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Old 11-29-2010, 9:23 PM
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Ok, last threadcrap before I unsubscribe, seeing as how I don't plan to move to Sacto sooner than I move to AZ...

My point is ultimately, it is the government which chooses to infringe by having police responses *at all* against clearly law-abiding civil rights exercisers (instead of just spending less than a dispatch minute on each MWAG call screening out criminal safety proponents for reports of actual crimes in progress, and hitting a button which kicks the .wavs over to the DA for abusing the 911 system), and to infringe by forced licensing and then forced taxing of the right via said licenses. I can see how getting rid of all the licensing+taxes would be a matter of venue. Circuit split, then SCOTUS.

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Old 11-29-2010, 10:47 PM
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I brought a blank check, training cert, range scores, all my original letters and the live scan paperwork, "JUST in case".
Range scores? I have no range scores. I have a certificate that I completed CCW training. I'm assuming if range scores were mandatory my instructor would have given them to me.
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Old 11-30-2010, 4:57 AM
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Range scores? I have no range scores. I have a certificate that I completed CCW training. I'm assuming if range scores were mandatory my instructor would have given them to me.
You should have qualified with each firearm you plan to have on your permit. The certificate shows that you completed the class, but you also need proof that you qualified with each firearm.
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Old 11-30-2010, 6:09 AM
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Anyone knows how many guns you can have on your permit? The application only has room for 3 guns.
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Old 11-30-2010, 6:23 AM
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Anyone knows how many guns you can have on your permit? The application only has room for 3 guns.
Legally, no limit. Sac SO policy, unless it has recently changed is 3 or 4.
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Old 11-30-2010, 6:36 AM
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Sacramento policy is 3.
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Went to SSD this morning to amend CCW to delete/add additional handguns. Arrived at 0805 to find sign on door "No CCW Today," confirmed with delightful curmudgeon at window that one and only person that can handle amendments had called in sick this AM.
Process continues to be deeply flawed. This cost me a day off from work and cost of parking, not to mention waste of time and my frustration.
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Old 11-30-2010, 8:24 AM
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Went to SSD this morning to amend CCW to delete/add additional handguns. Arrived at 0805 to find sign on door "No CCW Today," confirmed with delightful curmudgeon at window that one and only person that can handle amendments had called in sick this AM.
Process continues to be deeply flawed. This cost me a day off from work and cost of parking, not to mention waste of time and my frustration.


Document who you spoke with and your time / mileage / monetary losses and send an e-mail/pm to wildhawker just for CGF to keep track of their flawed policies. A pattern of flaws could develops into infringements.
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Old 11-30-2010, 8:26 AM
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Sacramento policy is 3.
Not supported by code thus an unlawful policy.
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Old 11-30-2010, 8:34 AM
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I was under the impression that you can have a gun registered in your wife's name on your ccw permit, right? What about a gun owned by your father ?
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Old 11-30-2010, 11:31 AM
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Range scores? I have no range scores. I have a certificate that I completed CCW training. I'm assuming if range scores were mandatory my instructor would have given them to me.
Odd, I had mine and she looked at them, even made a copy with the certificate.

You do have to qualify once a year, so I don't see why she wouldn't want to see them as proof you actually qualifed. Perhaps they aren't really needed and the fact I had mine with me, was irrelevant.
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Old 11-30-2010, 11:38 AM
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Depending on who you qualify with you either get what you qualified with or you can be scored, I've done both.
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Old 11-30-2010, 12:16 PM
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I did get a qualification certificate but no range score sheet. I turned in the QualCert with the application.
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Did the Livescan today at the Marconi location. Showed up at 12:35 pm and saw the window office there (which is inside the Sheriff's station) is closed from 12:30 to 1:00, so I signed in and got some lunch across the street. Was back in the waiting room by 12:59 and the window opened at 1:00 sharp. They called my name from the sign-in sheet immediately. Pretty cool how they do it, a bit of moisture on your printable surfaces and pressed up against a scanning window. First just regular prints, then roll prints. Staff were very friendly! When I walked up to the window the officer said with a smile, "Let me guess, CCW permit?" "Yup, guess you've seen a few of those lately..." "A few!" he said with a wink. All in all we were there just 15 minutes. Good experience!
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Went to SSD this morning to amend CCW to delete/add additional handguns. Arrived at 0805 to find sign on door "No CCW Today," confirmed with delightful curmudgeon at window that one and only person that can handle amendments had called in sick this AM.
Process continues to be deeply flawed. This cost me a day off from work and cost of parking, not to mention waste of time and my frustration.
At this rate I'll have to re-qualify before I even get my permit. Deeply flawed indeed, going on a 6 mo. process for me, although I am hopeful for the rice paper to show up within a week.
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Old 11-30-2010, 5:24 PM
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Not supported by code thus an unlawful policy.
Yeah, but still policy. :-)
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Old 11-30-2010, 5:48 PM
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Got my approval letter yesterday.. A BIG thanks to Gray Peterson, since he was the one that told me I didn't have to wait for a year to apply. I've been in Sac 6 months, turned in my app on Oct 15th, got the letter yesterday.. Wahoo!!
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Old 12-01-2010, 8:43 AM
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You should have qualified with each firearm you plan to have on your permit. The certificate shows that you completed the class, but you also need proof that you qualified with each firearm.
My certificate states that I attended, passed, and lists the weapons. But, there's no range scores. It must be alright, the same instructor's students are getting CCWs.
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My certificate states that I attended, passed, and lists the weapons. But, there's no range scores. It must be alright, the same instructors students are getting CCWs.
How are range scores determined?
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Old 12-01-2010, 8:49 AM
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How are range scores determined?
Good question. I think it's a percentage of how many shots hit the target zone.
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How are range scores determined?

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Old 12-01-2010, 9:07 AM
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Is this standardized across the board for all qualification courses or is that an example of one course's requirements?
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Old 12-01-2010, 9:09 AM
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Is this standardized across the board for all qualification courses or is that an example of one course's requirements?

An example of one places qualifications, I do not think it is standardized since some places differ.
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Old 12-01-2010, 9:12 AM
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Good question. I think it's a percentage of how many shots hit the target zone.
Yup. I was totally surprised how well muscle memory was retained after not being on a range for 10 years. Based on my target, I managed a respectable 488/500
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Old 12-01-2010, 9:15 AM
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Yup. I was totally surprised how well muscle memory was retained after not being on a range for 10 years. Based on my target, I managed a respectable 488/500

488? It's 50 rounds at 5 points each round and any shot in the 8 ring or better is 5 points, anything else is 0 lol
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I sent you a PM.

Based on the above 5 point system, I would have scored 245/250.
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Is this standardized across the board for all qualification courses or is that an example of one course's requirements?
I'm sure each instructor is different (this much is already apparent) and all that matters is you pass that instructors course of fire.

Where I went we did 50 shots, 5 points each, anything outside of the 8 ring was a no hit unless it hit the head. I only managed a 240 on both weapons with a maximum possible score of 250.
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Old 12-03-2010, 2:32 PM
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Spoke to Amber a moment ago. She related to me that my permit was mailed out yesterday. I suspect that another batch will arrive for the rest of us following a visit to the SCSO on 11/16/2010.
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I'm turning in final paperwork on tuesday; hope they're accepting CCW this week!
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23 days since my livescan was done and still no clearance letter
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Spoke to Amber a moment ago. She related to me that my permit was mailed out yesterday. I suspect that another batch will arrive for the rest of us following a visit to the SCSO on 11/16/2010.
Good to know. I was beginning to wonder...
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Spoke to Amber a moment ago. She related to me that my permit was mailed out yesterday. I suspect that another batch will arrive for the rest of us following a visit to the SCSO on 11/16/2010.
What date did you submit the final paperwork to Amber? I was there on the 11/9 and was hoping it was going to show today but nothing yet.
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I received word from Amber today that mine had already been mailed out also. I was #8 on 11/13.
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I received word from Amber today that mine had already been mailed out also. I was #8 on 11/13.
Pretty sure you mean 11/16 (I was there too).
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Right, it just seemed a bit longer, I guess.

Seems pretty long, but when I read of folks in other counties (i.e., Ventura) that wait six months or more for an appointment, this is really not so bad.
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What date did you submit the final paperwork to Amber? I was there on the 11/9 and was hoping it was going to show today but nothing yet.
I submitted my final paper work on 11/16. I was turned down on the 11/9 because you took my spot.
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ive read all 44 pages today of this thread, and im wondering if theres any policy on modified guns. i was told by a guy who got accepted in another county that you cant change out the sights or do trigger jobs or anything on your ccw guns. any truth to this?
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ive read all 44 pages today of this thread, and im wondering if theres any policy on modified guns. i was told by a guy who got accepted in another county that you cant change out the sights or do trigger jobs or anything on your ccw guns. any truth to this?
I think this is a county by county thing. I am not aware of any restrictions in Sacramento. I certainly hope not because I don't have a lot of stuff that's stock.
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me either. on all my guns i do night sights at the very least, and most i do triggers, etc....
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