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View Poll Results: What do you think the chances are of a visit by CA DoJ?
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Old 06-30-2018, 7:53 PM
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There is a theory that crowd-sourced votes are good predictors of the actual outcome. Therefore, given the number of pending applications for BB-equipped registered AWs, what do you think the chances are of a visit by CA DoJ representatives?

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I'd say the chances are very high if you've just submitted photos of an "illegal" firearm. Other than that, no.
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This is misleading and silly. If you didn't break the law don't expect a visit. What's a visit a "knock and talk"? Or a swat team? A warrant?

This just spreads fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
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You need the phrase the question better(or better yet don't ask). DOJ isn't going to send out 10,000 agents on Monday to follow up on every single fishy registration or every single gun in the database that didn't get registered.
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For me the chance of a visit is almost zero (I've always been featureless) for you who knows...
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I think it is a given that DOJ will be very busy following up on people's screwed up last minute registration attempts. For those that registered correctly, or those that went featureless or fixed mag, no DOJ visit. I wouldn't be shocked if DOJ sent out information request letters to people that purchased AR/AK rifles in the 2014-2016 timeframe, since these were probably almost all BB rifles. The DOJ has plenty of excess DROS money to go on a little fishing expedition.
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well since many didn't heed the advice of many others and went ahead and complied with that thing called registration, probably very high.
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The chance of CA-DOJ visiting me? Zero.

I live in NV. My yet unregistered BBAWs are also in NV. But soon, my BBRAWs are coming back to CA with papers.
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I think it is a given that DOJ will be very busy following up on people's screwed up last minute registration attempts. For those that registered correctly, or those that went featureless or fixed mag, no DOJ visit. I wouldn't be shocked if DOJ sent out information request letters to people that purchased AR/AK rifles in the 2014-2016 timeframe, since these were probably almost all BB rifles. The DOJ has plenty of excess DROS money to go on a little fishing expedition.
I was thinking about this myself. If a rifle is featureless...not much that they can say or do...right?
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There is a theory that crowd-sourced votes are good predictors of the actual outcome. Therefore, given the number of pending applications for BB-equipped registered AWs, what do you think the chances are of a visit by CA DoJ representatives?
If you are asking if they are going to visit everyone that registered, then 0%.

If you are asking if they are going to visit "some" people, then 100%.

This poll reminds me of something I would see on CNN. There is no "right" answer, and vague enough to be reworded to be used as propaganda.



edit - Also not a legit CGNs Poll due to no "bacon" option. Results of this poll will not be credible.
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I was thinking about this myself. If a rifle is featureless...not much that they can say or do...right?
I really doubt they are going to send out or do anything about 2014-2016 rifles. Here is the kicker: they don't know what configuration those rifles are nor do they know if they are still in the State of CA.

That means there is nothing to send to people other than "are you complying with the law?". That's silly. No, they can't put out warrants and "knock and talk" tens and thousands (maybe more) of people. If there is no reason to send out a mailer or email then there is no good reason for knock and talk or warrants or anything.
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I really doubt they are going to send out or do anything about 2014-2016 rifles. Here is the kicker: they don't know what configuration those rifles are nor do they know if they are still in the State of CA.

That means there is nothing to send to people other than "are you complying with the law?". That's silly. No, they can't put out warrants and "knock and talk" tens and thousands (maybe more) of people. If there is no reason to send out a mailer or email then there is no good reason for knock and talk or warrants or anything.
Very true.

I was thinking more like "spot" checks here and there, not massive campaigns. No warrants, just knocking on doors and asking if they can come in and check things out...hoping to catch someone that is gullible.
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Very true.

I was thinking more like "spot" checks here and there, not massive campaigns. No warrants, just knocking on doors and asking if they can come in and check things out...hoping to catch someone that is gullible.
I'd say even that is of almost no concern. They are a gov agency with a tiny police force and they can't afford that liability. The knock and talks we uncovered on CG that were done to members mostly turned out to be legitimate things happening because of gun owners not knowing they were breaking the law. Some of those reasons were legitimate blind spots and I don't think the owners had any idea.
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I really doubt they are going to send out or do anything about 2014-2016 rifles. Here is the kicker: they don't know what configuration those rifles are nor do they know if they are still in the State of CA.

That means there is nothing to send to people other than "are you complying with the law?". That's silly. No, they can't put out warrants and "knock and talk" tens and thousands (maybe more) of people. If there is no reason to send out a mailer or email then there is no good reason for knock and talk or warrants or anything.
The DOJ would never do anything silly.

The average person is pretty good at incriminating themselves. Sending out trolling letters would be cheap and would probably catch a few of the dumber fish out there. Alternatively, they could just sit back and wait for the Legislature to do some cleanup legislation for featureless and some of the "fixed" magazine options. Either way, this is far from over...
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ZERO. I don’t own assault weapons. My rifles are featureless or have fixed 10 round magazines.
I’ll be interested to hear how many actually were registered. My guess is less than 20%.
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ZERO. I don’t own assault weapons. My rifles are featureless or have fixed 10 round magazines.
I’ll be interested to hear how many actually were registered. My guess is less than 20%.
Curious what you think the breakdown would be between featureless conversions and just plain no-comply AWs out of the remaining 80%.
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Curious what you think the breakdown would be between featureless conversions and just plain no-comply AWs out of the remaining 80%.
I think the majority of people are law abiding citizens that have chosen to do the right thing.

Sadly, there will be many that have no idea that the laws changed. They will be the ones “caught” with unregistered BB AWs.
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I'd say less than 20% of owners of these weapons did something specifically like reg or featureless or whatever because they had no idea what was going on. In 1989, DOJ took our TV ads and published fliers. Since then they have acted like people should be clairvoyant as to their whims of interpretation of the law.

If LGS or local range is any indication very few people know. People that worked at local gun shops (making a living selling guns) didn't know their hat from the *** and gave out information that should make them liable for illegality that resulted. I heard salespeople say things that were not only useless, but incredibly wrong and harmful.

Our legal friends put out some webinars and tried to get the word out but it's very very limited in it's scope. Even supposed you tube friendly CA channels (including some based in CA) didn't really have the best info and it was not optimal to say the least.

This is what is meant by U.S. District Judge Roger T. Benitez when he said "criminal law traps for people of common intelligence who desire to obey the law". I think most people in CA fell into that category. The amount of time I have personally spent trying to navigate this garbage is staggering, and I am no expert to say the least.

All of this is going according to the people who are behind this law's ultimate plan. It's going perfectly for them.
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5% or less AW, 95% or more Featureless/Fixed Mag/Disassemble.
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your main enemy will be your fellow gun owners, back in the earlier Roberti Roo's AW ban days, if a shooter pulled out a banned AW style rifle at the public range, everybody would stop firing and stare at the guy with the AW and you could hear them talking and wondering if it's legal? or is it registered? sometimes they would call the local Sheriff's Dept to come by and do a check.
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your main enemy will be your fellow gun owners, back in the earlier Roberti Roo's AW ban days, if a shooter pulled out a banned AW style rifle at the public range, everybody would stop firing and stare at the guy with the AW and you could hear them talking and wondering if it's legal? or is it registered? sometimes they would call the local Sheriff's Dept to come by and do a check.
Yeah, that happened to me more than once, but it never amounted to anything. Never any LEO involved.

I don't think people will be the same way this time because there are just too many variables. I did have a sneaking suspicion that the same people who gave me all kinds of advice at LGS about not registering (back when I was 19 in the year 2000) were the same guys giving me crap about having a registered AW at the range. From 2001-2007 it was "Hey, that's illegal" and after 2007 it was "Hey, where is your BB?".

Don't know what the latest will be, "Hey, where is your fin grip?" "Hey, did I see you just drop a magazine with a tool?".
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Out of how many registrations, we have, what? 4 visits/confiscations/raids?

More chances of setting yourself on fire via fart and static electricity.
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Out of how many registrations, we have, what? 4 visits/confiscations/raids?

More chances of setting yourself on fire via fart and static electricity.
Yeah, and none of them had any real merit in terms of portraying an unfair or unjust system or corrupt LEO. I want that case to become a reality too because it means that their entire system is a jeopardy at that point. My bar for reaching that hasn't even been remotely reached yet.

We'll have to pay attention to it and see if anything develops but if you register something that is illegal and then they come and find more illegal things I have no idea what to say. If you made an honest mistake then its understandable but that case just resulted in a rifle confiscated, nothing really too life changing and no criminal charges or other penalties / liabilities.
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Alternatively, they could just sit back and wait for the Legislature to do some cleanup legislation for featureless and some of the "fixed" magazine options. Either way, this is far from over...
There's a poll for you -- far from over? 100%
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your main enemy will be your fellow gun owners, back in the earlier Roberti Roo's AW ban days, if a shooter pulled out a banned AW style rifle at the public range, everybody would stop firing and stare at the guy with the AW and you could hear them talking and wondering if it's legal? or is it registered? sometimes they would call the local Sheriff's Dept to come by and do a check.
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I really doubt they are going to send out or do anything about 2014-2016 rifles. Here is the kicker: they don't know what configuration those rifles are nor do they know if they are still in the State of CA.

That means there is nothing to send to people other than "are you complying with the law?". That's silly. No, they can't put out warrants and "knock and talk" tens and thousands (maybe more) of people. If there is no reason to send out a mailer or email then there is no good reason for knock and talk or warrants or anything.
I imagine the DOJ will send out "INFORMATIVE" letters that are full of "THREATS AND INNUENDO" to purchasers of stripped semi-auto lower receivers that mentions al the things that can happen to you for an illegal configured semi-auto without mentioning how they can be legal and what the legal configurations are.
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your main enemy will be your fellow gun owners, back in the earlier Roberti Roo's AW ban days, if a shooter pulled out a banned AW style rifle at the public range, everybody would stop firing and stare at the guy with the AW and you could hear them talking and wondering if it's legal? or is it registered? sometimes they would call the local Sheriff's Dept to come by and do a check.
One day at the range I stepped back off my table and back to my ammo stash on the bench behind me. A fellow steps up to my table and asks "do you mind?" and I said sure go for it as I thought he was just going to do a function check. Then he says "you are going to like this" and he proceeds to dump a full mag in full auto then steps back and boogies off.

Range master yells over the speaker "cease fire, cease fire, no rapid fire on the range, no rapid fire on the range". Then a bunch of guys come jamming out of the shack headed towards me screaming.

They said full auto is not allowed and start demanding to see my firearms. If it was not for the fellow on my right backing up my story about the mysterious guy with the prosthetic arm killing my wife, I mean shooting that full auto, I think the folks at the range would have taken all my firearms and held me over till LE showed up and given them sworn testimony that I fired full auto. With the current assembly of the rainbows at that city LE jurisdiction and probably not allowing the few in that department that are experts on firearms to look at mine first, I think there would have been a good chance I would have stayed a while, and who knows maybe even be convicted as they swear the firearms the took from me fired full auto and they had witnesses to attest to such. Meanwhile my story about the guy with the prosthetic arm is ignored and so I wait for the train derailment on my way to prison...….

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Now that the registration window is closed, what is stopping DOJ field agents from visiting shooting ranges and walking the lines looking at rifles that are uncased sitting on a shooting bench or in a rack? A featured rifle will be easy to spot...

Then the "compliance inspection" starts. This scenario is far more likely to occur IMO. The DOJ and media's silence on the registration compliance process will turn into headlines about arrest and illegal assault weapons being seized at public shooting ranges...
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I was thinking about this myself. If a rifle is featureless...not much that they can say or do...right?
The problem is that CA DoJ has no way of knowing if an unregistered AR or AK has been converted to featureless. They may spot check a few people under the pretense that they want to make sure that people are in compliance with the law.
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0-25% I think about 1 in 1000 will get a visit at some point.
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Where is bacon?
Possession of unregistered bacon is a class 1 felony in CA.
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Possession of unregistered bacon is a class 1 felony in CA.
Registered bacon = 100% HALAL
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Possession of unregistered bacon is a class 1 felony in CA.
That's UNDOCUMENTED bacon there buddy!
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well since many didn't heed the advice of many others and went ahead and complied with that thing called registration, probably very high.
DOJ Agent: "This guy complied with the law! Let's raid his house!"

(I'm pretty sure it doesn't work this way)
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