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Old 03-13-2010, 10:04 PM
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Anyone with personal experience on these? How they handle, reliability, and problems associated with the gas pistons? How's the recoil with the 7.62x51mm NATO?

Was thinking about getting one.

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Old 03-13-2010, 10:10 PM
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This one looks pretty good. It will be on average with the rest of the rifles in terms of price. $1500-$3000 is what you will expect to pay for a really good rifle. It falls inbetween that range.

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Would the stock need to pinned so that it doesn't fold? Or will be over 30" even when folded?
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isnt it 26"?
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That one looks good because it's an SBR...
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Would the 17S need to be pinned? Not the one pictured above.
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isnt it 26"?
26" is Federal law. 30" is Cali law.

Yes, the folding part of the stock would have to be pinned to maintain a legal length. Retractable is still fine, just no folding unless you pin a long muzzle device onto the barrel.
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The FN SCAR17S has not been released onto civilian market.

Expected release is Q4 2010.


CA assault weapons laws, requires a 30" or greater OAL and a fixed 10 rounds or less magazine for the FN SCAR17S.
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CA assault weapons laws, requires a 30" or greater OAL and a fixed 10 rounds or less magazine for the FN SCAR17S.
You could modify it to be featureless, too.

I handled one at SHOT, they seem nice enough, but no different than the 16. I told the FN rep that it seemed really light, lighter than I would want in a rifle firing 7.62NATO, but he assured me that the recoil is actually quite manageable.
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You could modify it to be featureless, too.
True, you could go the featureless route.
But, IMO, why would you? You trade off too many things (no extending stock, no flash hider/suppressor, no VFG) just so you can have detachable 10 round or less magazines (the SCAR17S uses proprietary magazines that were not created until after 01-01-2000).
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Would the pinned stock have to be permanent? Or can it be something that can be returned to factory condition in a free state?
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Would the pinned stock have to be permanent? Or can it be something that can be returned to factory condition in a free state?
It does not have to be permanent.
Just rendered open/extended and non-operatible while in CA.
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True, you could go the featureless route.
But, IMO, why would you? You trade off too many things (no extending stock, no flash hider/suppressor, no VFG) just so you can have detachable 10 round or less magazines (the SCAR17S uses proprietary magazines that were not created until after 01-01-2000).
I didn't realize it use proprietary mags. That's blowful.
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the mags the I played with look a lot like FAL Mags.
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That one looks good because it's an SBR...
And its the only version I would own..
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I checked out a black SCAR 16L the other day. The price tag is high, and once I handled it, I didn't think it lived up to the hype.

It looks like a G36 modified to a more AR-15 style, with a bigger bolt carrier.
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26" is Federal law. 30" is Cali law.

Yes, the folding part of the stock would have to be pinned to maintain a legal length. Retractable is still fine, just no folding unless you pin a long muzzle device onto the barrel.
Just to clarify, the muzzle device on a 16" barrel wouldn't have to be pinned since it is for OAL and not barrel length.
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The SCAR 17S is lighter than the Bushmaster ACR.
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Just to clarify, the muzzle device on a 16" barrel wouldn't have to be pinned since it is for OAL and not barrel length.
Thank you.

But yea, for the SCARs its easier just to pin the folding rather then pin the barrel.
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Thank you.

But yea, for the SCARs its easier just to pin the folding rather then pin the barrel.
It's also easy to add a longer muzzle break and make it 30" even with the stock folded. It's what I did with mine, anyway.
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All depends on what muzzle device you are running, a SCAR with a long AAC /surefire type like shown below might make it past 30" with stock folded...might

Thats an old prototype pic, final version looks like this :




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All depends on what muzzle device you are running, a SCAR with a long AAC /surefire type like shown below might make it past 30" with stock folded...might

Thats an old prototype pic, final version looks like this :

Top pic is way way too long, almost like a rake. lol

Second one and bottom one would work fine. If I ever bought one of these it would look as much as like the prototype as I could get it.
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All depends on what muzzle device you are running, a SCAR with a long AAC /surefire type like shown below might make it past 30" with stock folded...might

Thats an old prototype pic, final version looks like this :

Those pics are of the FN MK 17.

Here are actual pics of the FN SCAR-17S (civilian version).

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That stock looks like someone stole a boot-stretcher....




The SCAR stock is a "Storm Trooper" boot. That's where they got the idea from.
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I think I'm goin to have to get one after they are out for a bit,
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I'll wait for the special surpose target version SSR?
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The SCAR-H SSR was too heavy IMHO. I played with one at SHOT. The normal SCAR-H is surprisingly light.
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What is a good platform for the .308?

I like the "tactical carbine" of the FN 17S and its been adopted by the SOCOM.

How about a Springfield SOCOM II?? I could replace the stock with maybe a Vltor M14 stock. But that's added work and time.

And the LWRC REPR is having magazine issues.

Just wanted a "carbine" semi-auto in a .308 platform. And if it can be a little different than a AR10 would be nice. Just looking for something a little different from a traditional AR platform.

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What is a good platform for the .308?

I like the "tactical carbine" of the FN 17S and its been adopted by the SOCOM.

How about a Springfield SOCOM II?? I could replace the stock with maybe a Vltor M14 stock. But that's added work and time.

And the LWRC REPR is having magazine issues.

Just wanted a "carbine" semi-auto in a .308 platform. And if it can be a little different than a AR10 would be nice. Just looking for something a little different from a traditional AR platform.

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You could buy all three of these and ammo for what the SCAR will cost you, and they're all a proven platform.

You can get the SOCOMII, but don't put that in a folding/PG stock as you would then have to fix the magazine, which is dumb.
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