.

Still it is odd how many "black swan" events have coincided with drills and simulations of some sort... that's the kind of thjng that's going to make tbinking people scratch their heads and conspiracy buffs go ape. Maybe just coincidence but the human mind likez to try to recognize patterns and draw correlations... always has, always will.
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Well-said, FF.

My philosophy is this - disaster (or conspiracy or whatever) could happen at any time, even without any predictions, and the overwhelming majority of predictions are wrong. So I just do my best to stay prepared, and I don't concern myself with specific predictions or conspiracy theories.

I did nothing different than I do every other day on 12/21/2012, or trump's election night, or this years eclipse, or any other time when people were saying S might HTF.

Worry about the things you can change, not the things you cannot. All I can do is be prepared for anything as best as I can; I cannot accurately predict when or what or how it might happen, and seemingly neither can anyone else, so I don't concern myself with it.
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I think I understand your point GBA.
There are and have been lots of incorrect info sites out there regarding imminent danger scenarios. Click bait advertising circle jerks.
Smoke and mirrors sites that require research and triangulation on our part to get to some of the truth. Easier to do since Al Gore's internet invention thingy.
Sometimes what we find down the rabbit hole is just another rabbit hole.

I have some friends that do the conspiracy theory thing around the camp fire while we do our part in killing a bottle of JB. I enjoy the discussions.

There's one guy that tells his current danger du jour story with such conviction that the fear sounds real.
We always listen to him. He's no idiot in other areas so we listen.
He's been mostly wrong. Remember Jade Helm? Yeah we roasted him about that one after there was no dangerous round ups/murders/confiscations etc.. He lost a bottle of JB on that one.

We all should use our brain filter to distinguish scat from Shinola and respond according to our own conscious/beliefs/logic.

I always give an ear the "SIF" people to get their take on the world at large and what they're thinking. They may also me brilliant at some other skill that I may find useful in future.

Anyway, I prep as a lifestyle and not because of a danger du jour. It's not a hobby or a apocalyptic viewpoint that requires the BB&B mantra. There are lots of us on this sub forum.

Carry on.
Great post. I follow a lot of "conspiracy" news and realize 80-90 % of it is probably bunk but here's the thing... mainstream news is not much better. This is how the human mind works... it assembles an incomplete set of facts, then tries to daisy-chain them together into a "story" thst makes some kind of sense... with any missing bits filled in with frog dna (Jurrasic Pk re there). Of course "sense" is going to depend on the story weavers perspective and it's hoing yo slant that way accordingly.

Show a group of people a field of random dots and ask them to "connect the dots" into a picture. Not too many of them will come up with the same picture. Then one of them starts telling the others they are "wrong" LOL because he's convinced it's a pic of a unicorn not a girraffe. The "truth" is likely that only half those dots are actually somehow related and those, not in the same way/order most of them thought.

Listening to stories based on the same core set of facts but different batches of frog dna filling in yhe missing bits is a fascinating excrcise in breaking out of your own assumption bias bubble. Makes you think instead of just taking the syorytellers at face value and come up with your own version of the story... one that makes sense to YOU.
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This is how the human mind works... it assembles an incomplete set of facts, then tries to daisy-chain them together into a "story" thst makes some kind of sense... with any missing bits filled in with frog dna (Jurrasic Pk re there).
Another thing to consider is that it can cause our bodies to spontaneously switch gender
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Still it is odd how many "black swan" events have coincided with drills and simulations of some sort... that's the kind of thjng that's going to make tbinking people scratch their heads and conspiracy buffs go ape. Maybe just coincidence but the human mind likez to try to recognize patterns and draw correlations... always has, always will.
Yes but we're supposed to learn from or mistakes, and not cry wolf. And we should be able to answer a question about any tripe we toss out as fact.
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Another thing to consider is that it can cause our bodies to spontaneously switch gender
What FEMA is really after is not our guns (like when the so-called "Katrina" FEMA exercise got out-of-hand); the REAL FEDGOV FEMA FLAG EMP plot is to put us all in UNISEX TRANS-BATHROOMS.
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GBA, I think you just got to let certain posts from certain people go. Reason being is they aren't going to change their perspective so disagreeing/'debating'/arguing doesn't get anywhere except raise your own blood pressure. I get it, I'm all about calling out BS as I see it also, but sometimes you gotta say your peace and laugh at the rest.

Something I learned about people who are ingrained in a certain world view, is it's almost impossible to debate them because you can't discuss a legitimate debatable point without having made some pre-made assumption of truth. Take this question for example:

"If men get 72 virgins when they go to paradise, why does a woman only get 1 man? Shouldn't women get 72 virgins also?"

Totally legitimate point to debate, but means nothing if you don't believe you get virgins when you die because you're not muslim. There is no moving forward. If you were to tell a muslim who believes this he's wrong, a heated argument often going no where will ensue because it's challenging a basic pillar of his world view. People don't like the basis of their world view challenged because it makes them doubt fundamental things they thought they knew, and that could change everything and damage the ego. BTW, I'm not picking on muslims, just using it as an example.

As it relates to the spectrum of preppers... I think the group here is wide ranging from the more causal "I'm prepping for a 5 hour power outage" all the way to "off-grid missile silo bunker" folks. We got to respect where people lie on this spectrum and why they are where they are. I think everyone knows this but just want to point out again.

I view all events on a risk-matrix. On one axis is consequence, the other is likelihood. Tripping on your kids toy would be a high-likelihood / low-consequence SHTF event. While the consequence is low, combined with the high likelihood it makes it something most people would take action on - we look where we walk and put away toys so it doesn't happen. At the other end, aliens invading earth and enslaving all humans is an ultra-low-likelihood / ultra-high-consequence event that together most people don't care about because the likelihood is way too low and we can't do anything about it anyway. Something in the middle might be a magnitude 7+ earthquake. What we consider "low" and "high" likelihood/consequence is where most of the prepper debates exist.

The false flag EMP event or example... I (and I think most people) view this as a low-likelihood / medium-consequence event, that combined most people aren't specifically taking action for. I think it's fair to say that uparmor views that event as a medium-likelihood / high-consequence event, and as such believes it's a legitimate threat event. The debate hinges on what we assess the likelihood / consequence is, as we all have different opinions. Uparmor's world view is there is a new world order scheme at work and as such, the likelihood of a false flag EMP event is not that far fetched. But, if you don't share that world view, the event doesn't make any sense. Now it's a debate on world view and things don't get very far for reasons I pointed out above.

In any case, my approach in those situations has been to point out the inaccuracies (as I believe them to be anyway), say my peace, and move on. Any further engagement is for entertainment value only.

If we all keep an open mind and keep things civil, I think the debates are constructive if not entertaining.
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I'm going to be really annoyed if it doesn't happen after going through this thread.
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EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."

FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the National Security Act of 1947 allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916 authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency. International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
Sorry but I just couldn't keep looking at that obnoxious wall of text. A little formatting goes a long ways. You're welcome.

Also, since you clearly copy/pasted this from somewhere, you need to cite where you copied it from so people can determine its validity on their own rather than just taking your word for it.

If you bothered to read those Executive Orders you cited, you'd see that they don't really say what you (and whoever wrote what you copied/pasted) think they say. Mostly, they say the opposite.

Take 10999, for example:

You say it allows the government to take over food production.

What it actually says is that "The Secretary of Commerce shall prepare national emergency plans and develop preparedness programs covering the production and distribution of all materials, the use of all production facilities, the control of all construction materials, and the furnishing of basic industrial services except (among other things) production, processing, distribution and storage of food resources and the use of food resource facilities for such production, processing, distribution, and storage."

So not only does it not say ANYTHING about the government taking over ANYTHING, but it specifically even says not to include food resources in the report that he asked the Secretary to prepare. It is merely an EO asking the Secretary to prepare a resources allocation plan for disasters, for things like highway maintenance and railroad repairs. You've completely butchered the content of those executive orders to fit you narrative.

A little research into what Executive orders are, and can do, would do you a world of good, and your scalp might even feel better when you remove the foil hat afterwards.
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Ruh Roh Raggy,

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
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Ruh Roh Raggy,

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
Ya that's exactly what the text of it says
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Ruh Roh Raggy,

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

SEC. 2. Functions. The Secretary shall:

(a) Civilian manpower mobilization. Develop plans and issue guidance designed to utilize to the maximum extent civilian manpower resources,
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...Uparmor's world view is there is a new world order scheme at work and as such, the likelihood of a false flag EMP event is not that far fetched. But, if you don't share that world view, the event doesn't make any sense. Now it's a debate on world view and things don't get very far for reasons I pointed out above.
I appreciate your post, but respectfully disagree.

"The Earth is Flat" is not a world view.

The idea that Pearl Harbor and 9/11 and Sandy Hook were inside jobs is asinine enough to demand proof. When that proof is demanded, out come the red herrings and the accusations but never responsibility for the accusation.

I truly believe he believes what he hears on INFOWARS, reads in his fantasy FEMA FEDGOV EMP books, and he sincerely believes what he writes.

So I am reminding him of his gullibility with this thread. It's 19:00 hours, and no BLACK SWANS have started any FEMA FEDGOV KATRINA CAMPS.

I bet tomorrow is no different.
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I still think most of these discussions about an EMP blast overlook the elephant in the room: If nukes start popping off overhead, I think everyone is going to have greater concerns than their broken tech gadgets and the power being out. Even if vehicle electronics are killed, who cares since roadways would most likely be jammed up anyway? Maybe it's just me, but the nuclear weapons going off would trump all else.
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SEC. 2. Functions. The Secretary shall:

(a) Civilian manpower mobilization. Develop plans and issue guidance designed to utilize to the maximum extent civilian manpower resources,
Oh well there you have it, undeniable proof that we are all going to be enslaved

now how about you read the rest of it, like the part that says "*Nothing in this order shall be construed as conferring authority under Title III of the Federal Civil Defense Act of 1950, as amended, or otherwise, to put into effect any emergency plan, procedure, policy, program or course of action prepared or developed pursuant to this order.*"
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