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Anyone who would *like to* apply to KCSO without jumping through all of the hoops, please send your name, phone, and email address to: bcombs at calgunsfoundation.org.
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I just started working on my Kings County CCW. I'll keep you up to date on the process.
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I picked up my Hanford P.D. CCW packet today.
I'll begin the process and keep apprised of steps here.
Please PM or email any updates I should be aware of.
Thank you, tj

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I picked up my Hanford P.D. CCW packet today.
I'll begin the process and keep apprised of steps here.
Please PM or email any updates I should be aware of.
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Curious why P.D. instead of the Sheriff?
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The Kings County Sheriff requires that you apply through your local Police Chief. Should the local P.D. decline the request then the Sheriff's Dept. will review the application and make a decision on the issue.
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2. Do you reside inside the city limits of Avenal, Corcoran, Hanford or
Lemoore?
If your answer is no and you reside in the unincorporated of Kings County,
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If your answer is yes, please contact the Police Department of the city in which
you reside. If your application gets denied by your local police department, you
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The Kings County Sheriff requires that you apply through your local Police Chief. Should the local P.D. decline the request then the Sheriff's Dept. will review the application and make a decision on the issue.
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The entire point of CalGuns Foundation's License-to-Carry Initiative is to remove illegal burdens (like this one). Did you guys contact Wildhawker? It's actually easier and cheaper to apply through the CGF's process (State Law) than it is to attempt to comply with the Sheriff's illegal policy (arbitrary, 'made up' rules that do not comply with State Law [illegal]).

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I emailed bcombs and have not heard back so I decided to begin the front door process. I'll PM this time in reference to this thread to see if it's being followed and if another channel can be utilized. - tj
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It's actually easier and cheaper to apply through the CGF's process
I've searched the foundation site and cannot find the route to do this. Any direction? Thanks.
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I emailed bcombs and have not heard back so I decided to begin the front door process. I'll PM this time in reference to this thread to see if it's being followed and if another channel can be utilized. - tj
How long ago? Keep in mind that there are only a small handful of people working on documents & processes for all 58 Counties, including the ones with open lawsuits, so it might be a few days before he can reply.

Kings County License to Carry page, read through the links, namely the 'fillable DOJ standard application' (has an example and a fillable application) and then read through the Sheriff's 'Local CCW Policy', it's a sad joke. Also, see the known accepted Good Cause Statements to see if any are similar to yours...all things considered legally equal, if they've approved someone else but deny you for a similar GC, they're uh, well, it would be unwise of them to do so

You didn't pay for your Hanford PD application yet, did you? That's one area they like to get people, illegally require applicants to get denied (and pay) through Hanford PD first, then you can pay your fees to the Sheriff, THEN they'll tell you if you're good enough for them.
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Application is complete and I'm gathering my three reference letters now.
It's 11 bucks to submit.
Prior to submitting the rest of the other fees, I'll visit Chief Maestas to see about the likelihood of getting permitted.
If it gets sideways, I'll request an outright denial and pursue the KCSO.
My contact there indicates high incidence of permitting.

Look, if these guys are stretched thin, I can relate.
Three weeks is reasonable to wait for a reply to a request for information.
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Application is complete and I'm gathering my three reference letters now.
It's 11 bucks to submit.
Prior to submitting the rest of the other fees, I'll visit Chief Maestas to see about the likelihood of getting permitted.
If it gets sideways, I'll request an outright denial and pursue the KCSO.
My contact there indicates high incidence of permitting.


Look, if these guys are stretched thin, I can relate.
Three weeks is reasonable to wait for a reply to a request for information.
I was responding to:

How is this moving along?
Still pending?


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Interesting timing of your inquiry, I am just sitting down after completing my CCW class, now have that certificate to present w/packet.
My three recc'd. letters are still not completed.
One of my letters is coming from active LEO so I'm not pressing it's completion. The other two are from retired professionals, and I'm having some difficulty crossing paths with them. Now that the CCW class has been completed, I'm putting the process back on front burner.
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The Kings County Sheriff requires that you apply through your local Police Chief. Should the local P.D. decline the request then the Sheriff's Dept. will review the application and make a decision on the issue.
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2. Do you reside inside the city limits of Avenal, Corcoran, Hanford or
Lemoore?
If your answer is no and you reside in the unincorporated of Kings County,
please proceed to the next question.
If your answer is yes, please contact the Police Department of the city in which
you reside. If your application gets denied by your local police department, you
may then be eligible to apply with the Kings County Sheriff.-tj
I'm glad you both mentioned that, it's one of the many parts of their policy that are in direct conflict with State Law.

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Interesting timing of your inquiry, I am just sitting down after completing my CCW class, now have that certificate to present w/packet.
My three recc'd. letters are still not completed.
One of my letters is coming from active LEO so I'm not pressing it's completion. The other two are from retired professionals, and I'm having some difficulty crossing paths with them. Now that the CCW class has been completed, I'm putting the process back on front burner.
More later.
The three letters fall under the category of any documentation in addition to the Standard Application, which is not allowed by State Law. If they can articulate a substantive reason to believe that you're lying under penalty of perjury on a State form, that could be grounds for more investigation.

Besides, what are three letters going to prove, that you can find 3 people to say nice things about you?? Or that you know "someone"...business deals, benefits and privileges are for the "good ole boys club", not Civil Rights issues.

I guess your documentation of complying with the illegal application process could potentially benefit other people just so they can see how ridiculous it is...
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Thanks for the update O_S_P_76, I'm fixing to gin up an app here shortly and was curious as to your progress.

greasemonkey I agree this process is more of a hoopex designed to discourage. I think the departments are working together with the wrong attitude. Ought to be reinforcing the common good or at least the perception of it rather than thwarting the law abiding.
No telling what the future holds in store.

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Wife is disabled and I am getting ready to deploy, Live on NAS, I think I go right to the sherriff right?
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Hand-deliver the application to the KCSO and make them give you a denial in writing...then the fun begins Also, don't include a letter from you C.O., seeing as how that's an illegal additional form they're requiring of you.

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I saw this as well, and it concerns me, that is why I am taking orders to Lemoore...


"4. Are you active military or a military dependent?
If your answer is no, you may be eligible to submit a completed application packet to the Kings County Sheriff's Office.
If your answer is yes, you may be eligible to submit a completed application packet to the Kings County Sheriff's Office. Your packet must include a letter from your Commanding Officer stating their awareness of your application and a comment regarding any policy, which may affect your ability to carry a concealed weapon while working."


Can they require this information from my employer?

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Interesting timing of your inquiry, I am just sitting down after completing my CCW class, now have that certificate to present w/packet.
My three recc'd. letters are still not completed.
One of my letters is coming from active LEO so I'm not pressing it's completion. The other two are from retired professionals, and I'm having some difficulty crossing paths with them. Now that the CCW class has been completed, I'm putting the process back on front burner.
More later.
I'm wondering why you took your CCW class when the HFPD instructions say to wait for permit approval before taking?
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An update on my application ...

- Submitted to the Hanford Police Dept. 12/13/11

- Have heard nothing as of today

- Called Debbie Gregory at records today [1/13/12] She stated that the application was passed to the Captain (which only review them once a month) on 12/14/11 and that she has not received it back. She also stated that I will either receive a call from her to come in and get fingerprinted or that I will receive a denial letter in the mail.

Note: She did inform me that more are being approved than are denied. She asked me what my good cause was but had no comment after I informed her.

I guess I will wait a couple more weeks in the hope of hearing something.
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My wife dropped off her completed application packet at the Hanford police department today.

Debbie later called her and stated that three letters of reference were required. She said it's their requirement AND the DOJ's requirement.

Obviously this is in direct conflict with state law. She is nonetheless collecting the letters and will submit them.


How stands the CGF efforts to educate Kings County Sheriff's Office and Hanford PD? It's been 4 or 5 months since this was supposedly going to happen and we made ourselves available to participate, but nothing ever came of it, so she just got tired of waiting and dropped off the application today.

I know CGF has limited resources but it would be nice to know where Kings County stands in the queue of corrective education and action.
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The Kings County sheriff should be receiving a letter tomorrow or Friday.

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Nice. CC the Hanford PD while you're at it!

Thanks for your work.
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Default CCW Class & Prohibited Carry Places -- Were they wrong?

I just completed my CCW class at "The Range" in Fresno. They stated that CCW holders are prohibited from carrying at the following places. Does this sound right?

- All Federal buildings - no brainer

- All State buildings - Really?

- Major sporting events - Really?

- Political events and rallies - Really?

- Schools - ?

Are there official references for where you cannot carry?

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I also did a course at The Range and found instances of inaccurate info such as some of your bullet points. I'm going to send the owner (a lawyer) a letter when I can carve out a couple of hours.
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Great! I hate to see wrong information passed out.
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Several of those points are based off of what restrictions are printed on the back of Fresno County's carry permits. Fresno County has a hefty number of restrictions printed on the back for having a 'friendly' issuance policy.

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- All Federal buildings - no brainer

- All State buildings - Really?

- Major sporting events - Really?

- Political events and rallies - Really?

- Schools - ?

Are there official references for where you cannot carry?

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Several of those points are based off of what restrictions are printed on the back of Fresno County's carry permits. Fresno County has a hefty number of restrictions printed on the back for having a 'friendly' issuance policy.

The course was not directed towards any county, in fact we had students from 5 counties and these statements were said to be state restrictions.
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The course was not directed towards any county, in fact we had students from 5 counties and these statements were said to be state restrictions.
Correct, I was more commenting on why The Range includes some incorrect information in their CCW Course. It's either because County Counsel took notes from The Range or the owner of The Range took notes from County Counsel. Which is which is of little consequence as they're both incorrect.
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- Application submitted to Hanford PD on 12/13/2011 [$11 fee]

- Hanford PD interview -- 2/16/2012

- Fingerprints taken -- 2/29/2012 [$149 fee]

- License Issued -- 3/19/2012

- License restrictions -- None
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- Application submitted to Hanford PD on 12/13/2011 [$11 fee]

- Hanford PD interview -- 2/16/2012

- Fingerprints taken -- 2/29/2012 [$149 fee]

- License Issued -- 3/19/2012

- License restrictions -- None

Win!

Wife should be applying next month. Just have to get her a CA ID.
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- Application submitted to Hanford PD on 12/13/2011 [$11 fee]

- Hanford PD interview -- 2/16/2012

- Fingerprints taken -- 2/29/2012 [$149 fee]

- License Issued -- 3/19/2012

- License restrictions -- None
Did they ask for, and did you provide, the three reference letters?
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Yes they did and I provided.
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According to Kings new posted requirements not only do you need referance letters, but also a letter from your employer as well, this used to be only for active duty military... When will this clown get the picture?
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According to Kings new posted requirements not only do you need referance letters, but also a letter from your employer as well, this used to be only for active duty military... When will this clown get the picture?
Someone needs to apply with CGF on point, make a case out of it. I do wonder what the ramifications of such actions might be in this relatively small community though. Sure we're legally protected from such actions but prove it.
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Ok i got a question since i live in Avenal and i work for a trucking company in huron which is in fresno county would i have to apply for a ccw through kings county or can i apply through fresno county. reason i ask is that my job involves the agriculture industry in transporting to a rancher field and back to the produce processor and seeing that i am alone 95% of the time in the fields and there being a gang problem in huron and a couple of shootings and homicides and the gang members have been known to trespass on rancher property makes me want to apply for a ccw..
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Ok i got a question since i live in Avenal and i work for a trucking company in huron which is in fresno county would i have to apply for a ccw through kings county or can i apply through fresno county. reason i ask is that my job involves the agriculture industry in transporting to a rancher field and back to the produce processor and seeing that i am alone 95% of the time in the fields and there being a gang problem in huron and a couple of shootings and homicides and the gang members have been known to trespass on rancher property makes me want to apply for a ccw..

I'm certain this all goes IAW your home address, your permanent residence. Sounds to me like you have good cause, look at some of the statements that worked to secure a License to Carry.

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While I'm here I'd like to plug the upcoming Friends of the NRA Dinner for all the Kings County, Fresno and Visalia area.

Lemoore FNRA dinner is 23 March 2013 at 5pm.

Dinner tickets are $45 each

Location is West Hills College Golden Eagle Arena, 555 College Ave, Lemoore.

Each year this dinner gets bigger and bigger. We are expecting up to 650 folks this time as all the past ones were sold out.

Dinner pkg's. range from $375 to $5,750 for the Ultimate with 8 dinner tickets.

Each table above the $850 mark gets a choice of rifles.

Come on out, this is a hoot.

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Someone needs to apply with CGF on point, make a case out of it. I do wonder what the ramifications of such actions might be in this relatively small community though. Sure we're legally protected from such actions but prove it.
Hassles are a headache.

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My wife & I have been standing by for two years now, ready and willing to make a case of it, in any manner that CGF felt would be best in a strategic sense. (See page 2 of this thread.) Had some contact with CGF but I guess other areas were a priority.

Kings Co Sheriff refused her app. Eventually applied through the Hanford PD, jumped through all their illegal hoops, denied anyway.

Again,

I'm deployed now, she's given up. We're moving back to Virginia within a year of my return.

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All the links to the good clause statements seem down. Any one else having problems getting to them?
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