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Legislators are already talking about any device/means that increases the rate of fire for restrictions. As I read it that could even be a lighter trigger, etc.
It's vague either by design or omission. Either way that is why we contact the Republicans who may be behind this bill and explain to them why the verbiage needs to change to specifically regulate bump stock / slide fire if that is going to be the intent of the new law.
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If I think full auto should be legal why would I want a bumpstop ban?
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a lot of stupid laws we have are the kind courtesy of the NRA. Take the 1986 mg ban. Us people keep drinking the same piss and keep calling it lemonade. Now the NRA is attacking bump stocks.
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I see the NRA "pushing" its members for more $, working some on lawsuits, but doing nothing legislatively. HR38 is a prime example.
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a lot of stupid laws we have are the kind courtesy of the NRA. Take the 1986 mg ban. Us people keep drinking the same piss and keep calling it lemonade. Now the NRA is attacking bump stocks.
You obviously don't know history.

Hint... The NRA HAD NOTHING to do with the MG restrictions
that where Disingenuously shoved onto a Pro Gun bill by Democrat Hughes,
then dishonestly rammed thru By this Democrat:





Since you need a history lesson on the Firearm Owners Protection Act:
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Without the NRA, the Democrats would have succeeded in nullifying most of
the Second Amendment, with the election of Hillary being the coup de grâce.


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I hate eggplant. The local grocery store has eggplant. Therefore I will never shop there again.

Sounds dumb,

But that is the same logic some of you use to attack the NRA.

NRA does lots of good things for us. So does GOA. Both do things I don't like, like selling eggplant. Support the things they do for us and leave the eggplant for someone else. Or voice to them your dislike that they sell eggplant when you send your check.

But not supporting them because they only do 90% helps no one.
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You obviously don't know history.

Hint... The NRA HAD NOTHING to do with the MG restrictions
that where Disingenuously shoved onto a Pro Gun bill by Democrat Hughes,
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Without the NRA, the Democrats would have succeeded in nullifying most of
the Second Amendment, with the election of Hillary being the coup de grâce.


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I know history and rather well Mr. Obviously!. NRA's attitude towards MGs was just like what they think of the Bump Fire Stock today. You need to get a bit deeper in history and quit just skimming over it.

Companies like Colt cancelled Dealers if they legally sold select fire guns to the public. NRA dirctors wanted larger cap mags banned and the list goes on. Just like these scum are attacking the BFStock now. FYI, I am a NRA benefactor member!
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If the NRA has all this clout to protect my rights why haven't they done it by now? If they are this fearsome and awesome why aren't the legislators in every state and Washington afraid of them? For years I have equated the NRA with the type of threats I hear coming out of North Korea and see nothing happening. No politicians, booted out, no crippling laws defeated, and certainly not many important court wins unless people are willing to shell out more and more money in what sounds like extortion and a con job. The NRA can throw good conventions and make great speeches and then everyone goes home and lives with the likes of Brown, Newsome, and others. And don't we have lawyers smarter than these buffoons we elected. We are certainly smarter but we elected them and now we can't get them recalled. Oh, i forgot the gun organizations have to have more money and more money while not producing any results. SO FAR EVERY ORGANIZATION INCLUDING THE nra IS FAILING US. there is no reason for any person to explain him or her self on this site but there is a need for these organizations to start producing wins for us and without those wins we should not be giving them any money. They have already collected enough and owe us some wins before we start giving them any more money. Don't fight among yourselves but what has your organization done for you lately other than send you a hat and some stickers making you a target for every anti gun nut out there. I have read your comments and now you have mine. Good night or is it good morning?

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facts are that the demographics (and unfortunately the public opinion) have changed over time. We can rattle our Sabre but will only see victory in courts.
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Every time there is a mass shooting I always hear news stories about how the NRA is at fault by stopping laws from being enacted that could have prevented the tragedy. The fact is IMO if the NRA actually had as much power as some would like us to think we would have way less anti gun laws in force on a nationwide basis at both local and federal levels.
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The NRA purpose is the promotion of rifle practice in the USA...

Since 1871 when chartered its intent was to train civilians in the use of firearms to help the cause of national defence.

NRA Appears to have met its goal. GOA working on its goal.

There is a storm brewing each time some nut takes a gun and goes bizarre. This has happened again and may continue. We need everyone working together to keep congress from knee jerking laws further eroding 2nd A right.
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Kind of don't understand the thinking. How many Democrats are there in the State Senate? 27 out of 40. How many Democrats are there in the State Assembly? 54 out of 80. The answer is simple math. With a 2 to 1 majority the Democrats can do whatever they please in California. So it is safe to say the Republicans, the NRA, the CRPA, the GOA, and/or any other Second Amendment group cannot change laws in this state. Until more Democrats are voted out none of the laws favoring the Second Amendment can be changed.

Don't support the NRA then watch what happens. After California falls who is left to stop the anti's? Nevada counties are mostly BLM lands. Oregon has headed towards anti-2A. Washington is way ahead of Oregon. Arizona is slowly moving to be anti-2A. From there Idaho, Montana, etc, etc don't have the populations necessary to stop this wave of destruction of our rights.

So go ahead and be ticked off at the NRA. Yeah there are things they do that we may not like or agree on, but bottom line, they are all we have. I can only speak for myself, but I will continue to support the NRA as well as try to help sign up as many new members as possible. It all comes down to being a numbers game.
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Don't support the NRA then watch what happens. After California falls who is left to stop the anti's? Nevada counties are mostly BLM lands. Oregon has headed towards anti-2A. Washington is way ahead of Oregon. Arizona is slowly moving to be anti-2A. From there Idaho, Montana, etc, etc don't have the populations necessary to stop this wave of destruction of our rights.
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When these jackasses make statements to ban any device, they are not exactly representing many. The want the ATF to be more proactive? What stupidity NRA is exhibiting.
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The NRA didn't call for a ban. The NRA stated the ATF review whether these devices comply with federal law. That is long way from proposing to ban them.

The NRA is not going to advocate for new legislation that bans anything.
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I know history and rather well Mr. Obviously!. NRA's attitude towards MGs was just like what they think of the Bump Fire Stock today. You need to get a bit deeper in history and quit just skimming over it.

Companies like Colt cancelled Dealers if they legally sold select fire guns to the public. NRA dirctors wanted larger cap mags banned and the list goes on. Just like these scum are attacking the BFStock now. FYI, I am a NRA benefactor member!
Fellow Benefactor NRA Member here as well...

FOPA was a Pro Gun Bill pushed by the NRA.

DEMOCRATS sabotaged it by inserting the Machine Gun Crap into it.

DEMOCRAT Charles Rangel, of ill repute, refused to call for a Recorded
Vote
, after he asserted it had passed by Voice, which many claimed
it had not. A recorded Vote would no doubt had exposed this, hence
Rangel refused to do, after being challenged on it.

He knew it would not pass if a Recorded Vote was taken.

So the proper Blame is, once again, ON THE DEMOCRATS who came up
with the MG Sabotage, then dishonestly shoved it thru the house without
a properly recorded Vote.


And equating this to the Bump Stocks situation is wildly inaccurate.

The NRA move on Bump Stocks was, as usual for them, Political Astute,
if not Brilliant. Don't Agree with me ? Allow me to update you on the
current state of the Bump Stocks:


The NRA’s Position on Bump Fire Stocks was Genius
The Truth About Guns. Johannes Paulsen | Oct 08, 2017
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...stocks-genius/

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That was good by itself. But the NRA also laid a subtle trap for its opponents.

They said regulations should be reviewed — and they encouraged the BATFE
to do so. Not Congress. Now, if the gun control left wants a quick win for
which they can gain political credit, they need to endorse Steve Bannon’s
position on the administrative state.

Yes, that’s right, the NRA just walked away from a losing hand and
moved to the most favorable ground possible.

And, the results of the NRA strategy is now becoming apparent:


As NRA slows momentum on bump stock ban, the
once-obscure device flies off the shelves

The Boston Globe. October 28, 2017
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nat...nCI/story.html

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The National Rifle Association blunted the push for rapid action. In the fine
print of the NRA’s statement on the shooting, released four days after the
killings, the group expressed surprising openness to regulating bump stocks,
But its suggestion to leave the issue to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives has stymied all movement in Congress to pass
a new law.

The ATF said in 2010 and 2012 that it does not have authority to ban
the stocks.
Just about all of the proposed Bills Banning Bump Stocks, at this point in time,
only have a 1% chance of being enacted, per Skopos Labs.

The exception is HR 3999, which has only about a 10% chance of being
enacted according to Skopos Labs. Putting it another way, it has a 90%
chance of failing. I like those odds...
H.R. 3999:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr3999


Even the Anti Gun Washington Post now realizes how the NRA strategy
out maneuvered them:



Looks like Congress is bowing to the NRA once again
Washington Post Editorial Board, October 26
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.6a5df296d684

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Punting the issue to the ATF sets up a catch-22 that ensures no meaningful
action will be taken — which is probably what the NRA cynically envisioned.

Even if the ATF were to reverse its findings and try to reclassify bump stocks,
the likely result would be lawsuits from the manufacturers of these devices,
no doubt supported by the NRA.

The more people that Support the NRA, the more we increase the chances
of rolling back all this Gun Control Idiocy that has enveloped Leftist Enclaves
like New York and California.

If your not an NRA member, stop waiting, join now and stand with the
Millions of NRA members like myself to protect everyones 2nd Am. Rights.

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When these jackasses make statements to ban any device, they are not exactly representing many. The want the ATF to be more proactive? What stupidity NRA is exhibiting.
When alleged 2A Supporters misstate what the NRA said either deliberately or ignorantly it hurts our cause even more.

Why keep repeating the anti dialog? How about you read the actual statement the NRA made. Or if you already have how about you stop misrepresenting what they said?

Unless your true objective is anti NRA or anti 2A????
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Like what Denzel said in Training Day: "The sh#t is chess, it ain't checkers".

The more we fight among ourselves the more Bloomberg is laughing.

Join the NRA, get involved by calling and sending e-mails. The CA legislators have to count the phone calls. Get involved now!
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If these organizations were smart they would all join up together to increase their numbers and support. Instaed they fight among themselves.
I'd opine they don't fight among themselves to the same degree as do California gun owners...this thread is a good example.


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The GOA is the “mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore” alternative to the NRA. But what is their legislative record independent of the NRA.
Not even close to the NRAs record. No GOA rep appeared in Idaho 2 years ago when constitutional carry was approved. The NRA was definitely here. I see no donations to legislators here from GOA...plenty from the NRA. Why?


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That might be some trade: swap bump stocks for silencers and national concealed carry. That is still a lesser evil (getting two out of three) than getting NONE of the three altogether.

Yes, I must confess, I have a much greater need to BOTH protect my hearing while shooting varmints all day long and be able to take my gun for protection every state I travel in than to be able to fire a self-loader Rambo-style to look cool.

Still, I doubt if even Gun Owners of America would go for that compromise.
More frogs-in-the-pot comments...polls here prior to FBHOs 2 presidential elections thought a fair trade might be mandatory background checks for the entire country in trade for California shall-issue CWPs. Ayes led nays by 2 to 1.

Shameful, not to mention a bit brain washed.


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It is anti-gun or divide to try and inform people of the Gun Owners of America? Should we just blindly follow the NRA? What I am "preaching" is that we can support more than just the NRA. I am a Life Member of BOTH organizations. I would like to eventually become a member of the Second Amendment Foundation.

I guess that I moron by your definition because I do believe that the NRA should have defended bump stocks. Legislators are already talking about any device/means that increases the rate of fire for restrictions. As I read it that could even be a lighter trigger, etc.

I am done trying to explain myself. God Bless.
The NRA simply agreed to a re-look. BATFE has already done that twice and found no conflict with the NFA. I'm wondering why they'd change their stance now.


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Kind of don't understand the thinking. How many Democrats are there in the State Senate? 27 out of 40. How many Democrats are there in the State Assembly? 54 out of 80. The answer is simple math. With a 2 to 1 majority the Democrats can do whatever they please in California. So it is safe to say the Republicans, the NRA, the CRPA, the GOA, and/or any other Second Amendment group cannot change laws in this state. Until more Democrats are voted out none of the laws favoring the Second Amendment can be changed.

Don't support the NRA then watch what happens. After California falls who is left to stop the anti's? Nevada counties are mostly BLM lands. Oregon has headed towards anti-2A. Washington is way ahead of Oregon. Arizona is slowly moving to be anti-2A. From there Idaho, Montana, etc, etc don't have the populations necessary to stop this wave of destruction of our rights.

So go ahead and be ticked off at the NRA. Yeah there are things they do that we may not like or agree on, but bottom line, they are all we have. I can only speak for myself, but I will continue to support the NRA as well as try to help sign up as many new members as possible. It all comes down to being a numbers game.
/and Thread. At least as far as California failing without the NRA. California, as you pointed out, has zero chance of electing enough reps in favor of the 2nd Amendment as written...too many Democrat / Libtard /Progressives.

Califorication continues, though I'd suggest you don't know much about Idaho politics and the 2nd Amendment. Here's what Article I, Section 11 has to say...

SECTION 11. RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. The people have the right to keep and bear arms, which right shall not be abridged; but this provision shall not prevent the passage of laws to govern the carrying of weapons concealed on the person nor prevent passage of legislation providing minimum sentences for crimes committed while in possession of a firearm, nor prevent the passage of legislation providing penalties for the possession of firearms by a convicted felon, nor prevent the passage of any legislation punishing the use of a firearm. No law shall impose licensure, registration or special taxation on the ownership or possession of firearms or ammunition. Nor shall any law permit the confiscation of firearms, except those actually used in the commission of a felony.

Laws proposing restrictions of any sort end up in a desk drawer.
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The GOA has all but never helped unelect a bad or elect a progun legislator nor stopped a bad law
nor drove a good law. It doesn't have much of a litigation strategy. It may back some suits,
which is laudable, with amicus briefs.

They can't get in any doors in the Capitol that are not already already open to progunners - whereas
the NRA can get in to Congressional offices that don't even like them, because 'they must be heard'.
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The NRA didn't call for a ban. The NRA stated the ATF review whether these devices comply with federal law. That is long way from proposing to ban them.

The NRA is not going to advocate for new legislation that bans anything.
Correct. Delay & divert and stall.
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Noble Cause,

Thank you for the Rangel update on FOPA '86 and how that was sneaked thru outside procedure.

Lower IQ people can't understand that it's not NRA's fault.
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Traitors may be a strong word but you get the idea. I believe the main reason that the NRA has recently grown a spine and not shown more of its true colors such as with the bump stocks is the Gun Owners of America. The GOA has been nipping on the NRAs heels for some time. GOA has been gaining members and influence. This has moved the NRA to the right. The GOA does not need to move because it is already there. Check them out. Watch some of Erich Pratt's interviews. Erich really takes apart the narrative that they try to spin on TV. Erich reminds me alot of Donald Trump. Become a member. Lifetime membership is only $500 and can be made in payments! The GOA is the only legit national alternative to the NRA.

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Noble Cause,

Thank you for the Rangel update on FOPA '86 and how that was sneaked thru outside procedure.

Lower IQ people can't understand that it's not NRA's fault.
While I absolutely despise that amendment and would love to watch Charles Rangel burn in a grease fire, if it weren't for the process used there, we wouldn't have the ability to carry in national parks attached to the credit card bill. Unfortunately people seem to be unable to separate the wheat from the chaff where these things are concerned. The analogy would be to praise Elizabeth Warren for national park carry.
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When alleged 2A Supporters misstate what the NRA said either deliberately
or ignorantly it hurts our cause even more.

Why keep repeating the anti dialog? How about you read the actual statement
the NRA made. Or if you already have how about you stop misrepresenting
what they said?

Unless your true objective is anti NRA or anti 2A????
That's why we are forced to respond to these types of posts with the Truth.

People reading the thread need to see the actual facts of the matter, less
they start to believe some of the Crapola being spewed out.

An Ignorant Gun Owner Spouting off inaccurate Nonsense can be just as
damaging to protecting the 2nd Am. as one of Bloomberg's Anti Gun Minions.



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Noble Cause,

Thank you for the Rangel update on FOPA '86 and how that was sneaked thru outside procedure.

Lower IQ people can't understand that it's not NRA's fault.
Appreciate the comment, Mr Wiese.



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While I absolutely despise that amendment and would love to watch
Charles Rangel burn in a grease fire, if it weren't for the process used
there, we wouldn't have the ability to carry in national parks attached to
the credit card bill. Unfortunately people seem to be unable to separate
the wheat from the chaff where these things are concerned. The analogy
would be to praise Elizabeth Warren for national park carry.
Yep. People don't understand the process, and I've had Obama supporters
tell me National Parks Carry is evidence Obama is Pro Gun.

Democrat Rangel is basically a Scumbag repeatedly elected to office
by Democrats even after his being found Guilty of Ethic Violations,
and incredibly did not leave office until January of 2017

Unable to find him in a Grease Fire, ,
but here he is Roasting on a Beach:






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I've had Obama supporters tell me National Parks Carry is evidence Obama is Pro Gun.

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Had a guy here try and say Obama must have been taken to.a range and changed his stance on guns. Seriously. He actually said that.
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People like you sir, would rather win a battle and be a step closer to losing the war...You would do well to understand the difference between pragmatic and dogmatic people and institutions and then step back and see which are more effective and which accomplish their goals...

Here is a kick start to your education....
prag·mat·ic
praɡˈmadik /adjective
dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.

I am definitely not that eloquent so how about you attack my statements rather than my person and tell me how I need to educated. How about a discourse? What I am trying to state is that the NRA does a lot of good BUT without some sort of alternative the NRA seems to get into compromise mode. I don't see this as a good thing.
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I am definitely not that eloquent so how about you attack my statements rather than my person and tell me how I need to educated. How about a discourse? What I am trying to state is that the NRA does a lot of good BUT without some sort of alternative the NRA seems to get into compromise mode. I don't see this as a good thing.
Competition is always good. Sometimes even the perception of competition works - that's why the toothpaste, potato chip & tonic and soap suds aisles are filled with different brand names offered by the same company. I've no issue with an organization blowing its own horn. What I object to is degrading another organization. If a group has to resort to that sort of thing to make themselves look good, it simply doesn't speak well of their attributes or collective character.

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I've had Obama supporters tell me National Parks Carry is evidence Obama is Pro Gun.

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Had a guy here try and say Obama must have been taken to.a range and changed his stance on guns. Seriously. He actually said that.
Case in point:

Check out this thread:
Here we go again: And now another call to impeach President Trump
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1394838

In which we have such Gems as:


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LOL
In a strange way, Obama has actuallly done more for our gun rights than
Trump has. Now I can carry in a National Federal Park because of Obama.

Trump? What has he done for my gun rights? He better hurry and do
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My gun rights were doing pretty good until I moved back to California.
Both Obama and Texas were increasing them at a spectacular rate.

California and Trump has only been downhill.
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Posting like that are so nonsensical they literally give me a headache.


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Case in point:

Check out this thread:
Here we go again: And now another call to impeach President Trump
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1394838

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(Emphasis mine)

Posting like that are so nonsensical they literally give me a headache.


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Yeah. I get the distinct aroma of troll for some reason.
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Yeah. I get the distinct aroma of troll for some reason.
Same here.

Congress passed a credit card bill the President wouldn't have dared veto and all of a sudden years of anti-gun policy and SCOTUS appointments are wiped clean in the eyes of the truly self-deceived. Never mind the anti-gun appointments and those million or so M1s, Garands, 191s left overseas.

Don't you wish the "I like Obama" folks had to abide by the gun laws he supported?
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This is nothing new. GOA isn't 'nipping at the NRA's heals' so much as they're poking them in the butt.

The NRA is very sensitive to their membership and many GOA members are also members of NRA. So, as soon as GOA starts telling their members that the NRA has gone soft, the GOA/NRA members start in on the NRA and the NRA starts taking a harder line.

On perspective (not necessarily mine) would be that GOA is the NRA's conscience or that GOA keeps NRA 'honest'.
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You obviously don't know history.

Hint... The NRA HAD NOTHING to do with the MG restrictions
that where Disingenuously shoved onto a Pro Gun bill by Democrat Hughes,
then dishonestly rammed thru By this Democrat:





Since you need a history lesson on the Firearm Owners Protection Act:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire...Protection_Act


Without the NRA, the Democrats would have succeeded in nullifying most of
the Second Amendment, with the election of Hillary being the coup de grâce.


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Hughes, their's a guy id like to punch in the mouth.
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