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Old 11-13-2017, 3:36 PM
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Default Colt LE6920-CA Issues (Brand new rifle) - Waiting to be resolved

Bought a brand new Colt LE6920-CA from RifleGear, picked it up on Friday. This is what my $1,100 rifle looks like:

-Aluminum overlap/flashing with razor sharp edges,
-Unevenly ground down stop scabs on the selector (Why are mine even ground down?),
-Lower filing off anodizing AND aluminum from the rear take down lug,
-Missing parts on the buttstock (Rear sling loop, swivel screw)

The absence of attention to detail suggests quality isn't a priority. Not deburring the sharp edges from the lower shows more than one person ignored it. It made it past the casting (apparently? no forge markings) person, the machining person, the coating person, then assembly person without being caught. I called Colt and the rep gave me his email to send pictures. Just waiting for a response now. I hope this is just a sour lemon and doesn't represent the current overall quality of Colt firearms.






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Old 11-13-2017, 3:45 PM
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This is typical colt, it's not a high end POF or LWRC, etc. Fit/finish is usually meh but they go bang every time. Just shoot it.

I'll admit through on the rear of the lower, the uneven aluminum, that's the first I've seen that one
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You must have never owned a Colt firearm before. I have owned them since the AWB in the 1990s and they have always been like that. They are a mid level firearm and always have been.

Let’s also be clear the so called LE versions are in all reality the SP versions now minus the LE only stamp from the 1990s.

LE/SP6920s run around $1099+ tax. LE/SP6940s are $1199+ tax.

Californians should check out Windam Firearms out of Maine. Quality is really good for half the price of the Colt. Customer service is awesome as well.
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That's Terrible! I wouldn't have excepted that.
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This is typical colt, it's not a high end POF or LWRC, etc. Fit/finish is usually meh but they go bang every time. Just shoot it.

I'll admit through on the rear of the lower, the uneven aluminum, that's the first I've seen that one
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Pretty ****ty, but I know for a fact they ask you to inspect the firearm to make sure you're happy with its condition before you sign it out.

also yeah what do you expect you bought a $1000 dollar colt. LOL
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Pretty ****ty, but I know for a fact they ask you to inspect the firearm to make sure you're happy with its condition before you sign it out.

also yeah what do you expect you bought a $1000 dollar colt. LOL
Are all $1000 AR's that poor in quality? I've built all mine & can't say I've seen any that bad...
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Oh Hell NO!
Not for $1100.00+
I admit you have a point. Unless it's a sub-Moa precision build I don't really care about fit and finish, but I know everyone is different. If it were me I'd just sand it down and krylon the gun, but I also refuse to buy an off the shelf AR. I mill out my own lowers and build/headspace all mine so I know it was done right; I am my own quality control. Colt knows what they are doing but QC problems happen in any kind of manufacturing.


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Pretty ****ty, but I know for a fact they ask you to inspect the firearm to make sure you're happy with its condition before you sign it out.

also yeah what do you expect you bought a $1000 dollar colt. LOL
OP, did you inspect the firearm prior to DROS/paying for it?
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I just bought a Colt 6920 from Riflegear as well. My selector stops are also inexplicably ground down but they don’t look quite as bad as yours. That part at the back though, that is just awful.

You can see my selector stops in this pic

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My $55 Anderson lowers don't have any of these problems. They go bang every time too.
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You should have inspected it when you bought it.
My cheap PSA lowers for $39 look better than that.
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Californians should check out Windam Firearms out of Maine. Quality is really good for half the price of the Colt. Customer service is awesome as well.
Fuq Wat? My best friend purchased a Windam .308 upper. We couldn't get that turd to fit on any .308 lower we stuck it on. It wouldn't cycle, nor would the magazine well line up with lower.

I made a post about here on the site. No amount of gunsmithing could fit it, and a phone call and e-mail to Windam were ignored. Ended up swapping a stripped AP upper with the Windam. That worked like a champ. Fork Windam. Horrendous QC and zero tech support.
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Fuq Wat? My best friend purchased a Windam .308 upper. We couldn't get that turd to fit on any .308 lower we stuck it on. It wouldn't cycle, nor would the magazine well line up with lower.

I made a post about here on the site. No amount of gunsmithing could fit it, and a phone call and e-mail to Windam were ignored. Ended up swapping a stripped AP upper with the Windam. That worked like a champ. Fork Windam. Horrendous QC and zero tech support.
308 ARs are not standardized like regular AR15s. Do some research on AR10 pattern rifles, here are different patterns: DPMS, Armalite, PSA gen 2, etc

ETA: FWIW, Windham is the OG Bushmaster, its run by the guys who worked at the original Bushmaster before Remington bought Bushmaster and their quality went to crap. They have been in the business awhile, they know what they are doing. All the parts I have bought from Windam have been excellent quality

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This is typical colt, it's not a high end POF or LWRC, etc. Fit/finish is usually meh but they go bang every time. Just shoot it.

I'll admit through on the rear of the lower, the uneven aluminum, that's the first I've seen that one
You know, if this was a watch that you spent $1100 on, I would expect perfection. And a watch is way more complicated than a rifle. For an AR-15, I would expect much better quality for that amount of money. Heck, otherwise, just buy a $100 lower and slap on a Midway AR-Stoner upper and parts kit for $500.
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Should have bought a BCM complete lower from Riflegear and an upper of your choice from BCM direct.

Sorry for your troubles... Good luck.
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Pretty isn't mil-spec. It's a Colt AR thing.

I'd look for FSB cant, upper lower fit and function check it.

That buttstock sling mount should be an easy fix. I'd replace the buffer tube plate with a QD mount one and sling from there though.

Shoot with confidence!

After normal wear and tear on any AR those "blems" won't even be noticeable.

All my guns are shooters, some came perfect, some had scratches, dings, etc. They all wear and get banged up.

As long as they run IDGAF.
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Milspec....don’t ya just love it????


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You know, if this was a watch that you spent $1100 on, I would expect perfection. And a watch is way more complicated than a rifle. For an AR-15, I would expect much better quality for that amount of money. Heck, otherwise, just buy a $100 lower and slap on a Midway AR-Stoner upper and parts kit for $500.
But it's not a watch, it's just an AR. With how cheap the market is right now, you can build a high end rifle less optics easy for $1100 if you shop smart, this included a CHF CL barrel or a nice match barrel, something like a Geissele rail and trigger, Nickel boron BCG, nice muzzle device like a battlecomp, etc etc etc. the last complete upper I bought was a complete colt LE6920 upper with carry handle for $415 shipped on AR15.com's Equipment Exchange. Quality at low price can be done in this market
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It's typical Colt quality.

During the1990s, after they became a full union shop, quality control started going down hill.

Lower quality and high prices is one of the reasons why the US Military switched to FNMI as their manufacturer of M16 rifles and M4 carbines.
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damn.. i thought colt was top of the line sh*t..
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It's typical Colt quality.

During the1990s, after they became a full union shop, quality control started going down hill.

Lower quality and high prices is one of the reasons why the US Military switched to FNMI as their manufacturer of M16 rifles and M4 carbines.
I really want one each of those new Fn military replicas. That is what I would have spent the $$ on.
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifle...collector-m16/
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifle...-collector-m4/

PS - anyone notice Fn has a couple of CA rifles now wih CQR stock?
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifle...actical-ii-ca/
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It's a Colt AR, not sure if you were expecting something pretty. Does it go bang every time?
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Dang, I've seen blem 80's that looked better than that.
I have rattle can lowers that look better OP, I really could care less about how it looks. How does it shoot?
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....Lower quality and high prices is one of the reasons why the US Military switched to FNMI as their manufacturer of M16 rifles and M4 carbines.
You really have to work hard to lose a military contract, usually you have to show really poor performance on not meeting contract requirements and have an attitude that shows you aren't going to listen to the customer (contract issuer).
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It's a Colt. I'm not sure why people think buying a Colt is like buying a Rolex. If you want a quality well finished rifle, go with LWRC, Daniel Defense, POF etc...
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Fuq Wat? My best friend purchased a Windam .308 upper. We couldn't get that turd to fit on any .308 lower we stuck it on. It wouldn't cycle, nor would the magazine well line up with lower.

I made a post about here on the site. No amount of gunsmithing could fit it, and a phone call and e-mail to Windam were ignored. Ended up swapping a stripped AP upper with the Windam. That worked like a champ. Fork Windam. Horrendous QC and zero tech support.
Seriously? Do you know anything about 308 ARs? It says right on their website that their 308s are a proprietary design. You cant just buy any 308 upper and expect it to fit on any random 308 lower. Its not at all like AR15s. I dont know what you expected Windham to do, send you a free lower receiver? Haha.

I have a Windham 308 and it is an excellent rifle. Incredible accuracy and excellent fit and finish. I would not hesitate to buy one of their AR15s. I have a couple colts and while the fit and finish on them is good, I think the Windham is a better alternative.

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Whether or not the OP inspected the AR isn't the reason why he started this thread. If it was YOUR money, you wouldn't be happy. And that many of you are saying what else should he expect from a $1,000 Colt, ya'll should suck it!

Give the guy some support and/or suggestions. Don't hide behind your sticky keyboard and throw negative feedback.
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Whether or not the OP inspected the AR isn't the reason why he started this thread. If it was YOUR money, you wouldn't be happy. And that many of you are saying what else should he expect from a $1,000 Colt, ya'll should suck it!

Give the guy some support and/or suggestions. Don't hide behind your sticky keyboard and throw negative feedback.
It isn't why he started the thread, but the rifle was DROSED and signed out/taken home in its current condition. If it was my money, I wouldn't have bought a complete colt rifle. I assume the OP isn't familiar with Colt rifles as a whole and what to expect, and that is not his fault. By your response I assume you haven't owned many colt rifles. As previously stated by myself and others, this is typically want to expect from Colt: fit and finish subpar, but they always go bang, which is the important part. Buying a colt is like buying a Honda Civic (colt) VS buying an Acura NSX (something like a Noveske, LWRC, etc). The NSX is reliable, has all the bells and whistles, and everything about build quality is the sky is the limit, no detail overlooked, every aspect of craftsmanship perfect. The civic is cheaper, not as nice, basic or may have a few bells and whistles, cheap plastics, body panels may not be perfectly lined up, etc., but the damn thing just runs and runs

FWIW, OP, I do hope Colt does take care of you and makes it right

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Why do they grind the selector stops?
Op, remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. So if you don't get any luck, troll their Facebook page, Instagram, etc...
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Seriously? Do you know anything about 308 ARs? It says right on their website that their 308s are a proprietary design. You cant just buy any 308 upper and expect it to fit on any random 308 lower. Its not at all like AR15s. I dont know what you expected Windham to do, send you a free lower receiver? Haha.

I have a Windham 308 and it is an excellent rifle. Incredible accuracy and excellent fit and finish. I would not hesitate to buy one of their AR15s. I have a couple colts and while the fit and finish on them is good, I think the Windham is a better alternative.


It was sold as a complete upper with no mention of it being proprietary. Now if they would have answered there ****ing phone or the email messages that were sent to them, then maybe things would have turned out differently. So Iím going to stand by what I said before. They suck.


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It was sold as a complete upper with no mention of it being proprietary. Now if they would have answered there ****ing phone or the email messages that were sent to them, then maybe things would have turned out differently. So Iím going to stand by what I said before. They suck.


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That is not a problem at all. Looks like every Colt. The quality is on the inside, where it matters.
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You really have to work hard to lose a military contract, usually you have to show really poor performance on not meeting contract requirements and have an attitude that shows you aren't going to listen to the customer (contract issuer).
All you have to do is be more expensive then the next guy. That is what happened. FN underbid the M4 contract and Colt underbid the 249 contract and they both switched.
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Fuq Wat? My best friend purchased a Windam .308 upper. We couldn't get that turd to fit on any .308 lower we stuck it on. It wouldn't cycle, nor would the magazine well line up with lower.

I made a post about here on the site. No amount of gunsmithing could fit it, and a phone call and e-mail to Windam were ignored. Ended up swapping a stripped AP upper with the Windam. That worked like a champ. Fork Windam. Horrendous QC and zero tech support.
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308 ARs are not standardized like regular AR15s. Do some research on AR10 pattern rifles, here are different patterns: DPMS, Armalite, PSA gen 2, etc

ETA: FWIW, Windham is the OG Bushmaster, its run by the guys who worked at the original Bushmaster before Remington bought Bushmaster and their quality went to crap. They have been in the business awhile, they know what they are doing. All the parts I have bought from Windam have been excellent quality
Typical of newbies. I was going to say the same thing. Wondering if Epile knew that to begin with. If not, It's still not Windam's fault. Unless it was a Windam upper. Was it a Windam upper???
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That is not a problem at all. Looks like every Colt. The quality is on the inside, where it matters.
Really? Please explain this magical "innerds" you speak of.
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Really? Please explain this magical "innerds" you speak of.
I was thinking the same thing...
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Every NIB Colt I've come across has some sort of blem (usually scratches) with the finish, but it's always cosmetic and never affects the function of the rifle.

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