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Old 04-21-2018, 12:01 PM
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That’s good news! Now, on the forward grip issue, are these allowed if we register our guns as “assault weapons”? I thought, before all this RAW stuff started, that forward grips were a NO-NO. If we register without a forward grip and add one later are we ok? Is this our chance to legally have a forward grip?
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Old 04-21-2018, 1:16 PM
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That’s good news! Now, on the forward grip issue, are these allowed if we register our guns as “assault weapons”? I thought, before all this RAW stuff started, that forward grips were a NO-NO. If we register without a forward grip and add one later are we ok? Is this our chance to legally have a forward grip?
If you are talking about **rifles** then it doesn't matter. You can add or remove ANY "evil" feature after registering, as already stated. The only thing you cannot do after modifying is muck with the bullet button.

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Old 04-21-2018, 1:25 PM
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You can remove and replace any BB for any BB at any time.
I would not be so quick to provide that advice to people!!!

What the regulations actually say is:

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§ 5477. Registration of Assault Weapons Pursuant to Penal Code Section 30900(b)(1); Post-Registration Modification of Registered Assault Weapons, Prohibition.
(a) The release mechanism for an ammunition feeding device on an assault weapon registered pursuant to Penal Code section 30900, subdivision (b)(1) shall not be changed after the assault weapon is registered. A weapon's eligibility for registration pursuant to Penal Code section 30900, subdivision (b)(1) depends, in part, on its release mechanism. Any alteration to the release mechanism converts the assault weapon into a different weapon from the one that was registered.
(b) The prohibition in subdivision (a) does not extend to the repair or like-kind replacement of the mechanism.
(c) This prohibition in subdivision (a) does not extend to a firearm that is undergoing the deregistration process pursuant to section 5478. Written confirmation from the Department that acknowledges the owner's intent to deregister his or her assault weapon pursuant to section 5478 shall be proof the deregistration process has been initiated.
Now, don't argue with me that that is crap and regulatory overreach. Amen, brother!

But the fact remains we have no idea what "like-kind replacement" means.

I really wonder if anyone has any insights or experience about perhaps resubmitting registration with a different release mechanism after getting approval once already?
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Old 04-21-2018, 7:11 PM
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I would not be so quick to provide that advice to people!!!



What the regulations actually say is:







Now, don't argue with me that that is crap and regulatory overreach. Amen, brother!



But the fact remains we have no idea what "like-kind replacement" means.



I really wonder if anyone has any insights or experience about perhaps resubmitting registration with a different release mechanism after getting approval once already?


I mean technically speaking they defined a bullet button to be *like* a standard magazine release themselves in redefining what “fixed magazine” means. They are both release mechanisms in which you do not need to separate the action of a firearm to release the magazine. They are like each other, in fact they are the exact same, as a bullet button is really just a shroud that surrounds the release mechanism itself.

Who wants to be the test case?

Or you can just grow out your fingernails and file them down, if anyone questions you just say you play the guitar?


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Old 04-21-2018, 7:28 PM
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But the fact remains we have no idea what "like-kind replacement" means.
Yes we do:

(f) “Bullet-button” means a product requiring a tool to remove an ammunition feeding device or magazine by depressing a recessed button or lever shielded by a magazine lock. A bullet-button equipped fully functional semiautomatic firearm does not meet the fixed magazine definition under Penal Code section 30515(b).

Notice how the definition does not specify mechanisms, color, or anything other than it's basic function (depressing a recessed button or lever shielded by a magazine lock). It doesn't say anything about having one shaped like a banana or any specific brand.

By my count, towards the end, there were literally two dozen companies making BB's including cheap Chinese knockoffs. There is no way to tell where any of these generic BB's came from and they were all the same legally.

They continue to be the same legally, except now they do not meet the fixed mag definition.

The question about Raddlock or any of the toggle on and toggle off variety is a separate question- are they considered BB's legally? Fabio said no, a few others questioned it. I don't know the answer other than when it's ON it's a BB and when it's OFF it definitely isn't.

The truth is if you take ANY AR-15 BB and slightly screw out the retaining nut and make it very loose and sloppy you can get it to function as a standard mag release. It's ghetto but it works, and I can't find the difference between doing that and switching a raddlock.

I reg'd over 15 rifles and many had BB's I had made myself. Many where very different and unique. They all met the basic definition of a "depressing a recessed button or lever shielded by a magazine lock". No one ever questioned what brand they were or specifically how they functioned beyond that.

Case and point: if your BB breaks tomorrow what do you do? I would have to make another one on some rarer rifles, and it would probably be slightly different. No big deal, it DOESN'T matter. I have a few spares for the AR's and they all are slightly different in different colors.
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Old 04-22-2018, 10:55 AM
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By my count, towards the end, there were literally two dozen companies making BB's including cheap Chinese knockoffs. There is no way to tell where any of these generic BB's came from and they were all the same legally.
This is a very AR-15-centric argument though.

Look at the diversity of designs and configurations for AK's below...
This is not theoretical for me. I have a shytty Raddlock that isn't working well and want to replace it. But I've already registered and not sure if I could have problems by changing it to a more simple device.









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