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San Benito and Fresno counties -- both neighbors of Monterey Co. -- switched to accepting self-defense as Good Cause a couple of years ago and have not had any problems that I've heard about.
Anyone know if that (along w/41 Shall Issue states) influenced the Monterey Co sheriff in liberalizing issuance?
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Yes, You can apply.
What is asked, is that you can report back as to your experience with the application process. Please contact Wildhawker, or goober.. |
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news coming soon.
information is being gathered on the nature of the application/interview/evaluation process. as expected, it appears to go far beyond what is allowed under PC12051 and is significantly invasive and onerous. that being said, we have yet to see whether the new policy will result in actual LTCs being issued. but the issuance rate couldn't be much worse than it was under the previous policy.
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I've been out of the loop for about 6 months, the thread was a heck of a good read.
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Have you applied for an LTC in Monterey County?
As discussed previously in this thread, MCSO finally began accepting LTC applications a couple months ago, under their newly unveiled "shall issue" policy.
The new policy is apparently what most would consider shall-issue with respect to the good cause (GC) requirement, but far from it when it comes to establishing good moral character (GMC). Personal defense is (supposedly) being accepted as GC. But the GMC evaluation involves a series of invasive and intrusive interviews (both for the applicant and their employer/coworkers/neighbors), home visits, voice stress analyses, psychological evaluations, and the like, most of which go far beyond what is allowable under PC 12050-12054. They are basically subjecting LTC applicants to the same process and scrutiny that prospective MCSO sheriff's deputy applicants must undergo. But if you've read this thread you know all this already. Now that the policy has been in effect for some time, we need to begin compiling information regarding peoples' experiences with the application process. By collecting these data we can better understand how the new MCSO policy really performs in practice vs. theory. So, if you have applied, please PM me and share as much as you are willing regarding your experience. If you've received your LTC, we need to know. If you were denied, it will help to know that too. And any observations regarding the actual experience itself are invaluable. How were you treated? Was it casual, relaxed, and pleasant, stressful and scary, or somewhere in between? How long did each step, and the total process, take? And if you have not applied (due to the cost, invasive nature of the GMC tests, or any other reason), but wish you could, please communicate that as well. Anything you share will be held in strict confidence. It is not necessary to reveal any personal information regarding identity or anything else. Thank you all for your help with this project.
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Sunday morning bump for the weekend folks.
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Stay tuned as we gather more data on grantings & denials now that applications are being accepted.
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Feels weird to quote myself, but...
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Keep 'em comin'!
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Thank You.
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I move up there in January and will begin the process as soon as I can. I'll be up there in December to find a place to live, so maybe I'll stop by the Sherriff's Department (in Salinas?) to start the process. |
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By the time your ready to apply, the LTC Ambassador program should be well underway, so there will be plenty of info and help available should you need it.
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Bump for updates from any applicants willing to share their experience. PM me with any info please.
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I found a place to live (in Monterey) last week and will be moving there on the 1st. I plan to swing by the Sheriff's Office on the 2nd.
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I plan on applying... but just unsure yet. Partly because I may be going overseas sooner or later so it might not be worth it. When I was stationed in the good ole state of North Carolina I had a CCW, and I totally miss exercising my right to carry!!! Monterey county has been my main home of residence for over 10 years now but if I have to leave for work I might miss any interviews that would be required.
I don't know how the whole talking to your neighbors thing would work with me. I honestly don't even know who my neighbors are and they don't know me either. |
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Interview and fingerprinting is complete, it's pretty thorough. I need to schedule an appointment with a psychotherapist and need to fire my weapons (that I want to carry) at a range to get a certificate stating that I can qualify with my weapons. The process to get approved could take up to 90 days. I'll post back when I have an update.
So far out of pocket expense is $135. The psychotherapist will be about $150, and then range will be about $50, not counting my own ammo expense. |
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Also, ParadigmGuy, did you have the home/neighbor/workplace visits/interviews yet, and if so, how did those go?
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Interesting to see how this process plays out for you ParadigmGuy and I certainly hope they approve you for an LTC! My gut feeling is that your standing as member of the military will go a long way for the MCSO. As a longtime resident of Monterey County it is certainly nice to see the MCSO opening up (even if just a little bit) on the LTC front. That said, I honestly still do not expect the MCSO to issue too many permits despite the increased transparency simply because many of us interested in getting an LTC would probably have our applications stymied by our neighbors.
Regardless, I wish I still lived permanently in Monterey County as I would try my luck at applying regardless. Unfortunately Santa Clara County where I now reside has a less than stellar record when it comes to issuing CCWs. Last edited by DC-8; 01-22-2012 at 1:40 PM.. |
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Not going to waste my time till I can apply without having to explain to my coworkers and boss why I think I need to have a CCW. I'm sure everyone knows how the stigma behind owning guns is played out in california workplaces.
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I would rather not have to prove anything and I am certainly not going to lapse into that mentality. That said, I am faced with a difficult choice, to apply for a CCW and tacitly accept this kind of scrutiny into my life or to not apply and continue to fight for more sane standards. I can't honestly fault anyone for their decision one way or the other but it is a difficult choice and one that I should not have to make in the first place. As long as these onerous "good character" requirements are in place however, it is my firm belief, unfortunately, that members of the military will get a significant leg up in their applications, simply because their character will not face as much initial suspicion as that of an average citizen of this county. I believe that within the MCSO especially and all law enforcement agencies more generally (where their are naturally fair number of ex-military folks) there is a general assumption that simply being a current or former member of the military attaches an aura of infallibility to one's "good character" requirement on a CCW application. Of course, it is a very sad day that I have to even give credence to the idea that one faces "initial suspicion" in one's right to defend oneself. |
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CGF in the news re Monterey County: http://www.montereyherald.com/local/...s-gets-tighter
Ref'ed letter: http://calgunsfoundation.org/resourc...-monterey.html -Brandon
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Thanks for posting this link wildhawker!
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New Sheriff policies are WORSE.
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From the raw numbers of granted versus turndowns, it looks WORSE! |
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dont be so quick to make that bet, many a deputies there do a fair amount of shooting
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Applicants 'were' going through, Voice Stress Analysis, not sure if thats across the board any longer, might have changed to Polygraph
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