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Old 10-12-2017, 12:39 AM
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Default Revolver (e.g. LCR) vs Semi-Auto (e.g. LC9)

All,

New California resident, looking into CCW options.

I've read a lot about pocket carry:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1385595
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1017682
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...ket-carry.html
http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/...ket-carry.html

And it seems that *most* consider single-stack 9mm semi-automatic pistols (e.g. Glock 43, Ruger LC9, Smith & Wesson Shield, etc) to be slightly too large for pocket carry. The only exception seems to be the Kahr PM9/CM9.

However, *most* also consider a lightweight revolver (e.g. Ruger LCR, Smith & Wesson J-frame) to be ideal for pocket carry. (One even called the Smith & Wesson 442 the "king of pocket carry".)

I don't understand:


What's going on?
1. Sure, the LCR is bigger, but it's less "boxy" and looks less like a gun in someone's front pocket?
2. Sure, the LCR is bigger, but it weighs a lot less than an LC9?
3. Revolver guys tend to be "old school" -- so even though revolvers are empirically bigger, they just like their perceived advantages (e.g. simplicity, ability to fire within the pocket, etc)?

Not trying to start a flame war or get into a revolver vs. semi-auto debate. Genuinely trying to understand what's going on here -- why is it "conventional wisdom" that the LC9 is too big for pocket carry, but the LCR is ideal?

Respectfully,
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Old 10-12-2017, 8:18 AM
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Drawing a hammerless revolver is easier due to the profile of the rear. As you take your grip on a gun like the lc9 the part of the slide that extends past frame tends to press/hook against the seam of the pocket opening snagging a bit.

Obviously all pockets are different.

However lcr9 rounded boomerang shape doesn't snag on that seam.
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Old 10-12-2017, 9:29 AM
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Drawing a hammerless revolver is easier due to the profile of the rear. As you take your grip on a gun like the lc9 the part of the slide that extends past frame tends to press/hook against the seam of the pocket opening snagging a bit.

Obviously all pockets are different.

However lcr9 rounded boomerang shape doesn't snag on that seam.
That was both coherent and comprehensive -- thank you.

Thus, it's Reason #1: yes, dimensionally (length, height, width), the LC9 ("too big for pocket carry!") is a tad smaller than the LCR ("snubnose revolvers are the king of pocket carry!"), but the difference is the latter has the right shape for pocket carry.

I get it. I still think the cylinder is awfully fat for pocket carry, but I get it.
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Old 10-12-2017, 1:41 PM
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Iíve been pocket carrying an LCR for >6 years. No problems. I carry in the front regular pocket of cargo pants, usually. I use a good custom made Mikaís pocket holster. Best pocket holster Iíve ever tried.


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I pocket carry a LC9 all the time. I wouldnít attempt to pocket carry anything larger. Typically, the biggest complaint of the LC9 is the trigger. Given that it has greater capacity than the LCR, and itís so flat, I think itís the better choice.

One advantage the revolver has, though, is with the moon clips loading and unloading is easier. This may be a consideration if you have to frequently unload to enter schools. Pulling out a revolver clip is much more discreet in a car than monkeying with detachable magazines and ejected cartridges. Ultimately, it depends on your personal needs.
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Old 10-16-2017, 11:39 AM
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I do not pocket carry, but if I were, it would be my Centennial, as that's a smooth and clean gun where nothing can snag and cause problems. A Bodyguard or LCR would work equally well. If there's one perfect gun for pocket carry, it's a snubby.
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Old 10-18-2017, 2:22 PM
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I could probably carry the LC9 in my front pocket in SOME of my pants, but probably not all of them. I have carried a G43 and an XD-s 3.3 in SOME of my pants, but it does not work well with all my pockets. Additionally, I hated the trigger on the original DAO hammer fired LC9 that I got rid of it when it was still essentially brand new, so I personally wouldn't even bother trying to make an LC9 work.....the striker fired LC9S, however, is a whole different story. If you can find one of those, I think it would be worth using for concealed carry in some form or another, but again, depending on the size of your pockets, (and your pants, and the size of the person carrying it), it may not work as well for pocket carry.

Also, I tend to prefer DeSantis Superfly holsters for pocket carry. They have a square flap that sits between the holster and the front facing side of your pocket, and it does a remarkable job of breaking up the outline and making it look more like a phone or a wallet than a gun. However, I definitely recommend lots of practicing on your draw stroke so that you can blade your hand and run you fingertips quickly and efficiently along the rear curve and down the side of the grip between the grip and the flap.....but they work wonders, especially with larger pocket pistols, for reducing printing.
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