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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
View Poll Results: How much would you pay for Law Enforcement Credentials | |||
$0 I don't want them at any price | 398 | 15.56% | |
$100 | 316 | 12.35% | |
$500 | 748 | 29.24% | |
$1000 | 530 | 20.72% | |
$1500 | 103 | 4.03% | |
$2000 | 211 | 8.25% | |
$5000 | 133 | 5.20% | |
$10000 | 50 | 1.95% | |
$Whatever it takes I'll take out a second mortgage | 69 | 2.70% | |
Voters: 2558. You may not vote on this poll |
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And the state of the Union being what it is, you go to jail for exercising it.
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Guys we might be getting just a tiny bit off topic
This will either prove out or not.... I would like to know if any one has changed their opinion from what they initially voted... It would also be good to know of those who have voted who are already vested with Leo credentials |
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it would prob be worth 500, but 1000 i just could not do.
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It'll be worth a lot more than what I think it's worth now, IF 2A is NOT incorporated to the States in Chicago v McDonald.
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And we want to follow in his footsteps why again? To give us 2nd Amendment rights by pretending to be cops?
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Kind of like how the 'supremem commander of the armed forces' doesn't require any training/military background what so ever... Kind of like how the LA police chief wasn't post certified for a very very long time... I don't care if I have to 'pretend' an albino Eskimo with a speech impediment to get my damn 2A rights back... if wearing mucklucks and lisping while wearing makeup gets me the ability to protect my family then I'll be a muckluck wearing, ssss slurring fool in white face. this is not about 'playing cop' this is about getting 2A rights back,. if you've got a better idea of how me and my family will get the legal ability to carry a pistol for personal protection while living in NYC (in a time frame which keeps us alive... remember justice delayed is justice denied)... lets have it.... If not... well... I can tell you I'm going to get mine... others are welcome to join me once the details get sorted. |
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I was thinking about this. Even with the easy availability of CHL here in Texas, there are many places you can't carry - "51%" establishments (that percent of gross receipts is from sale of on-premise alcohol), schools, hospitals (WTF!?)... unless you're a LEO.
I'm not sure if it's all LEO or if I'd have to qualify as a Texas Peace Officer. But if it would get rid of those restrictions (and others), I'd be happy to save up $300-$500 to do it. |
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Um technically that is what is being talked about here, just not their local force
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How do you plan to vet 10,000 persons that pony up $1,000.00, even established departments that vet officers get bad seeds, how do you plan to address the liability issues and what chain of command will be in place to monitor the activities of these 10,000 person spread out across many States.
It seems the legal liability and inability to monitor the conduct of 10,000 individuals would doom any plan of this scale.
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At about the 2 week point, the city places the new contractor on unpaid administrative leave of absence andas such he/she has no arrest or other LE authority. The original 32 day contract contains a clause whereby the contract is automatically extended even when on unpaid administrative leave of absence. The leave can only be ended upon signed approval of the city officials. Departments separate themselves from employees all the time using the unpaid administrative leave of absence. It doesn't mean that the employee gives up their badge and gun necessarily. Correct me if I am wrong, but are cities liable for what officers do while on unpaid administrative leave of absence? As long as the original contract is worded correctly, I see no particular legal liability on the city's part; but then again I am no lawyer. |
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This thread is not about "being an LEO". It's about acquiring a piece of paper that will stop the state from infringing upon our rights.
If this idea comes to pass, and I can be a Special Constable for East Tree Stump County... how likely am I to try enforcing the law, there or anywhere? Answer: not at all. I don't want a badge, or power, or the headache. I just want to exercise my rights in peace and without fear of prosecution.
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+1 Agreed
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Interesting out of the box thinking but this has to stay legal!
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Ok, who wants to be a law officer from Sunrise Wyoming?
http://www.sunriseminewyoming.com/ And this in Nevada from 2006: "For $70,000, I'll turn over the keys to Coaldale. The town needs fixing up, I admit, but it's got a great future," says Ylst. He can be reached at (775) 482-7750." from http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/...NEWS/102200042 Seems like there are towns that come available. We just need to figure out which state(s) to target. |
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The badge is NOT earned. It's not an award, or medal of valor. You pay for it by attending a class and gaining employment...
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Now, dats funny right there I don't care who you are.... I would be interested, $500 sounds like a good figure!
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You have got to be very naive not to realize that this scheme would be very quickly defeated.
You are trying to use a provision in existing laws. As soon as legislators or the media get wind of this little project and the first badges or IDs are issued, you can bet that it won't take long for legislation to be drafted to make sure that those LEOs on "administrative leave" (or whatever statute you give them) don't get to carry in CA. Instead of spending hundreds or thousands towards that project (which I doubt will ever see the light of day), why don't you donate just 50% of that money to the CGF or other organizations that defend and represent our rights in the state? |
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Yea right sure. And all leo's are marksmen shooters .
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As of this time, 70 percent of us would do it if it was 500 dollars, but something tells me if it was 1000 dollars, people would bite.
If this is something that is in fact possible, it is something that we would have to make sure that we make reasonable efforts to make sure that those of us getting badges are in fact responsible. Nothing is 100 percent, what we want to avoid are people getting permits who then go around like they are royality. That type of behavior is what burns sheriffs. Nicki |
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Interesting concept. I'd go in for some bucks. I do know that there are a number of agencies that just relaxed their standards for reserve sworn officers, maybe for this reason.
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Just like the OLL "loophole"
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Really? Which Agencies?
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I spent $600 for a regular, highly restricted, single-weapon, two year CCW...and was denied. As a resident of the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia, I hoped against hope...but completely expected the decision. I decided to make the sacrifice as part of my ongoing battle for 2A. If there was a LEGAL, solid, honest, LASTING way to secure a National CCW...I would pay far more than $600.00. Sadly this is just a fantasy unless / or until SHALL ISSUE is achieved. Even then, it would not be nationally recognized.
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I absolutely hate people who tell you what cannot be done, they slow down the people who are actually getting things done, generally. I come from entrepreneurship as a career and everyone always wants to tell you why your idea is stupid/crazy/whatever. Oh and then when it works (and you make a lot of money) they tell you how they were actually helping. Forget all the people who tell you how it cannot be done and let's do it. Nay sayers are generally people clinging to some small sliver of thought that they are in fact special and important well beyond the general population.
I do think many of you are not thinking the economics of this entirely through ... you have states such as Illinois (of which I am a co-resident) that has NO CCW permitting. So beyond our little sliver of CA there are far more restrictive states not to mention the problems found in other states previously mentioned like TX. We are talking about a NATIONALLY recognized permit, that makes even the best CCW look like a child's toy. I think there is a TON more money here than any one has calculated. I would want some guarantees beyond that of the mayor's office though. A lawyer would need to work this out and I am betting there would be enough money to "adopt" a number of towns nationwide. If this could be buttoned up tight by a decent legal team, this would be fun times even if it didn't stand very long. I know they are considered looney but has anyone looked into asking the Oath Keepers about this? Many of them as I recall are law enforcement and probably would help in pointing us in a helpful direction. I cannot wait to see if this has legs beyond a discussion on this board, its a wonderful idea on so many levels. Oh and for those of you rambling on about Mike Carona ... #1 he was not found guilty on any charge involving CCW's, a man is innocent until proven guilty and he was clearly not proven guilty on any of those related charges, he was proven guilty on a charge in no way related to CCW's. #2 he was a sheriff, people here are talking about going a level or two above that station to the actual creators of the local laws not the enforcers of them, huge difference #3 these would be legally sanctioned LEO's not under the table dealings, it would be created under colour of law and would be done openly, that is the beauty of the plan. |
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$500 I would be a shoe in. $1000 would be doable.
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I have a feeling that some of the backlash against the idea is coming from people with something to lose if they were to "fix" HR218 should this idea be workable.
That being said, I dont think they could do a whole lot to HR218 without losing backing from C's.O.P., police unions, etc. Any ensuing fight 'might' force the police organizations to fight alongside us gunnies rather than fight against us for once. |
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I resent the fact, that we the people are forced to have to think about how to "game" the system to be able to exercise a right granted to all of us by our constitution. Last time I checked it didn't read you have the right to keep and bare arms, but if you want to carry that arm concealed you have to obtain a permit to do it. What we need to do, is get all of the unconstitutional laws repealed, staring with the crappy NFA laws!! |
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595 people @ $1000 each buys http://www.alberttexas.com/home/ Last edited by choprzrul; 11-10-2009 at 3:59 PM.. |
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The justification is to continue receiving paychecks. It is that simple for the most part, with some nuances here and there.
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See! Tons of towns for sale! Then total responsibility lies with the commission running it for us.
Oh and guys don't just think about CCW... No high cap magazine laws DEPARTMENT ISSUED AW PERMITS???? maybe? NO ROSTER! So many more advantages. Hell, as it turns out we might all be eligible for federal benefits for LEOs and a retirement plan sponsored by the town we create through the funding for the town! There is always going to be a list of people who want to be a cop in "our town" and not many expenses since the town is two blocks and a "police department" Gotta pay someone to man the phones and fax machine there though...
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So no, you won't catch me paying as much as someone living in NY or CA would be willing to. It would be nice for me to get it, but I wouldn't break the bank getting it done since the cost/benefit would skew too far to the "cost" side. |
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