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Old 02-03-2017, 12:34 AM
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Default List of Magazine Release Type Compliance Devices (and take down pins) - MAJOR UPDATE

*Major Update - 2/14/18*

As the final July 1st deadline rolls closer I wanted to update this list. Long overdue, indeed. So many clever compliance devices have been and will be released. Seems to make a lot of sense to have some sort of master list of them here. I've reorganized the list into basic categories. I would like to make a full blown table adding details on things like reversibility, requires permanent lower modification, available for AR-10, etc. In the mean time, please continue to add to the list. I am not including any magazine products (fixed magazines) nor things like ejection port reloaders or reloadable fixed magazines, so let's not list or discuss those here. This is also not a place for discussion of featureless.

Company, Product Name, Price, Description, Product Link, Video Link

Compliant Magazine Release Buttons:
Modified Magazine Release Button "Blocks":
Take Down Pin Mods (to speed cracking of action):
Reversible Lower Modifications that Block Magazine Release Button and Crack Action with Spring:
Modified Bolt Catch
Auto-Release Magazine Follower (seem to deserve it's own category). Follower for auto-magazine release does not achieve CA compliance alone, but rather achieves compliance by adding blocked magazine release button and fast acting rear pin.

For what it is worth my personal solution with be the kit with KingPin and AR MAGLOCK - Gen 2


Products from initial post that appear to no longer be available:

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Old 02-03-2017, 1:40 AM
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Thanks! Will read in full this weekend
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DFM from Franklin Armory
Thanks, but as per the thread title, I'm sticking to release button and associated take down pin type solutions as opposed to fixed magazine type solutions. Those products might deserve their own full thread.
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Has any of these devices been approved as compliance to the new law?
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CA DOJ does not "approve" devices that are intended to make rifles comply with the law. It either meets the letter of the law, or it does not.
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CA DOJ does not "approve" devices that are intended to make rifles comply with the law. It either meets the letter of the law, or it does not.
Or the law is so convoluted the no one can make heads nor tails of it and everything is up in the air.

Good list by the way.
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I got an update from Battle Arms today. Not really much info other than an update on availability timing:

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Apologies for the late reply, the rear takedown pin is in the final stages of mass production & we are approx. 4 weeks away from making it available to all of our customers, dealers and distributors.

We are keeping an "interested" list and as soon as they are available, we will begin contacting for quantity, payment and shipping.
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I got an update from Battle Arms today. Not really much info other than an update on availability timing:
Will be interesting to see if they will offer a jig for their lower modification or just as a complete lower. I expect the latter, unfortunately.
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Has any of these devices been approved as compliance to the new law?
The AW guide will be published shortly. I have been informed that the DFM and a few other devices will be approved.
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The AW guide will be published shortly. I have been informed that the DFM and a few other devices will be approved.
Isn't post #5 correct? Such compliance devices are not approved.
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Time will tell, but they have told the truth so far.
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Hmm this could be an interesting list if they do approve
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tag...thank for list it out.
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thank you for taking the time to put together a list
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I'm most impressed with the BAD Inc device. A lower with a left side take down would be really nice combo.
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Tagged, thanks for starting this.
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Thanks swamp2. I've started a list of featureless solutions. I cross posted to this thread for those that want featured solutions.
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Thanks swamp2. I've started a list of featureless solutions. I cross posted to this thread for those that want featured solutions.
Thanks. An impressive list and appreciate the work there and the cross post. I'll add a comment in my OP for cross post.
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I'm most impressed with the BAD Inc device.
I think that is my personal favorite so far as well. However, seems most likely it will be a full lower only solution.
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No one has another item they've seen to add to the list? I surely did not snag all of them...

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Patirot Pin + Safe Mag Pricey but mean combo! Probably going this route with that AR Pistol.
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I like Cross Armory All the way. Self-operating once the action is open and no extra hand movements. We Sell them a little cheaper and they work great!!
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Will be interesting to see if they will offer a jig for their lower modification or just as a complete lower. I expect the latter, unfortunately.
WRT to the BAD takedown pin and mag lock that wowed in the Shot Show videos, I emailed them today for more info and they already responded:

"The rear pin is a separate item from the mag locking device.

They both will work with all Mil Spec receivers.

The rear pin is an easy install, the locking device requires a small hole to be drilled by a gunsmith.

Kind Regards,

Sales Team - Retail Department
Battle Arms Development Inc.."

So, sounds like the best of both worlds solution would be BAD rear pin + ARMagLock or similar. Great news that these will be offered as standalone products that work with any Mil Spec receiver.
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Cross Armory Safe Mag and Quick Pins is the way to go for me, so much quicker and better than all other devices, only the price is a little steep for the set, but you don't need both Safe Mag and Quick Pins for compliance, all you need is Safe Mag for compliance, and the Quick Pins is just more for convenience. I just love how quick and easy to drop and reload mag with it, even better than fumbling with the bullet button

I got mine from Gun California for $188 for the whole set (Safe Mag + Quick Pins) with shipping included (insurance required but not included) http://www.guncalifornia.com/ca-comp...mag-combo.html
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Where is that one device where you change out the back side of the mag release to make it fixed? I forget where I saw that...
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I'm pretty sure with that mod 1 device you can use a tool to remove the bolt catch pin then remove the mag without separating the upper from the lower. Unless the device is not removable when the action assembled I don't see how it can comply with sb880.

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what about the new one I saw on Instagram where you keep your fixed and they have that reload tool where you push a spring or something
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1305270
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I've been working on a product that fits this list, a quick disassembly part for fixed PMAGs to address doublefeed malfuctions:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1313126
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Super idea for a post - +1 for a sticky!!!

Id like to see all compliance categories stickied and updated - getting hard to keep track of all of them individually.
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Here's another one to add to the list.

Precision Tactical AR LOK. http://www.precisiontacticalinc.com/...ty-device.html
If you scroll to the bottom they have a video.
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Here's another one to add to the list.

Precision Tactical AR LOK. http://www.precisiontacticalinc.com/...ty-device.html
If you scroll to the bottom they have a video.
That does NOT comply as a fixed magazine in 2017 and beyond.
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Perhaps in the list, you could denote which items are actually available to buy right now, versus which ones are vaporware and may never come to fruition. We've all seen more than a few manufacturers pull the plug after recent threatening letters from a certain butthurt company.
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Perhaps in the list, you could denote which items are actually available to buy right now, versus which ones are vaporware and may never come to fruition. We've all seen more than a few manufacturers pull the plug after recent threatening letters from a certain butthurt company.
Who is going to keep that data up-to-date?
It changes weekly.
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Who is going to keep that data up-to-date?
It changes weekly.
Well since the OP hasn't revised this list in well over a month, I'm guessing the answer is not him
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I'd think this could be sticky
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...0#post19385990

The argument is whether the magazine retention functionality constitutes part of the semiauto action. (*Revised opinion) I prefer not to state my opinion. It depends on if the ability to load a magazine into the weapon, is therefore part of the "action" of the semiauto. They claim the DOJ agrees with them on this. But there may be edge cases I do not consider, and will not speculate on.

It is possible to manually chamber a round and discharge. However, that would then be single-shot/bolt-action. Does disabling the ability to positively retain a magazine make it no longer "a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle" regulated under SB880? I would think so. However I am concerned about the text of the law* (*correction, the revoked 12/31/16 DOJ interpretation http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...3#post19419733 ) that says lacking a release is considered "detachable magazine". This is murkier. This retains it, but disables it positively.

But when the rule of law has devolved into "because I said so", there is little meaning to debate. I agree with you it remains to be proven legally. And I would not wish to be that individual. The goal of intimidation and disenfranchisement is accomplished.
The issue at hand is that the magazine CAN be removed without disassembly of the action.
The lock comes with a tool for that very purpose.
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