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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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Throughout modern history registration of firearms has been used as a beginning tactic to eventually commit mass murder by political leaders. Registration can lead to disarming people and once the populace is defenseless it makes it much easier for the government to control those people.
People don't like the government knowing what they own.... |
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Who the hell would want to be on a govt list that says you own an "assault weapon"? Imagine if it were to become public like those journos did with CCW holders and handgun owners. For many people, the consequences could be life altering in their personal and professional lives.
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Its like my buddies whom are liberals who own AR15s; they are ashamed to admit they own one to there other liberal buddies. Thats why we have this legal debacle in the first place. When you say AR15 its like the boogie man just came knocking; we only have ourselves to blame that the AR15 is the boogie man word. Cause we let that happen over the past three decades. Time to fix that. Its a image/label issue thats gone out of proportion. When CNN talks about the AWB they talk about flame throwers, bazukas, and the weapon of war aka AR15. Why do they bring in flame throwers and bazukas into the debate; that always got into my nerves cause those words that are irrelevant to a AWB play into peoples emotions to support an AWB. Its just like hunters who hide behind the shadow of hunting and there hunting rifles; those hunting rifles will be painted as sniper rifles in the coming years. Last edited by Khyber; 03-22-2013 at 11:04 PM.. |
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I'd like to hear those who think CA is such a great state tell me how this happening in so many other states (CO the new liberal flight zone is exempt from my comment as are the liberal bastions NY and NJ). And I say this as one who is socially liberal (as in one's own "business" not harming others) but cannot stand the liberal position on my liberties any longer.
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"We are entering the critical period when these bills will be debated, amended, and either rejected or passed on to the governor. Last year with SB249, I watched in horror, as contributors to this forum posted questions and criticisms that assisted the author of the bill in rewriting his proposed legislation into a more lethal attack on our Second Amendment rights. Many tried to warn these posters to stop it. But these anxiety ridden foolish people just couldn't control themselves. And, today, it appears they still can't stop. There needs to be some kind of built-in delay on postings to allow the moderators of this forum enough time to screen out the dangerous stuff. Until then I'll ask these offenders one more time to: STOP IT! THINK BEFORE YOU POST! FIRST ASK YOURSELF WHETHER IT WILL HELP OR HURT OUR CAUSE. AND, MOST IMPORTANT, IF IN DOUBT – DON'T POST IT!" |
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let us know how a pistol is better or a shotgun. either way your hearing is messed up for a while.
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http://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php Thank your neighbor and fellow gun owners for passing Prop 63. For that gun control is a winning legislative agenda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6Dj8tdSC1A contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. NRA Life Member. |
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the other solution, and it seemed obvious enough to 90% of the owners last time around, is that if you dont want to end up on the list you just dont register it and dont talk to people about it |
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January 1 - July 1, 2014 is the registration period. You would have had to acquired it prior to January 1, 2014. Therefore anything acquired on or after January 1, 2014 would need to meet the new definition. I still don't understand 100% about the BB. I read it a few times and the language isn't 100% clear to me. I "think" it's worded such that your rifles in question would need to meet the definition at the time you purchased them. IOW, if your BB was required at the time you purchased it then that is how it would need to remain if you register it between Jan 1 - July 1, 2014. History has proven that the majority of people won't register or turn in their weapons. They will be keep them stashed away, kept secret and passed down to next generations. |
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The more prohibitions you have, the less virtuous people will be. The more subsidies you have, the less self reliant people will be. -Lao-Tzu, Tau Te Ching. 479 BCE The 1911 may have been in wars for 100 years, but Masetro Bartolomeo Beretta was arming the world 400 years before John Browning was ever a wet dream. |
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I'm not a lawyer, but I easily see 5-6 different points that can be argued in courts as unconstitutional (separate from the 2A of course). If you see it too, shut up. Let's try to beat them in the legislative process. If that fails, their mistakes can be beat in court.
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well i'm not selling or giving anything up.these gun grabbing libtards can go and eat a big dick! as far as i'm concerned .
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Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. -- James Madison The Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms. -- Samuel Adams, Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 86-87 (Pearce and Hale, eds., Boston, 1850) |
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sounds like this opens up RAW again.. once RAW you can't xfer to anyone.. hence trust.
once raw. its RAW . so no more rules xcept NFA. If this passes. I'm not sure how much more patience i will have. There will be organization of the ..........
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This proposed law also implies that people who register their bullet button rifles will be able to exchange the bullet button for a regular magazine release. |
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So did this POS bill really pass? Do I now have to register my BB'ed WASR?
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So what committee is currently hearing this and who should we be calling to complain about it?
No, but all they have to do is audit 4473s at the dealers to figure out who has what, and then start making calls if/when that rifle doesn't end up registered. |
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That would be a real cluster as well. Imagine how many folks have legally sold to out of state buyers?? CA certainly wouldn't know about that....they might be accusing people of owning rifles they don't own anymore.
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Please read http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=701762
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(5) The department shall establish procedures for the purpose of
carrying out this subdivision. These procedures shall be exempt from the Administrative Procedure Act. Hmmmm....
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The NRA at the state level doesn't seem to be updating their website with the latest info, the last update was 2/6/2013. I always thought they were more concerned with our rights at a federal level anyways.
http://nramemberscouncils.com/legs.s...sb47&year=2013
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It's unlikely to come to that. More likely they wait until you use it in public. If you are afraid to ever bring it out in public, that's almost as good as banning it.
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The funny (not so funny) thing about this. If a large % of gun owners would rebel, they would incarcerate us and then need to release many of the real criminals due to over crowding. |
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Also seconding this. |
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