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Old 07-19-2015, 4:00 PM
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Default California law on how much powder one can have?

I have done some searches and cant find this answer. With powder availability loosening up, it is easy to want to load up. Can someone help me out with some answers on this? Thanks.
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20lbs of smokeless and 2 or 3 lbs of black powder.Info should be on CA DOJ site.
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I believe it is just 1 lb. for black powder.
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Is that per person or per family? Does it apply or can it be interpreted to apply to already completed ammo on hand or just bulk powder not yet loaded? Cite please?
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See: http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Am...d_Black_Powder
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How much black pepper are we allowed?
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you can have all the smokeless powder you want, so long as it is stored in brass cases with primers installed and a bullet on top
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you can have all the smokeless powder you want, so long as it is stored in brass cases with primers installed and a bullet on top
That brings up another question. How much ammo can you legally have in one place? I see on the news about some guy getting busted for one thing or another and the cops find ammo in his garage or house and the next thing you know the bomb squad is called in and they're evacuating the neighborhood. That's not over a dozen box's of ammo for some guy who deer hunts and bird hunts. Thats a shooting enthusiast who either reloads or stocked up on ammo due to to these shortages. Bottom line is, how much is too much according to the law
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That brings up another question. How much ammo can you legally have in one place? I see on the news about some guy getting busted for one thing or another and the cops find ammo in his garage or house and the next thing you know the bomb squad is called in and they're evacuating the neighborhood. That's not over a dozen box's of ammo for some guy who deer hunts and bird hunts. Thats a shooting enthusiast who either reloads or stocked up on ammo due to to these shortages. Bottom line is, how much is too much according to the law
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Nope... No limits on ammo.
There is a H&S statute that covers storage of powder and describes the type of magazine required, I suspect that quantities under 20lb are exempt.
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11-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities
not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original
containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not
exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences
where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least
1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness.
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Not certain if there is a legal limit as a felony per say or merely a fire code violation.
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Refer here as well.
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12101-12112

HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE
SECTION 12101-12112

12102. This chapter does not apply to any possession or use of 20
pounds or less of smokeless powder, or one pound or less of black
sporting powder, provided that:
(a) Smokeless powder is intended only for hand loading of small
arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(b) Black sporting powder is intended for loading of small arms or
small arms ammunition of .75 caliber or less.
(c) All such powder is for private use and not for resale, and, in
the case of black sporting powder, there shall be no gift, delivery,
or other disposition to another person.
(d) The storage, use and handling of such smokeless and black
powder conforms to rules, regulations, or ordinances of authorities
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of such storage, use, and handling of such explosives.
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SAMMI specs.

http://www.saami.org/specifications_...ess_Powder.pdf

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11-3.7 Smokeless propellants intended for personal use in quantities
not exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg) shall be permitted to be stored in original
containers in residences. Quantities exceeding 20 lb. (9.1 kg), but not
exceeding 50 lb. (22.7 kg), shall be permitted to be stored in residences
where kept in a wooden box or cabinet having walls of at least
1 in. (25.4 mm) nominal thickness.
Link that the above is a law?

A hit that I get from Google says that 11-3.7 is:

Reprinted with permission from NFPA 495: Explosive Material Code,
Copyright Ā©1996, National Fire Protection Association, Quincy, MA
02269. This reprinted material is not the complete and official position
of the National Fire Protection Association on the referenced subject
which is represented only by the standard in its entirety


That 11-3.7 doesn't appear to be a law.
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That was a lot more than 20-40 pounds of powder.
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5 pounds for black powder. 20 pounds for smokeless. Anything more than that would require a special permit.

If you don't get that permit:

12305. Every person not in the lawful possession of an explosive
who knowingly has any explosive in his possession is guilty of a
felony.

12401. Every person who is found guilty of a felony as specified in
this part is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h)
of Section 1170 of the Penal Code, or in a county jail not exceeding
one year, or by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or
by both such fine and imprisonment.

Just buy what you need, when you need. Easier that way.
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Just buy what you need, when you need. Easier that way.
Especially since a felony will require you forfeit your rights to keep and bear arms.
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That brings up another question. How much ammo can you legally have in one place? I see on the news about some guy getting busted for one thing or another and the cops find ammo in his garage or house and the next thing you know the bomb squad is called in and they're evacuating the neighborhood. That's not over a dozen box's of ammo for some guy who deer hunts and bird hunts. Thats a shooting enthusiast who either reloads or stocked up on ammo due to to these shortages. Bottom line is, how much is too much according to the law
Riverside always gets their panties up in a bunch and cops take EVERYTHING just to be safe so what did you expect?

In 2001 when the POPO raided my house they took ALL of my **** and I had to go back to court repeatedly to get things back. ****ing *******s...
They had the luxury of having a u-haul truck to haul everything away that day, I had to go back with multiple trips with the Ranger...
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smokeless powder is NOT an explosive. Black powder is.
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smokeless powder is NOT an explosive. Black powder is.
Subtle difference. They're both explosives. Black powder, however, is potentially detonable. Smokeless is only deflagrating.
That is why the lower mass limit on black powder. The shock wave generated by detonating explosives is very damaging.
The hard drive in my head can't recall the conditions under which one can detonate black powder though.
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Especially since a felony will require you forfeit your rights to keep and bear arms.

What's the penal code that shows it's a felony to have more then 20lbs of smokeless powder?


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smokeless powder is NOT an explosive. Black powder is.
For shipping purposes, smokeless powder is a "flammable solid", NOT an explosive.
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What's the penal code that shows it's a felony to have more then 20lbs of smokeless powder?


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The exact PC is unknown. The info about it being a felony comes straight come CA's website. Is our fine state merely bluffing? Perhaps. Does the health and safety code give law enforcement a reason to haul you in? Definitely.

What's that old saying? "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride". I suppose it's possible to beat the felony powder charges seeing as we don't even know what the PC is. But, in the end, how much will it cost?
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And if you kept it in a barn, shed, detached garage or anything other than a residence?
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12305. Every person not in the lawful possession of an explosive
who knowingly has any explosive in his possession is guilty of a
felony.

12401. Every person who is found guilty of a felony as specified in
this part is punishable by imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h)
of Section 1170 of the Penal Code, or in a county jail not exceeding
one year, or by fine not exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or
by both such fine and imprisonment.
Where did you get that from? Link?
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And if you kept it in a barn, shed, detached garage or anything other than a residence?
The regulations are very cryptic. I would imagine they mean per address, without regard to how it's separated out.

Just store powder like previously mentioned. In little brass containers topped with lead caps. There's NO limits on ammo or primers. It's not worth taking the risk knowing the state will throw the book at you if given the chance.

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That looks like it is worded in the language of the Penal Code.

Health and safety code:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/di...le=12400-12401

But gun powder is NOT an explosive. Maybe Black powder is, but not gunpowder. So I think someone interpreted it wrong.

No spreading FUD!


OMG! I just got a brilliant idea! WHAT if you purchased brass containers that looked like artillary shells with screw on tops and .500 caliber spouts with lead caps?

Then just dump your powder into those, label them and you have your storage taken care of... Hey you just reloaded a very long range .500 caliber...
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I just counted my powder , OOPS
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Yeah no ****, I gotta talk to two more neighbors tomorrow to prepare for the next shipment.

Plus I gotta go back to Depot and get some more plywood for the powder cabinets...
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But gun powder is NOT an explosive. Maybe Black powder is, but not gunpowder. So I think someone interpreted it wrong.

No spreading FUD!
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12000. For the purposes of this part, "explosives" means any
substance, or combination of substances, the primary or common
purpose of which is detonation or rapid combustion, and which is
capable of a relatively instantaneous or rapid release of gas and
heat, or any substance, the primary purpose of which, when combined
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(a) Dynamite, nitroglycerine, picric acid, lead azide, fulminate
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Keep anything that exceeds your 20lb limit in your car trunk-parked in the driveway, your neighbors, buddy's house, or a relatives place.
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That was a lot more than 20-40 pounds of powder.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lano...entencing.html

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There is a seller in private ammo/ reloading on here from Ventura selling large quantites of powder and primers ftf. has at lest 50 -75 pounds up for sale all the time.
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There is a seller in private ammo/ reloading on here from Ventura selling large quantites of powder and primers ftf. has at lest 50 -75 pounds up for sale all the time.
Maybe you should do your duty and report him?

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When ever i hit the limit, i load 1000 223s. 3.5 lbs gone. Now my only problem is finding ammo cans @ a fair price that are local.
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12000. For the purposes of this part, "explosives" means any
substance, or combination of substances, the primary or common
purpose of which is detonation or rapid combustion, and which is
capable of a relatively instantaneous or rapid release of gas and
heat, or any substance, the primary purpose of which, when combined
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instantaneous or rapid release of gas and heat. "Explosives"
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Section 555.23 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, and
any of the following:
(a) Dynamite, nitroglycerine, picric acid, lead azide, fulminate
of mercury, black powder, smokeless powder, propellant explosives,
detonating primers, blasting caps, or commercial boosters.
This has got to be a mistake and needs a revising. Nitroglycerine is a high explosive that is designed to shatter rocks and concrete. Picric acid is a hmmm, byproduct? but it is also shock sensitive. I DARE say that the majority of items listed there are shock sensitive. I am surprised that Nitrogen Tri-iodide was not listed... Oops, now it will be...

Smokeless gun powder is NOT shock sensitive and it should not be on that list.

We should toss this onto the pile the the lawyers need to take care of. Okay, I will sit down for the rest of this argument. (Until my lawyer tells me other...)

And by looking at the above, I just realized that what it is saying that nobody can have gunpowder... So clearly there is an exemption for it elsewhere OR this is just another old code that needs revising that never got it and because of this mess when someone gets popped they WILL get into a lot of unnecessary trouble and possibly ruin their livelyhood over it.
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The only thing to report is a commercial ongoing sale in a private forum. Since he sells at gunshows all the time as well as on here. Take the komrade comment and shove it.
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