Arsenal SGL-21 $499

[freakshow10mm]

Perfectly legal. We are acting as a distributor. A firearm can pass through as many FFLs as possible before final transfer to a customer.

[unclejesse]

Originally Posted by freakshow10mm

I can be the middleman. Next business day shipping.

$65 if I provide the lock. Includes transfer, lock, shipping & insurance.

$40 if you provide the lock (non-evasive, bolt on only). Includes transfer, installation, shipping and insurance.

how do we go about sending payment?

[unclejesse]

Originally Posted by qbertquartz2

If any of you guys end up buying one, get the SGL21-66 or SGL21-76.
Reason being those have a true Russian 100 series ak-103 front sight block. All the other ones use a 74 style front sight block.

There are some advantages of the 74 front sight though. You can use a bulgarian muzzle nut instead of a muzzle brake to make it more handy.

so whats the difference between these two?

[freakshow10mm]

Originally Posted by unclejesse

how do we go about sending payment?

http://www.freakshowbullets.com/index.php?cPath=72

[ck867]

can anybody confirm if K-var will ship a rifle to our middle man FFL if our credit card billing address is from California?

[SPUTTER]

Considering how popular these rifles are here, it doesnt make good business sense NOT to deal with Californians. Whose running this company? Are they even informed on the laws? It almost sounds like a personal vendetta.

[professorhard]

How do we pay for these if they don't accept cards/checks with billing address in CA?

[SPUTTER]

Originally Posted by professorhard

How do we pay for these if they don't accept cards/checks with billing address in CA?

Send money to an FFL in another state, then he buys and ships to FFL in CA.

[drummerdude1188]

I would highly recommend using Henderson Defense as a middle man. They have always been %100 reliable in transferring my guns, and have always been quick as well. Never had my guns or money tied up in limbo. Not to mention they are close to k-var/arsenal. Last time I checked their transfer fees were pretty low too.

[hoozaru]

tagged for future group buy

[Beatone]

Originally Posted by ck867

can anybody confirm if K-var will ship a rifle to our middle man FFL if our credit card billing address is from California?

They use to take CC from Ca but not anymore. After I bought some of there parts kits they put up in red letters will not accept Ca billing.

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

We can ship the Arsenal rifles to another state but just not to CA unfortunately Arsenal will not let us ship to CA dealers.

[professorhard]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Firearms.com

We can ship the Arsenal rifles to another state but just not to CA unfortunately Arsenal will not let us ship to CA dealers.

Can you bill our cards if the billing address is in CA? And will you be offering them for close to the same price as K-var has?

[Henry Hill]

OP what gun are you referring to? I don't see and SGL 21 but I do see a 61 and 71.. Which one is better? Also they ship with 5 rounders

[Beatone]

Originally Posted by Henry Hill

OP what gun are you referring to? I don't see and SGL 21 but I do see a 61 and 71.. Which one is better? Also they ship with 5 rounders

http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.ph...cat=353&page=1

[hoozaru]

so....

Arsenal => Atlantic => Freakshow => us ???

[freakshow10mm]

That would be the most expensive route. Cheapest would be Arsenal=>me=>you. That is if no one rats me out to Kvar.

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

We do not care where the payment is made from but per our agreement with Arsenal we can not ship their rifles to CA dealers .

[professorhard]

Originally Posted by freakshow10mm

That would be the most expensive route. Cheapest would be Arsenal=>me=>you. That is if no one rats me out to Kvar.

So a CA customer would pay you the cost of the rifle + transfer fee then you order it from Arsenal, receive it, take the PG off then send it to our CA dealer?

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

We would have to agree with Freakshow it would be less expensive to only involve them & your CA dealer if you have to many people it will add to ship & handling cost etc.

[freakshow10mm]

Would you honor any little group buy thing where the CA customers order through you at the Kvar price then use me as a middle man? Is there any room there?

[Dump1567]

The problem I see is payment. K-Var won't accept payment from CA. So payment needs to go through a middleman. And by the time that happens, all these rifles may be sold. (These are being discussed on several gun forums.)

[elSquid]

Originally Posted by Dump1567

The problem I see is payment. K-Var won't accept payment from CA. So payment needs to go through a middleman. And by the time that happens, all these rifles may be sold. (These are being discussed on several gun forums.)

It appears that $500 is the everyday-walmart-low-price:

http://www.arsenalinc.com/sgl21.htm

Anyways, that's my excuse for not buying right now.



Oh, and it looks like http://www.ellettbrothers.com/ is listed as another source for these...

-- Michael

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

Elletts is a wholesale distributor and does not take retail orders , the prices are so new that no company is going to have these in stock at the NEW prices excpet Kvar , we paid $300 -$400 more for some of our rifles and could not sell them for $500 unless Arsenal comps us the $$$ , So all of the distributors and dealers with existing inventory that was bought in at a much higer price are screwed including our firm .

[freakshow10mm]

Yeah, I figured as I looked at RSR, Zanders, etc and they're all much higher at dealer pricing. Kvar is screwing over their dealers on this one. That sucks.

[elSquid]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Firearms.com

Elletts is a wholesale distributor and does not take retail orders , the prices are so new that no company is going to have these in stock at the NEW prices excpet Kvar , we paid $300 -$400 more for some of our rifles and could not sell them for $500 unless Arsenal comps us the $$$ , So all of the distributors and dealers with existing inventory that was bought in at a much higer price are screwed including our firm .

Yup, and customers who bought in the last couple of months are probably not too happy either.

As for Elletts, I figure that calgunners can call their favorite out of state FFLs and arrange something.

-- Michael

[Atlantic Firearms.com]

Freakshow , you should try talking with Kvar/ Arsenal direct and see what if any discounts they have on the rifles, the prices are so ridiculously low we do not know how they could have a lower dealer / distributor price.We are a direct dealer with them and they have not updated us yet if there will be any discounts for dealers or distributors . There are going to be a bunch of pissed of dealers & distributors out there that will feel like the rug just got pulled out from under them because they are now sitting on rifles that they would have to loose $350 on just to sell them.

[norcal-ar]

well as soon as someone has a for sure plan im ready to buy im staring at my cc as we speak!LOL

[freakshow10mm]

Originally Posted by Atlantic Firearms.com

Freakshow , you should try talking with Kvar/ Arsenal direct and see what if any discounts they have on the rifles, the prices are so ridiculously low we do not know how they could have a lower dealer / distributor price.We are a direct dealer with them and they have not updated us yet if there will be any discounts for dealers or distributors . There are going to be a bunch of pissed of dealers & distributors out there that will feel like the rug just got pulled out from under them because they are now sitting on rifles that they would have to loose $350 on just to sell them.

I'm not really in the business of dealing in guns. I already faxed my FFL to them yesterday for a transfer so we'll see what happens. I will contact them on Monday for S&G. They are also on my list of people to visit at SHOT.

[norcal-ar]

freakshow let us know i want to get one comming

[GoingPro]

i paid $830 for mine in june man this sucks

[freakshow10mm]

Originally Posted by norcal-ar

freakshow let us know i want to get one comming

I'll see what I can do.

[supermario]

I say the Hell with Arsenal and their $500, the price is a really great price but they dont wanna sell to California, they lowered their prices so low, they screwed over all their loyal dealers. I just bought a SGL for a couple hundred more than their great price and i feel damm good about it becus my $ is going to Cold War Shooters, Pirate has always been good to me and given me good deals. Id rather support a local dealer than to save a couple hundred and a headach for transfering it all over the dam country. I say boycott Arsenal and buy up all the SGL from Cali vendors only... Give your $ to the people that are willing to sell to us.

[someR1]

Originally Posted by supermario

I say the Hell with Arsenal and their $500, the price is a really great price but they dont wanna sell to California, they lowered their prices so low, they screwed over all their loyal dealers. I just bought a SGL for a couple hundred more than their great price and i feel damm good about it becus my $ is going to Cold War Shooters, Pirate has always been good to me and given me good deals. Id rather support a local dealer than to save a couple hundred and a headach for transfering it all over the dam country. I say boycott Arsenal and buy up all the SGL from Cali vendors only... Give your $ to the people that are willing to sell to us.

lol that is an idiotic state of mind...people are going to buy from companies that have good deals. If they ship the gun to a middleman in a timely manner then technically they are good businessmen. A lot of companies don't want to dick with CA because of our stupid @sshat laws, and who could blame them?

[strangerdude]

still can't get over this awesome deal

[Bucky G]

those prices are for the x39 rifles
I looked on the website and it seems the 5.45's are still up there at 800 bucks
is this right or am I looking in the wrong place?

[strangerdude]

yeah 545 are still up there

[lineman66]

Originally Posted by Bucky G

those prices are for the x39 rifles
I looked on the website and it seems the 5.45's are still up there at 800 bucks
is this right or am I looking in the wrong place?

Yes, their converted saiga 5.45 rifles are still hovering around 800, their bulgarian 5.45 rifles are now $699 (on sale), which is still a bit expensive given how the SGL-21's are 200 lower.

The SGL-21-66 with the Midwest Industries Rail system certainly looks nice.

[supermario]

Originally Posted by someR1

lol that is an idiotic state of mind...people are going to buy from companies that have good deals. If they ship the gun to a middleman in a timely manner then technically they are good businessmen. A lot of companies don't want to dick with CA because of our stupid @sshat laws, and who could blame them?

Thats the idiotic state of mind, just becus our laws are bad, they dont sell to california. There are alot of companies willing to sell to us and its really a big loss to them becus we would be buying their rifles up like crazy. They are the idiots. I love good deals but not to a company thats full of *****. I guess saving $ is everything for you.. Not everybody is about $$ and I am not rich either. But I can understand why people would jump all over this deal.

By the way thanks for calling me an idiot

[gatdammit]

How do these guys justify the price drop for those customers that (by present standards) have overpaid for their rifles? Ouch... I guess if it's that great a rifle it wouldn't matter, but I would be pretty vexed.