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To them, those are “your facts.” They have theirs. Just like the climate change “facts.” You trying to argue against a liberal anti CCW machine in CA. Your facts don’t makes sense to them. Move to a CCW friendly county. Easy peasy |
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A LIBERAL ELITES WORST FEAR is to be grouped with climate change deniers and anti-vaxxers. And to be labeled a DATA SCIENCE DENIER. They will turn into dust like a Vampire that sees sunlight. Guaranteed. |
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LA is full of communities that don't make the mainstream press. It's nothing new for an Angelino to go against the mainstream. Lindsey supporters put Villanueva into office. He knows that. Villanueva owes Lindsey supporters some of his time. |
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Especially for an Angelino in Texas
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Texas was great. Welcome to the mainstream there!
LAPD is under control of the City Council, the most corrupt city council in America. No way CCW will happen there. LASD, you had Lindsey supporters as the swing vote. Last edited by concealcarrypizza; 12-30-2018 at 10:33 PM.. |
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AV is a politician now that he is Sheriff. His views will change or be changed. Even though he is the top elected official in the county. The influences are heavy of those with a dog in the fight, especially when it comes to guns and liberal laws.
He already wants to throw ICE out of the jails. Does that sound conservative? As in a conservative that wants to allow CCWs. |
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AV didn't run as a "conservative." He ran to get ICE out of the jails and to issue more CCWs than McDonnell, but fewer than Lindsey would. During the campaign AV highlighted that he is a Dem.
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Over the last sixty years, the left has thoroughly co-opted academia. To a leftist, the gun issue is just as much settled as evolution: both are facts, guns are bad, and we're all the result of a long series of happy accidents (evolution). There is just no questioning or disputing of either "fact" allowed any more, because both are based on "science." You can't realistically expect academia-- the leftist equivalent of Vatican City in the leftist secular religion-- to reverse itself overnight on a settled "fact" like "guns are bad," any more than you could realistically expect the real Vatican City to reverse itself on the celibacy of the priesthood. Quote:
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Oh yeah sorry. I was being sarcastic since they were talking about how dems were anti CCW. Failed attempt at sarcasm. I was trying to say he wasn’t exactly CCW friendly. Issuing one to someone who is not sworn and not a donor would be more the Jimbo. |
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LASD's new CCW Policy is out!
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The new LASD CCW policy is out: http://lasd.org/pdfjs/CCW_Licensing_Policy_Jan_2019.pdf Looks pretty much the same as the old one, but since AV claims he'll actually issue according to it, LA Co is light red on the CA CCW GC map now. Wish I could say yellow, but can't. Time will tell as people apply and get issued or denied and post about their experiences.
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For anyone who wants to compare the old (2018 Aug 01) CCW Policy to the new one (2019 Jan 01), a copy of the key/Good Cause parts of each of them with link to source document webpage. I tried to copy & paste them in toto, but since they lose their formatting, it becomes a mess with many lines having only a word or two....
2018/McDonnell: Quote:
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http://lasd.org/pdfjs/CCW_Licensing_Policy_Jan_2019.pdf
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 01-04-2019 at 2:52 PM.. |
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I'm still editing/formatting. I'll let you compare them as I do that....
FWIW I do NOT live in LA Co....
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Done! Another full hour spent/wasted on a county I don't even live in doing what CGNers who do live there won't do for themselves.... (Is Paladin getting tired of wiping other adults ...es? Yes, Paladin is getting tired of wiping other adults' ...es....)
Now that they've been properly transcribed/transferred to CGN, I'll let LA Co people compare them and let the rest of us know if there's ANY changes, either good or bad. (Of course there's probably changes to training requirements since the state changed the law on that.)
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 01-04-2019 at 2:57 PM.. |
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Haha good work sir! I’m sure no one in LA will appreciate it as you would expect I say that in jest of course. Next they going to want you to do their homework! Last edited by Yodaman; 01-04-2019 at 5:49 PM.. |
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http://lasd.org/ccw_info.html
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Thanks for the link. I'll give this application a go and see how it turns out. |
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Maybe it liked Jim McDonald better |
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According to WinMerge, the only difference is as follows: Quote:
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I applied for a CCW over a year ago and as expected, was denied by Jim McDonnell's office. I was a victim of a stalker (a disgruntled ex-client). I have a clean record, submitted strong evidence to accompany my statement of good cause, including many photographs of my stalker parking outside of workplace and home with time stamps, copies of email threats from the stalker, text messages with neighbors, and even moved to a different area, to no avail. I genuinely feared for the safety of myself and my young family, but it was not enough for Jim McDonnell. I am not sure even if my kid was harmed, it would convince McDonnell. I have not applied again since. I would try again now that Villanueva is in office, but I am afraid getting rejected again. Getting rejected too many times cannot look good on my record, since the application asks if you have applied before and the reason for the past rejection. Upon reviewing the "updated" policy under Villanueva, I did not see anything that is signicantly different as a practical matter. I guess my only option is to wait and see how others fare under Villanueva. Moving to Orange County is not an option at the moment. It is really frustrating.
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What “record” are you talking about? Like with CADOJ? And why are you worried about getting denied again. Do you tho k it will affect you if you ever ally in another county? |
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Why are you "afraid" of a denial? You just have to explain the reason for it (lack of GC per McDonnell's GC standard). Since Villenueve claims he'll use a different GC standard, that denial won't matter. You may not have to move to OC. IIRC, there are cities within LA Co that issue more readily than LASD. The best example is LAPD for the City of Los Angeles has a more liberal CCW policy than LASD had under McDonnell (but that's not saying much). Torrance is another city to look into, as is Glendale/Glendora (I always mix those up). West Covina was trying, but I'm don't think they were successful. If nothing else, we should win a "right to bear arms" from SCOTUS probably before 2020 July 01, but maybe 2021. If you want to do something worthwhile for all LA Co CGNers, rather than just complain/whine, you can do what I did for Santa Clara Co CGNers (no, I don't live in Santa Clara Co or know folks who do), and make up a list of ALL incorporated cities, then find out which ones have their own PDs and of those find out which ones issue CCWs and provide information about each of them. See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1473741
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240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives. Last edited by Paladin; 01-13-2019 at 8:09 AM.. |
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This applies to EVERYONE in LA Co.
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Sorry for not being clear, I meant my background record is clean, except for some minor traffic tickets, i.e. speeding. I guess I am not sure how having been rejected before will affect the chances of success in subsequent application(s), either in the same county or in a different county. In my mind, I was thinking that they surely have a record that I have applied once before. If past rejection plays an important factor in their decisions in the new application, I was worried that they might think that (1) if the good cause was not sufficient before, why would it be sufficient now, and (2) since it has been over a year since the first application was denied, maybe the exigent circumstances that would have warranted a CCW at that time have now passed. I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's opinion on this. |
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You are given the opportunity to explain any answers given, nobody is a saint. Being rejected by LACO/LAC for lack of good cause will have no impact on whether you are approved or rejected by a pro-issue county, and will be unlikely to have any impact on reapplication should issue policy change in your current county/city.
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Thanks for your comments and tips! I really appreciate it. I read a lot of your past posts too, and they all have been really helpful. As I explained in my reply to Yodaman, I guess I was afraid how much weight the rejection of my first application will be taken into account. My concern was what if because there was a record of having a rejection before, they might think that if the good cause was not sufficient before when the concern for safety was really fresh, it may not be enough now since more time has passed. I was concerned that they may believe that the exigent circumstances that may have warranted a CCW then, no longer exist now. Then again, this is all my subjective conjecture. |
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Until then, just carry pepper spray and obey the 4-S Rule, which you should be doing already and should continue to do even after getting a CCW and EDCing.
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I don’t think the rejection is itself is a reason why you would be denied by another county. UNLESS the reason is a reason that would carry over in an application somewhere else (w.g. Recent tickets, etc...)
But as Paladin said, they will use any info they get to make up their own mind. If you not applying for a job where that would really matter anytime soon. Apply away. |
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A CCW is not a permit to be a cowboy. If anything, it forces you to be more careful. In many ways, the attitude and behavior that go along with having a CCW make it less likely that you will need to use your weapon. Situational awareness, avoiding shady locations, staying away from shady people. The 4-S rule should be printed on the back of every CCW Avoid: Stupid People Stupid Places Stupid Things Stupid Times Violating one presents an increased risk of needing to defend yourself. Violating three almost guarantees a situation sooner rather than later. Violating four means you're a typical college student.
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Haha 4S rule....that’s awesome! |
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You guys are great. Thanks for the comments. I am glad I found this supportive community. I am learning a lot for sure.
On the disclosure, yes, I did disclose everything, including the last speeding ticket in 2002 which was resolved. No rock was left unturned in my first application. I wanted to make sure everything was transparent. I was just surprised that even with my real circumstances, the good cause standard was so high that it was not sufficient. |
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That's because you probably never read what the California State Auditor found re. LASD/McDonnell during their audit of Sacto, LA and SD SOs' CCW practices: McDonnell didn't follow his own policy in 25 out of 25 CCW applications inspected.
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You're right, I have never read about that. That is crazy. I will have to find that article on the internet and read up on it.
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