Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > POLITICS, LITIGATION AND ACTIVISM > National 2nd Amend. Political & Legal Discussion
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

National 2nd Amend. Political & Legal Discussion Discuss national gun rights and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #961  
Old 11-01-2017, 6:05 AM
press1280 press1280 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: WV
Posts: 2,280
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I don't believe the number of course sponsors is really relevant anymore. We know it can pass the House. It should get all GOP votes and a few dems.
  #962  
Old 11-01-2017, 8:33 AM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by press1280 View Post
I don't believe the number of course sponsors is really relevant anymore. We know it can pass the House. It should get all GOP votes and a few dems.
We need 218 if we want to take away any excuse for Paul Ryan to let this die a quiet death. Getting onto month eleven and a bill with this many cosponsors hasnt even been heard in front of committee. It is absurd that we need to fight this hard to even get some attention from Republicans.
  #963  
Old 11-01-2017, 2:10 PM
mit31 mit31 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 174
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

I find it odd that people are continuously acting as if there isn't an impossible 60 vote minimum required to get this through the Senate.

I understand this is the House Bill, but unless the Senate throws out the filibuster altogether, yes, this bill was dead before it was introduced, and will remain so, until the unlikely day that Republicans have 58-60 senators. Hell, they couldn't even get 50 of their 52 Senators to vote yes on the healthcare bill. (and no, I want that Filibuster in place for the day (next year or 4 yrs from now) when republicans are the minority, or all these laws will simply be undone by a majority Democrat Congress.)

You can wring your hands all you want about Paul Ryan, but if it passed the House today, this bill would be going... nowhere.

Last edited by mit31; 11-01-2017 at 2:22 PM..
  #964  
Old 11-01-2017, 5:13 PM
PMACA_MFG's Avatar
PMACA_MFG PMACA_MFG is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: California
Posts: 547
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Senate bill has 38 cosponsors
__________________
  #965  
Old 11-01-2017, 5:40 PM
Paladin's Avatar
Paladin Paladin is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFBA
Posts: 7,901
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mit31 View Post
I find it odd that people are continuously acting as if there isn't an impossible 60 vote minimum required to get this through the Senate.

I understand this is the House Bill, but unless the Senate throws out the filibuster altogether, yes, this bill was dead before it was introduced, and will remain so, until the unlikely day that Republicans have 58-60 senators. Hell, they couldn't even get 50 of their 52 Senators to vote yes on the healthcare bill. (and no, I want that Filibuster in place for the day (next year or 4 yrs from now) when republicans are the minority, or all these laws will simply be undone by a majority Democrat Congress.)

You can wring your hands all you want about Paul Ryan, but if it passed the House today, this bill would be going... nowhere.
If Ryan does not allow it to come to a vote, he's protecting antis of both parties in the Senate.

IIRC, the Repubs have about a half dozen Senators up for election in 2018 whereas the Dems have something like 23 and many of those are in "red"/conservative states. We NEED the House to pass it so that it will come up for a floor vote in the Senate. There it will smoke out closeted antis whom we (the NRA) can then target to replace in 2018.

"Lather. Rinse. Repeat" until it passes and becomes law.

Put pressure on Paul Ryan. As the Speaker of the House, he's acting on ALL our behalf and needs to hear from ALL of us!

https://paulryan.house.gov/contact/

Politicians see the light when they feel the heat.
__________________
Never mistake being delusional for being optimistic.

225+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #966  
Old 11-01-2017, 6:51 PM
dfletcher's Avatar
dfletcher dfletcher is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 12,531
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mit31 View Post
I find it odd that people are continuously acting as if there isn't an impossible 60 vote minimum required to get this through the Senate.

I understand this is the House Bill, but unless the Senate throws out the filibuster altogether, yes, this bill was dead before it was introduced, and will remain so, until the unlikely day that Republicans have 58-60 senators. Hell, they couldn't even get 50 of their 52 Senators to vote yes on the healthcare bill. (and no, I want that Filibuster in place for the day (next year or 4 yrs from now) when republicans are the minority, or all these laws will simply be undone by a majority Democrat Congress.)

You can wring your hands all you want about Paul Ryan, but if it passed the House today, this bill would be going... nowhere.
Although the public response to Las Vegas has been tepid at best regarding gun control I don't know that Congress wants "more guns" as its most notable 2017 achievement. Because that's how it will be portrayed and not in a good way. Further, while this bill has absolute opposition from nearly all Democrats we have to consider there are reservations among conservatives and gun owners too. Some may think that concern misplaced or not warranted, but it's there.
  #967  
Old 11-01-2017, 6:57 PM
John Browning's Avatar
John Browning John Browning is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Contra Costa County
Posts: 7,032
iTrader: 73 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mit31 View Post
I find it odd that people are continuously acting as if there isn't an impossible 60 vote minimum required to get this through the Senate.

I understand this is the House Bill, but unless the Senate throws out the filibuster altogether, yes, this bill was dead before it was introduced, and will remain so, until the unlikely day that Republicans have 58-60 senators. Hell, they couldn't even get 50 of their 52 Senators to vote yes on the healthcare bill. (and no, I want that Filibuster in place for the day (next year or 4 yrs from now) when republicans are the minority, or all these laws will simply be undone by a majority Democrat Congress.)

You can wring your hands all you want about Paul Ryan, but if it passed the House today, this bill would be going... nowhere.
You find it odd because you don't understand Senate rules and procedure. They could very easily get this done with 51 votes. Hell, they can do it with 50 as long as Pence votes with 2A, which he would likely do.

Pretending that the left will hold themselves to the same standards as the right because we didn't use the Senate to get things done shows a complete naivete as to how the left works.

Paul Ryan is a jackass and I'll be glad to see him out of a job in Congress come the primaries.
__________________
Securing a safe to a Post-tension slab - DIY

For Sale: H&K P30SK, Various Pre lock S&Ws, USFA Engraved gun - NorCal

Quote:
Originally Posted by KWalkerM View Post
eh why bring logic into this, that makes too much sense... besides when you have bested a fool, you have accomplished nothing and he is a fool.
  #968  
Old 11-01-2017, 7:01 PM
PMACA_MFG's Avatar
PMACA_MFG PMACA_MFG is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: California
Posts: 547
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dfletcher View Post
Although the public response to Las Vegas has been tepid at best regarding gun control I don't know that Congress wants "more guns" as its most notable 2017 achievement. Because that's how it will be portrayed and not in a good way. Further, while this bill has absolute opposition from nearly all Democrats we have to consider there are reservations among conservatives and gun owners too. Some may think that concern misplaced or not warranted, but it's there.

Quote:
We want every American to feel comfortable packing a concealed weapon? Around the country?
Yes, and Yes. Easy, no-brainer.
__________________
  #969  
Old 11-01-2017, 7:02 PM
PMACA_MFG's Avatar
PMACA_MFG PMACA_MFG is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: California
Posts: 547
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Browning View Post
You find it odd because you don't understand Senate rules and procedure. They could very easily get this done with 51 votes. Hell, they can do it with 50 as long as Pence votes with 2A, which he would likely do.

Pretending that the left will hold themselves to the same standards as the right because we didn't use the Senate to get things done shows a complete naivete as to how the left works.

Paul Ryan is a jackass and I'll be glad to see him out of a job in Congress come the primaries.
Should be easy then 12 more senators to go.
__________________
  #970  
Old 11-01-2017, 7:18 PM
Paladin's Avatar
Paladin Paladin is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFBA
Posts: 7,901
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Breitbart does a good job of summing up our situation:

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...secutive-week/
__________________
Never mistake being delusional for being optimistic.

225+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #971  
Old 11-01-2017, 9:57 PM
dfletcher's Avatar
dfletcher dfletcher is offline
I need a LIFE!!
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 12,531
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Browning View Post
You find it odd because you don't understand Senate rules and procedure. They could very easily get this done with 51 votes. Hell, they can do it with 50 as long as Pence votes with 2A, which he would likely do.
If the Democrats filibuster over this I think we still need to meet 60 votes for cloture and the bill to move forward, yes? The 60 vote cloture requirement was dropped for the Gorsuch nomination only - or am I mistaken and it's still in effect?

If not, the Senate could bypass the 60 vote cloture requirement by lowering it, as they did with Gorsuch by a simple majority vote to suspend Rule 22, or they could allow Democrats to amend the bill and would need only a simple majority vote to pass the resulting bill. Another approach would be to attach it to a "must pass" bill the Democrats wouldn't dare oppose or happen to be in love with. IIRC that's how "guns in national parks" was passed and signed by President Obama. Much to his chagrin I suspect.

I'm certainPence would break a tie. There are a few Republican Senators I wonder about - Collins for one, and Kirk would certainly vote no. Testor was disappointing on Gorsuch, Heidekamp and Manchin might not help us. Although it would likely cause Manchin his job. Such is the danger when "pro-gun Democrats" are exposed to the national party on gun control.

Last edited by dfletcher; 11-01-2017 at 10:00 PM..
  #972  
Old 11-02-2017, 3:51 AM
Battosai1 Battosai1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 177
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

At the end of the day, they are all corrupt. A Traitor deserve a traitor's death.
  #973  
Old 11-02-2017, 10:17 AM
mit31 mit31 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 174
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Correct, the 60 vote filibuster rule is still in affect, and there is no appetite in the Senate to lower it (and I agree).

The Democrats are not stupid, they would refuse to amend the bill and hand the Republicans an easy 50 vote pass, nor would they bend on hiding this as a rider. The Republicans would just end up looking stupid again, like with the health care bill, and the must-pass bill would be held up as their fault... they would have to cave and pass it separately.

So no, as I already said above, there is an impossible 60 vote filibuster that kills this in the Senate.

But what do I know, apparently I don't understand Senate rules or procedures.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dfletcher View Post
If the Democrats filibuster over this I think we still need to meet 60 votes for cloture and the bill to move forward, yes? The 60 vote cloture requirement was dropped for the Gorsuch nomination only - or am I mistaken and it's still in effect?

If not, the Senate could bypass the 60 vote cloture requirement by lowering it, as they did with Gorsuch by a simple majority vote to suspend Rule 22, or they could allow Democrats to amend the bill and would need only a simple majority vote to pass the resulting bill. Another approach would be to attach it to a "must pass" bill the Democrats wouldn't dare oppose or happen to be in love with. IIRC that's how "guns in national parks" was passed and signed by President Obama. Much to his chagrin I suspect.

I'm certainPence would break a tie. There are a few Republican Senators I wonder about - Collins for one, and Kirk would certainly vote no. Testor was disappointing on Gorsuch, Heidekamp and Manchin might not help us. Although it would likely cause Manchin his job. Such is the danger when "pro-gun Democrats" are exposed to the national party on gun control.
  #974  
Old 11-02-2017, 10:35 AM
DolphinFan DolphinFan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 675
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Why not just bury it in the tax bill at the last minute?
  #975  
Old 11-02-2017, 11:30 AM
lowimpactuser lowimpactuser is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,788
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dfletcher View Post
Although the public response to Las Vegas has been tepid at best regarding gun control I don't know that Congress wants "more guns" as its most notable 2017 achievement. Because that's how it will be portrayed and not in a good way. Further, while this bill has absolute opposition from nearly all Democrats we have to consider there are reservations among conservatives and gun owners too. Some may think that concern misplaced or not warranted, but it's there.
Good! MOAR GUNS. That SHOULD be their accomplishment, and if they DON'T want MOAR GUNS as their accomplishment they can go be lobbyists or something. VOTE FOR GUNS OR GET BOOTED. Pretty simple.

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Browning View Post
You find it odd because you don't understand Senate rules and procedure. They could very easily get this done with 51 votes. Hell, they can do it with 50 as long as Pence votes with 2A, which he would likely do.

Pretending that the left will hold themselves to the same standards as the right because we didn't use the Senate to get things done shows a complete naivete as to how the left works.

Paul Ryan is a jackass and I'll be glad to see him out of a job in Congress come the primaries.
Someone gets it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dfletcher View Post
If the Democrats filibuster over this I think we still need to meet 60 votes for cloture and the bill to move forward, yes? The 60 vote cloture requirement was dropped for the Gorsuch nomination only - or am I mistaken and it's still in effect?

If not, the Senate could bypass the 60 vote cloture requirement by lowering it, as they did with Gorsuch by a simple majority vote to suspend Rule 22, or they could allow Democrats to amend the bill and would need only a simple majority vote to pass the resulting bill. Another approach would be to attach it to a "must pass" bill the Democrats wouldn't dare oppose or happen to be in love with. IIRC that's how "guns in national parks" was passed and signed by President Obama. Much to his chagrin I suspect.

I'm certainPence would break a tie. There are a few Republican Senators I wonder about - Collins for one, and Kirk would certainly vote no. Testor was disappointing on Gorsuch, Heidekamp and Manchin might not help us. Although it would likely cause Manchin his job. Such is the danger when "pro-gun Democrats" are exposed to the national party on gun control.
The rule is only regarding judicial nominations; and there is no filibuster now for any including SCOTUS.

There still is a filibuster for lower bills.

The senate can do things like short term spending and appropriations @ 51 votes though; which is what a smart person who cared would do.

No one in power cares about our gun rights.

Further; whether or not Heitkamp, Manchin, or McCaskill, Tester, Heller, or others vote for the bill- we then have the record they suck, VOTE THEM OUT. That's what scares them- being on the record, and their record sucking because they're defying the will of the electorate.
__________________
KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #976  
Old 11-02-2017, 11:44 AM
PMACA_MFG's Avatar
PMACA_MFG PMACA_MFG is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: California
Posts: 547
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Who opposes this bill? I know of two (CA) , but it seemed like some think the balance is closer to 58/42
__________________
  #977  
Old 11-02-2017, 4:13 PM
mit31 mit31 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 174
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by PMACA_MFG View Post
Who opposes this bill? I know of two (CA) , but it seemed like some think the balance is closer to 58/42
Isn't it easier to list which Democrat / Independent Senators may support it? You need 6 at a min, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have all 52 GOP Senators. I haven't heard of any Democrats supporting these bills.
  #978  
Old 11-02-2017, 4:22 PM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by DolphinFan View Post
Why not just bury it in the tax bill at the last minute?
McConnell and Ryan wont let that happen, they've so far promised that all extra desires will be kept out of the tax bill and the budget.
  #979  
Old 11-04-2017, 3:54 AM
press1280 press1280 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: WV
Posts: 2,280
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mit31 View Post
Isn't it easier to list which Democrat / Independent Senators may support it? You need 6 at a min, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't have all 52 GOP Senators. I haven't heard of any Democrats supporting these bills.
If you look back to the Cornyn bill from 2013?, and get the roll call you'll find 8 Dems that voted for it that are still in the Senate. But Mark Warner came out against it earlier this year, so now you're one short. You'll need to flip another one. Claire McCaskill in MO is in deep trouble and is up in 2018. That's the logical choice.
It all depends though. The ones that voted yes in 2018 may have been "allowed" to do so by Harry Reid knowing it wasn't going to pass. So likely this will have to be part of another bill to get through IMO.
  #980  
Old 11-10-2017, 7:16 AM
Paladin's Avatar
Paladin Paladin is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFBA
Posts: 7,901
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Thumbs up USA Today: "Shootings ramp up pressure for NRA-backed concealed-carry gun bill"

The countdown begins: 51 days left in this year.

Quote:
America’s recent mass shootings have increased pressure from gun-rights advocates to pass the National Rifle Association’s top legislative priority: a bill to make it easier to carry concealed weapons across state lines, the bill’s author said Thursday.

Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., told USA TODAY the shootings at a Las Vegas concert and Texas church have only intensified his colleagues and constituents’ interest in the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. House leaders assured him this week that they are committed to getting the bill to the House floor for a vote before the end of the year, he said.

For many Americans, he said, the horror of the shootings reinforced the belief that carrying a concealed weapon is an important way to protect and defend themselves.

“If anything, the tragedy in Texas underscores why we need to protect law abiding citizens who choose to defend themselves with a concealed weapon,” Hudson said. “It certainly hasn’t changed the timeline. My colleagues have been asking me all week, ‘Are we going to be moving your bill? This is important.’”

<snip>
More at:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ill/849673001/
__________________
Never mistake being delusional for being optimistic.

225+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #981  
Old 11-10-2017, 7:19 AM
Trump1's Avatar
Trump1 Trump1 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Los Angeles County
Posts: 279
iTrader: 2 / 75%
Default

Tax reform is the number one priority. I Don't expect anything this year. Particularly considering the latest events.
  #982  
Old 11-10-2017, 7:25 AM
digger2's Avatar
digger2 digger2 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: Escondido
Posts: 256
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

I am starting to believe they are incapable of passing anything.
  #983  
Old 11-10-2017, 10:57 AM
lowimpactuser lowimpactuser is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 1,788
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by digger2 View Post
I am starting to believe they are incapable of passing anything.
I'm sure they'd be capable of passing amnesty which Trump would veto.

I'm equally sure they could pass more free trade deals, which Trumpnwoud also veto.

I'm sure they could pass any number of bills that are explicitly against what people voted Trump for.

Let's not be overly negative; congress can pass plenty of things.
__________________
KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #984  
Old 11-10-2017, 1:23 PM
dustoff31 dustoff31 is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: AZ
Posts: 8,238
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by digger2 View Post
I am starting to believe they are incapable of passing anything.
That isn't the problem. They don't want to pass reciprocity.

As you can see, they can pass all sorts of things when they want to.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/#bystatus

Quote:
Enacted Laws
There are 82 enacted bills and joint resolutions so far in this session of Congress.

Passed Resolutions
There are 327 passed resolutions so far in this session of Congress (for joint and concurrent resolutions, passed both chambers).

Got A Vote
There are 421 bills and joint/concurrent resolutions that had a significant vote in one chamber, making them likely to have further action.
__________________
"Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. Damn democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive." - Westbrook Pegler
  #985  
Old 11-14-2017, 7:02 AM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
The countdown begins: 51 days left in this year.

More at:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ill/849673001/
Sounds like more talk with no action. Unless the NRA holds these bums accountable they wont move on it.
  #986  
Old 11-16-2017, 6:13 AM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Our first cosponsor in over two months. Bringing us up to 213.
  #987  
Old 11-17-2017, 6:51 PM
Paladin's Avatar
Paladin Paladin is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFBA
Posts: 7,901
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Paul Ryan has ignored national reciprocity now for 45 weeks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...secutive-week/

He no longer has Tax Reform giving him cover as an excuse....
__________________
Never mistake being delusional for being optimistic.

225+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #988  
Old 11-18-2017, 7:18 AM
Aegis's Avatar
Aegis Aegis is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,772
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

If the Republicans think the democrats are gaining momentum into next year, they will realize that they will need the NRA's backing, and will probably move on this.
__________________
  #989  
Old 11-18-2017, 1:20 PM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
If the Republicans think the democrats are gaining momentum into next year, they will realize that they will need the NRA's backing, and will probably move on this.
Thats exactly what most of us are saying. They dont really care if HR38 passes or not and they more likely dont want to see it put into law. What they do want is to delay it until election season to drive NRA and conservative voters out to the polls.
  #990  
Old 11-19-2017, 5:58 AM
Paladin's Avatar
Paladin Paladin is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFBA
Posts: 7,901
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
The countdown begins: 51 days left in this year.
6 weeks until the end of the year....
__________________
Never mistake being delusional for being optimistic.

225+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif
  #991  
Old 11-19-2017, 7:10 AM
Aegis's Avatar
Aegis Aegis is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 1,772
iTrader: 3 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kuug View Post
Thats exactly what most of us are saying. They dont really care if HR38 passes or not and they more likely dont want to see it put into law. What they do want is to delay it until election season to drive NRA and conservative voters out to the polls.
Agreed. The problem is that strategy could backfire on them, and those voters get pissed off and don't vote. They would be smart to get it across the line sooner rather than later to energize those voters.
__________________
  #992  
Old 11-19-2017, 6:16 PM
Sputnik's Avatar
Sputnik Sputnik is offline
Shiny
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: East Bay
Posts: 1,273
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
Agreed. The problem is that strategy could backfire on them, and those voters get pissed off and don't vote. They would be smart to get it across the line sooner rather than later to energize those voters.
Exactly...they need to give people a reason to vote for them rather than a reason to be pissed off at them.
If they do nothing they may well get nothing (vote-wise).

Show me what you've accomplished in my interest or I'll be forced to believe you're not competent to fill the position you desire to hold.
Its that simple.
  #993  
Old 11-20-2017, 3:28 PM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Aegis View Post
Agreed. The problem is that strategy could backfire on them, and those voters get pissed off and don't vote. They would be smart to get it across the line sooner rather than later to energize those voters.
They aren't smart and we all know it.
  #994  
Old 11-21-2017, 1:35 PM
TruOil TruOil is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 289
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paladin View Post
Paul Ryan has ignored national reciprocity now for 45 weeks.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...secutive-week/

He no longer has Tax Reform giving him cover as an excuse....
He doesn't need cover. He has publicly stated that "this is not the time" for national reciprocity. If the NRA can't move him to move, the bill is dead for this session. I know Schumer has told his party members not to push gun control bills (not that he could stop DiFi and her AR ban), as he fears that there could be a backlash. Maybe Ryan fears the same if he pushes reciprocity. Either way, I have no great expectations this year.
  #995  
Old 11-27-2017, 8:02 AM
Silent Pulse's Avatar
Silent Pulse Silent Pulse is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 74
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Seems there's going to be a mark up for this.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...-moves-forward

https://hudson.house.gov/press-relea...-up-wednesday/

Any thoughts?
__________________
I was once a moderate until the U.S. Constitution turned me into a conservative like a vampire biting someone to become one of them.

This Millennial is woke.

Continuously learning...


Official Firearms Policy Coalition member
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/
  #996  
Old 11-27-2017, 8:28 AM
mit31 mit31 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 174
iTrader: 1 / 100%
Default

It is also possible that the reason Schumer has agreed to keep gun control out of Congress is because Ryan agreed to hold his GOP bills as well. Schumer can say gun laws haven't been loosened, and the GOP won't have bad press with Dems holding photos of dead people in the chamber again, and they can re-introduce next year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TruOil View Post
He doesn't need cover. He has publicly stated that "this is not the time" for national reciprocity. If the NRA can't move him to move, the bill is dead for this session. I know Schumer has told his party members not to push gun control bills (not that he could stop DiFi and her AR ban), as he fears that there could be a backlash. Maybe Ryan fears the same if he pushes reciprocity. Either way, I have no great expectations this year.
  #997  
Old 11-27-2017, 8:35 AM
kuug's Avatar
kuug kuug is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 132
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Pulse View Post
How typical of a neocon rag like National Review to support "states rights" over constitutionally protected individual rights.

If there is a markup then great, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why it has taken this long is beyond me. It should have been pushed as soon as Scalise and the others were shot at baseball practice.
  #998  
Old 11-27-2017, 8:41 AM
Paladin's Avatar
Paladin Paladin is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: SFBA
Posts: 7,901
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Pulse View Post
The enemy will be engaged in battle. Spread the news far and wide, via email to fellow gunnies and to other forums. "All hands on deck!"

__________________
Never mistake being delusional for being optimistic.

225+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

KnifeRights.org/images/KRbanner_468x60-1.gif

Last edited by Paladin; 11-27-2017 at 9:08 AM..
  #999  
Old 11-27-2017, 8:46 AM
Silent Pulse's Avatar
Silent Pulse Silent Pulse is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 74
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by kuug View Post
How typical of a neocon rag like National Review to support "states rights" over constitutionally protected individual rights.

If there is a markup then great, but I'll believe it when I see it. Why it has taken this long is beyond me. It should have been pushed as soon as Scalise and the others were shot at baseball practice.
I couldn't agree more about Scalise. Guess we'll just have to see what happens at this point.
__________________
I was once a moderate until the U.S. Constitution turned me into a conservative like a vampire biting someone to become one of them.

This Millennial is woke.

Continuously learning...


Official Firearms Policy Coalition member
https://www.firearmspolicy.org/
  #1000  
Old 11-27-2017, 11:00 AM
R Dale R Dale is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,361
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silent Pulse View Post
What is really needed is for gun control enforcement to be taken away from the states and handled at the Federal level, anything less and we will be going around and around the same issues in some state from now on.
Closed Thread

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:40 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2018, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.
Calguns.net and The Calguns Foundation have no affiliation and are in no way related to each other.
All opinions, statements and remarks made by Calguns.net on this web site and elsewhere are solely attributable to Calguns.net.