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Old 03-15-2019, 10:49 PM
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Default Elk Grove PD VS. UC Davis PD

I applied to both as a lateral since they are closer to home. What are the pros and cons?

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Old 03-16-2019, 1:22 AM
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They’re PDs. Just my personal opinion though.

All joking aside, I’d look into each of their use of force policies. While the “necessary” force hasn’t come down on us and won’t for a while even if it does gain considerable traction, you have to look at what the dept allows and whether it’s a paradigm or continuum.

Also, what is your endgame? Goals? What would you like to do? Does environment matter much to you? Obviously, UCD PD is a state agency giving you state benefits. Correct me if I’m wrong, but your responsibility is UCD and probably its hospitals. That’s pretty much it. Both are smaller departments, which doesn’t afford you a ton of movement within the department either.

I know EGPD may be moving towards allowing their citizen review board to potentially begin reviewing/critiquing use of force incidents and that’s always a recipe for disaster. They haven’t done so yet from what I understand, but they’re definitely close to giving it the green light.
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Old 03-16-2019, 1:58 AM
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Having taken some classes with EGPD's communications team, I'd work for them in a heartbeat
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Having taken some classes with EGPD's communications team, I'd work for them in a heartbeat


You really would still consider going there if the civilian review board is going to review everything? Good or bad? Cause your career and future depends on people who know nothing about law enforcement.


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Old 03-16-2019, 3:43 AM
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Consider the environment on many universities now. Not exactly a great place to be a cop. I will have to find the article, but there is a push at one of the UC's to disarm the campus police.
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One is 830.1 and one isn't.

All kidding aside with what is going on at Davis and most other university's in the state I'd avoid them like the plague if I had the choice. Probably not as many opportunities to do anything other than patrol at one of the UC's. Way back when I knew a guy who went to work at SF state, after being out of the job for a couple year's. He lasted a little over a year working there before he moved on to a municipal agency. He said the politic's was far worse than the small agency he had worked at before. There are also a lot of other agency's in between those two that are probably also hiring.
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Old 03-16-2019, 7:39 AM
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I would consider retirement package. How much do I get when I retire?
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Old 03-16-2019, 7:56 AM
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Goal is to work less (current agency is busy), I have about 10 years in PERS and looking to retired with the next agency. I’m in the 2.7% at 57 plan and it would be nice to get 3% at 50 with UCD.

Politics is everywhere and I have always been able to stay out of it.

I’m aware of UC Santa Barbara calling to disarm their cops. My feeling is that it’s pretty much happening everywhere in CA.

Both places are slow in terms of CFS and I’m looking to chill at this point.

I honestly thinking both agencies would work well for me. I’m just not sure which to go with and want your input.
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Old 03-16-2019, 8:28 AM
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One is 830.1 and one isn't.

All kidding aside with what is going on at Davis and most other university's in the state I'd avoid them like the plague if I had the choice. Probably not as many opportunities to do anything other than patrol at one of the UC's. Way back when I knew a guy who went to work at SF state, after being out of the job for a couple year's. He lasted a little over a year working there before he moved on to a municipal agency. He said the politic's was far worse than the small agency he had worked at before. There are also a lot of other agency's in between those two that are probably also hiring.
Before moving to UC check their actual status as peace officers. There was something a few years back about job injury and status. Also the UC president is your boss, even though you will have Chief.
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Goal is to work less (current agency is busy), I have about 10 years in PERS and looking to retired with the next agency. Iím in the 2.7% at 57 plan and it would be nice to get 3% at 50 with UCD.

Politics is everywhere and I have always been able to stay out of it.

Iím aware of UC Santa Barbara calling to disarm their cops. My feeling is that itís pretty much happening everywhere in CA.

Both places are slow in terms of CFS and Iím looking to chill at this point.

I honestly thinking both agencies would work well for me. Iím just not sure which to go with and want your input.
So you have about 10 years on and are ready to retire on duty? Good luck on avoiding politics on a California University campus. You will be OK with left-leaning administrators telling you how to do your job? What happens when they inevitably disarm all of the campus cops?
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Old 03-16-2019, 9:06 AM
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EGPD - more opportunity to move into different positions. It’s a large city and they are expanding. Growth = $.

I wouldn’t want to babysit college students or deal with the liberals in Davis.
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Old 03-16-2019, 9:58 AM
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Go with EGPD. Better opportunity for advancement and possible lateral to other agencies. UC would be ok if you only want to do sexual assault and illegal parking calls. Also if you have a child who wants to go to school there ,you would get a discount.
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EGPD - more opportunity to move into different positions. Itís a large city and they are expanding. Growth = $.

I wouldnít want to babysit college students or deal with the liberals in Davis.
I wouldn't call Elk Grove a large city at all. 2nd largest in Sac County, yes, but that's not saying much.

Compare it to City of Sac which has a population of some 450k+ in about 100 sq mi and EG is at about 175k+ in about 40 sq mi.

EG is getting a ton of influx from the Bay area and South Sac is bleeding in as well. There's a fair amount of LE support in EG, however, I would say it is slowly getting diluted because of the increase in Bay area politics and South Sac coming in. You also have to remember the Wilton Rancheria will be going up soon and have to factor that in as well.

I'm not trying to knock one over the other. You just have to figure out what you want. Sounds like you're just trying to do bare minimum and hide somewhere. I can't say which one of the two departments will allow you to do that.
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Old 03-16-2019, 7:16 PM
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Thx all
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Old 03-18-2019, 2:03 PM
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If you were hired under PEPRA you wouldn’t be eligible for the classic CalPERS(3/50), just some info based on your posted goals. GL with the lateral process.
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Old 03-18-2019, 2:25 PM
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Did not read anything but the title. I think Elk Grove pd could beat up UC Davis pd.
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Old 03-18-2019, 2:32 PM
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EG is a great agency, lots of former Sac SO guys there. I used to help train their K-9 unit when they were first incorporated back in 05. Great group of guys, great agency busy if that what you like. UCD PD, dealing with a bunch of entitled millennials, anti LEO professors on campus......the only upside I see to them is the free schooling, not sure they offer that still.
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Old 03-18-2019, 4:46 PM
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UCD PD jurisdiction falls on the campuses, hospitals, and immediate, surrounding areas of all. They have a general agreement with Davis PD and Sac PD for the surrounding areas.

UC (I believe also CSU) is on a separate retirement system. This is why retirees often go to the university system after. See the former CHP commissioner, who is now, I believe, the current Chief with UCD.

Remember Lt. Pike, also.
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Old 03-18-2019, 5:03 PM
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Default UC Davis PD vs Elk Grove PD

If you're in it for the money, UCD PD tops out at $103,646/year and Elk Grove PD tops out at $93,456/year (possible $107,454 with POST pay, etc).

UC cops are full-time, sworn peace officers pursuant to PC 830.2(b) and UC cops are statutorily armed, so they cannot be disarmed without a change in the Penal Code.

Since they are not PERS, all UC cops still have 3%@50 retirement through the UC Retirement Plan. If you lateral over from a PERS agency to the UCRP, you can apply for Reciprocity to count your PERS time towards the UCRP 3%@50 Safety Member retirement formula.

My better half worked the UC police gig for 8 years. It's very political but what LEO gig isn't political nowadays? Make no mistake, you will do police work. UC Davis is unique because they have two campuses... Davis and Sacramento. Working in Davis, you'll probably see the campus police type stuff, but working the UCD Medical Center in Sacramento, you'll probably see a little more action especially around the Oak Park area.

UC Davis PD has a relatively new Chief too... former CHP Commissioner Joe Farrow. That may be good thing but time will tell. Also, as a UC cop, you will be subject to mutual aid callouts at the other campuses. There's nothing like working the big Cal / Stanford game with over 60,000 drunk college students/alumni in one stadium!
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Old 03-20-2019, 7:08 AM
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EGPD is a bunch of nerds, but I'd rather suck start my gun than work for UCDPD. EG won't honor 3@50, even for classic laterals (they might offer 3@55). EGPD does have a solid budget, a lot of special assignments, and some genuinely good people. But if you're looking to ROD, it's not the place to be.
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Having taken some classes with EGPD's communications team, I'd work for them in a heartbeat
Taking a class related to communications is not what Iíd consider a very good determiner of fact for employment considerations as a police officer. Iíd need a lot more research on the agency first. Iíd want to know their pay, retirement, use of force policy, officer association strength, officer morale, etc... etc... to name just a few things..,
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