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Old 10-08-2017, 9:02 AM
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Default Thought on reducing the spam

I have a car site that has the same issue with spammers that we have here. I set mine up to moderate new members. They are automatically moved into the coppa group which requires me to ok them before they can post. This stops all the spammers. Only downside is a real new member may have a slight delay before I activate their membership and they can post.

My site is busy (not "Calguns" busy) but I keep thinking this may be a solution, at least temporarily until something more permanent can be done.
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spam goes into crazy mode everytime there is a high profile gun related crime
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The OP makes a good point. All this spam crap is really effing annoying.
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Old 10-08-2017, 12:38 PM
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I not think the mods don't care. To be honest. I am stopping the flagging, after all... it's free labour. I was more than willing to to flag like crazy, but with the up ticks in massive spam hits, the dated forum setup as detailed by multiple tech ppl. I am gonna stop.
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Mods are free labor, too.

Most of the daylight (in CA) spam seems to be 'stream this sports event'. (Don't, BTW - back when I bothered to look, every link went to a known malware site.)

Evening/night seems more 'you need this product' junk.
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I'm lobbying for a bounty on spam reported. I'm thinking I could afford ammo for the DTA I could buy.

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I'm lobbying for a bounty on spam reported. I'm thinking I could afford ammo for the DTA I could buy.

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Yeah, you got that right, the guy would be able to retire with a bounty.

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Yeah, you got that right, the guy would be able to retire with a bounty.

But he has to sleep sometime
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The spammers come here BECAUSE there are no prevention measures in place. If something was set up, even temporarily, they would go away.
I like the idea of "the first post must be approved". I've used it on other forums with a high level of success.
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I have a car site that has the same issue with spammers that we have here. I set mine up to moderate new members. They are automatically moved into the coppa group which requires me to ok them before they can post. This stops all the spammers. Only downside is a real new member may have a slight delay before I activate their membership and they can post.
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I admit to not being educated on running websites. The quoted "seems" to be the obvious and easily implemented solution.
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Some of the spam is entertaining...
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The spammers come here BECAUSE there are no prevention measures in place. If something was set up, even temporarily, they would go away.
I like the idea of "the first post must be approved". I've used it on other forums with a high level of success.
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I admit to not being educated on running websites. The quoted "seems" to be the obvious and easily implemented solution.
We are set up with email verification, verification question, ReCaptcha and more.
We're not just open to the world but we are a juicy target.

The reason we're a good target, and worth the effort to spammers, is also why post approval would be a major problem.
We average 3.0Tb of data transfer each month, large traffic and large amounts of new users and posts.

That's a lot of hours especially considering most of the Staff myself included have full time jobs as well.

We're always looking for new ways to fight spam but frankly almost every common tool for doing so has an end around from the spammers.
It's an arms race and they don't have to care if it makes things harder for the members.
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Old 10-09-2017, 11:50 AM
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the dated forum setup as detailed by multiple tech ppl.
We can update at any time, it's not that big of a deal in fact in many ways it would make my life easier and our hosting company's life easier.

Of course the problem becomes all the little mods and hacks people like.
For example iTrader is an unsupported mod that goes away, along with your rating, when we upgrade to either vB4 or Xenforo.
So everyone with years of iTrader scores starts at zero again.

That's just one of the mods everyone has become accustom to that would go away.
I'd prefer not to lose all that so one of the issues is figuring out how to port it all over when the new softwares don't even use the various php functions.
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Give the long time reporters of spam the ability to ban these guys rather than report them. Must be a few you can trust with that power.
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or automatically ban users that has low post count AND multiple spam reports.
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Approval for the first post on new members seems like a good idea to weed out the scumbags
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or automatically ban users that has low post count AND multiple spam reports.
That's more generous than our current criteria.

1 spam and the poster is gone; it just sometimes happens SpammerMember puts up 2 or more before we get around to them.

Now, if the member has, say, 500 prior posts, I'll look into it further.

But a join date in the last week and 1 spam post? Buh-bye.
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That's more generous than our current criteria.

1 spam and the poster is gone; it just sometimes happens SpammerMember puts up 2 or more before we get around to them.

Now, if the member has, say, 500 prior posts, I'll look into it further.

But a join date in the last week and 1 spam post? Buh-bye.
Agreed if a human has to review the report, 1 is enough. What I meant
was via an automated system. Multiple just to weed out human mistakes.

I think the issue here is that a mod has to react to a spam report currently.
We should have a automated way so we can reduce your workload.
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I work on another site as a mod, and I agree that stopping spam is a lot of work. After some effort, we reached settings that keep most of it out of view and in a moderation queue, but the downside is a lot of work goes into clearing the queue, and valid posts can be delayed for hours. In addition, we had to add restrictions to editing posts, etc, that make it harder on newer users. I don't know what the right answer might be.
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Moderate the first one or two posts of a new member so the SPAM posts do not make it to the main forum.
These SPAM posts are cluttering up the forums and I do not see anything being done about it.

Do any of the Mods or Admins read our suggestions?

It would seem NO because this issue has been brought up before and we still have the problem.
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They read them, discuss them and are constantly trying to figure out new idea's to combat these infiltrators.
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May be reading the suggestions. They sure aren't acting on anything.

The last rounds of spam, are clearly created sleeper accounts.
They are the tech ppl that are calgunners. So the board has a pool of ppl willing to help out

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Well today is clearly evident that they have adapted. Now the posts are rampant and have taken on topics almost appropriate to the board.

Who is the board owner?
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Who is the board owner?
Kestryll

He is working on it, but we lose features like I-Trader without going through a lot of hoops with upgrading the system.

Keep up the good work LB.
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Back to the salt mine. Ugh
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This is just getting out of control!
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Do any of the Mods or Admins read our suggestions?
Yes.

Did any of the members notice there was already a thread here on this topic?

Merged.
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OK, so the suggestions are read. That's great.
I, along with another poster, suggested to "moderate" new member's first or first several posts in order to stop SPAM from getting into the forums.

Since that suggestion was read why hasn't a Mod or Admin commented on the suggestion to explain why it wouldn't work.
I'm assuming it would not work because we still are getting many SPAM posts.
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From Kestryll's post, above:
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The reason we're a good target, and worth the effort to spammers, is also why post approval would be a major problem.

We average 3.0Tb of data transfer each month, large traffic and large amounts of new users and posts.
ETA: I just banned 6 members and deleted 17 threads; I do that at least 5 or 6 times per day.
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There is no value at all complaining or analyzing or reading tea leaves to decide what these bills really mean or actually do; any bill with a chance to pass will be bad for gun owners.

The details only count after the Governor signs the bills.

Not a lawyer, just Some Guy On The Interwebs.



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Holy cow, I had no idea it was that big of a problem! What a pain. I for one will be more alert and report.
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From Kestryll's post, above:

ETA: I just banned 6 members and deleted 17 threads; I do that at least 5 or 6 times per day.
I have tagged a bunch, does that help or annoy the mods?
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And today the onslaught keeps on coming.
How about stop new members sign up for a time period. Alleast it will help thin out the posts and maybe the mods could go down the no post low post members and thin the herd out. Surely some if not most the accounts were created months ago. If they have done recently... well then something has been infected

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I have tagged a bunch, does that help or annoy the mods?
Helps; thank you.

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And today the onslaught keeps on coming.
How about stop new members sign up for a time period. Alleast it will help thin out the posts and maybe the mods could go down the no post low post members and thin the herd out. Surely some if not most the accounts were created months ago. If they have done recently... well then something has been infected
Very few lie dormant for more than a month. Almost all are from registrations 'today' or 'yesterday'.
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Helps; thank you.
It has sort of become a game, like popping bubble wrap. Kind of addicting! LOL
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Helps; thank you.



Very few lie dormant for more than a month. Almost all are from registrations 'today' or 'yesterday'.
Then just shut off the joins for awhile
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Then just shut off the joins for awhile
That's sub-optimal, if you think the forum has any purpose beyond 'minimum spam'.

I've read entirely reasonable threads this morning from new members who signed up today.
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Then can't you just make it so new members first post must be approved by a mod? At least this way none of the spam makes it to the forum.
What's going on now is just a constant clean up and it's never going to get any better unless something is done proactively. You have to stop them before their posts show up, that way they will go away.
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