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Important: Nomenclature - Semiautomatic Ban, Carry License
The strategic battlefield has changed and it is now time for all supporters of the Second Amendment to change how we refer to certain things.
We've talked about this before on this board, but in the past it either wasn't time, or we were asking people to be precise. Now I want to ask people to be even more precise - and yes this is serious. We do not have an assault weapons ban. We have a ban on some semiautomatic rifles. It is not a CCW permit. It is a carry license. Examples: You do not have a RAW, you have a registered banned semiautomatic rifle. We are in court and the media talking about these things. The items I highlight are the distilled truth (and in fact are used to describe the made up terms in the laws themselves) of the matter. We need to get into the habit of using these terms because they are true and they undermine the power of the other side. Say Voldermort. Saying "assault weapon" is say "he who shall not be named." I'm tempted to start fining at least CGF board members (self inclusive) $10 CGF donations every time they don't use these right terms. I'd even entertain others accepting the same for the rest of the community. It's time we call this stuff by it's proper name because carry is a right and semiautomatic rifles and handguns are common and thus arms. -Gene
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Apply the $10 fee to calguns.net forum "board" members - will be much more lucrative.
Pre-payment for $50 worth of AWB references inbound.
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Gottcha
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I like the new terms much better
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I have long distained the reference to a 12050 license as a CCW... I have explained to people on more than one occasion that a CCW is a special endorsement for peace officers and does not apply to 'regular people'. And further, that concealed is only one kind of carry license provided in the statute (there are two).
The problem is that people are so stuck on using 'CCW' it is difficult to train them to use 'LTC' (license to carry), which is statutorily more accurrate. Some references to this can be found here on Calguns as well as 'other' forums I frequent.
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Gene,
You've lost all your credibility with me by making Harry Potter references
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-Gene
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Is that from Harry Potter? I thought Harry Potter was a witch or something. Does it have guns? Maybe it would be worth reading.
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And what about this thread title? http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/f...play.php?f=116
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Consider all future references to the fact of the matter done on my end. Thanks Gene! |
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I am completely with you on this, Gene. Some people don't get the importance of nomenclature and framing things to our advantage. I definitely do. It's why I refuse to call the 10 round limit a ban on "high capacity magazines" that one also works against us, because it frames anything over 10 rounds as excessive, even when standard Glock / LEA mags are way over that figure.
I know some people don't like the practice of changing the nomenclature, because they find it to be confusing. The problem is, the longer we stay with the terminology created by the other side, the longer we singe ridiculous notions in the minds of those less educated on self defense rights. Enough of the BS smoke and mirrors.
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understood
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If you choose to read Harry Potter that way it's awesome, any other way it's lame.
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The ban on (import of) high capacity magazines is a ban on (import of) magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds, or more succinctly put is a 10 round limit. It's worth noting in any conversation with an anti that typical Glocks used by police and folks all around the country have 17 round magazines. 10 is well below that number.
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Last edited by CalBear; 08-06-2011 at 9:35 PM.. |
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-Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Just thinking, should the "CCW Discussion" forum be re-named?
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Yep. Wheels are in motion.
I expect things will look different in -Gene
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Gene Hoffman Chairman, California Gun Rights Foundation DONATE NOW to support the rights of California gun owners. Follow @cgfgunrights on Twitter. Opinions posted in this account are my own and not the approved position of any organization. I read PMs. But, if you need a response, include an email address or email me directly! "The problem with being a gun rights supporter is that the left hates guns and the right hates rights." -Anon
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Done!
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I will do my best to use the term carry license but I will say that old habits will die hard. As for making donation if I slip would be nice but right now I am too broke to even pay attention.
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I like where this is going, I'm in. I agree that we can only purchase restricted capacity mags in CA, not standard capacity.
I hope to someday have a Carry License too......
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I like these subtle changes. Words mean things, and the better we play the word game, the more minds we can sway.
Should make the gun show booths more lively for the first time or two with all the fines being dropped in the box....
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It'll take some time and effort to change everything but this is a good idea.
There's a lot to this forum so I'm sure I'll miss some things, if you see some thing I've missed report it so I'll see it.
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I would even be inclined to drop the "banned" and just call it a "registered semi-automatic rifle".
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-Gene
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