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Old 10-09-2019, 2:41 PM
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I currently have an RWS 34 Meisterschultze Pro Compact in .177, but it's a bit louder than I expected when ridding squirrels and mice. Is there a way to quiet it down without affecting performance? I've searched without a ton of luck, wanted to see what you gurus thought.

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Try heavier pellets that slow down the velocity to subsonic.

Unfortunately, springers make more noise than piston rifles. It's not only the pellet breaking the sound barrier, but the spring slamming back and forth. Then there's more noise when the pellet hits the target.

If heavier pellets don't help, you may have to get a new pellet gun in .22 cal. Pick a PCP or a piston break-barrel with a shrouded barrel. A barrel-end permanently attached suppressor also helps.

Some subsonic CO2 guns are very quiet, but have less power and are slow to get into action.
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Hi all.

I currently have an RWS 34 Meisterschultze Pro Compact in .177, but it's a bit louder than I expected when ridding squirrels and mice. Is there a way to quiet it down without affecting performance? I've searched without a ton of luck, wanted to see what you gurus thought.

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Have you shot the rifle very much? Sometimes new spring guns tend to diesel a bit until the excess factory lube gets used up. Try shooting a few tins of pellets and I’d be willing to bet that it will quiet down significantly.

I don’t think I’d worry too much about the pellets breaking the sound barrier. Most spring guns, despite the advertising hype, aren’t shooting pellets at 1100 FPS. And if you are shooting pellets that fast, you’re probably using the wrong type and your gun is going to beat itself up. That’s not a big deal if your rifle is Chinese junk, but you probably wouldn’t want to do it to a nice German gun.
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They have tune kits, though I've never messed with them myself. Spring guns don't sound like guns really, I've never had a neighbor say anything. I do use a quiet trap most of the time, but I also shoot a bunch of clays I hang about.
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I seal the muzzle with black Gorilla tape and shoot thru it a few shots. Once the hole is well rounded there is no loss in accuracy or performance. That usually dampens the sound on my air rifles with solid muzzle brakes.

It's cheap and it works.
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I seal the muzzle with black Gorilla tape and shoot thru it a few shots. Once the hole is well rounded there is no loss in accuracy or performance. That usually dampens the sound on my air rifles with solid muzzle brakes.

It's cheap and it works.
On a springer though, it's not muzzle noise. It's 90% the spring. Proper grease,springs and seals is about all you can do. My FWB Sport is loud as heck, but super smooth. Going down to the lower powered spring would be the most I could do really.
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A co-worker said to use those foam things that kids use in pools to hit each other with. Cut a length and put it on the end.
I haven't tried it myself.
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I have a 22. It’s loud. It scared the neighbors. Haven’t found a fix.
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Have you shot the rifle very much? Sometimes new spring guns tend to diesel a bit until the excess factory lube gets used up. Try shooting a few tins of pellets and I’d be willing to bet that it will quiet down significantly.

I don’t think I’d worry too much about the pellets breaking the sound barrier. Most spring guns, despite the advertising hype, aren’t shooting pellets at 1100 FPS. And if you are shooting pellets that fast, you’re probably using the wrong type and your gun is going to beat itself up. That’s not a big deal if your rifle is Chinese junk, but you probably wouldn’t want to do it to a nice German gun.

No, I have not shot it much at all, mainly because it's to plink around and kill time between hunts while we wait at camp. We have an issue with ground squirrels there, as well as field mice that destroy camp gear. I would venture less than 100 rounds have been shot out of it, and that's also due to the amount of noise. The pellets I have are the H&N field target domed pellets and JSB Diabolo EXACT pellets. They don't vary in volume either way.

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I have a 22. It’s loud. It scared the neighbors. Haven’t found a fix.
Yeah, I haven't shot it much at home, I did it once and my wife thought it was a ND, so that put an end to anything planned.
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No, I have not shot it much at all, mainly because it's to plink around and kill time between hunts while we wait at camp. We have an issue with ground squirrels there, as well as field mice that destroy camp gear. I would venture less than 100 rounds have been shot out of it, and that's also due to the amount of noise. The pellets I have are the H&N field target domed pellets and JSB Diabolo EXACT pellets. They don't vary in volume either way.
One of the H&N Field Target versions is only 5.56 grams, which means they would be screaming fast out of your RWS 34. They will easily be breaking the sound barrier. H&N does have a 8.49, 8.64, and 8.80 gram versions. Are you any of those over the 5.56 gram version? Either way, they might all be breaking the sound barrier. I would try something heavier.

JSB Diabolo Exact's have multiple versions weighing between 7.33 grams and 16.2 grams. Which are you using?

Those who want quiet usually shoot PCP's or piston operated pellet guns. They usually have barrel shrouds and/or permanent muzzle suppressors. They also typically choose .22 caliber because they remain subsonic and have good hitting power.

I personally have a Remington (Crosman) Nitro Piston break barrel in .22 and a Crosman 1322. Both are very quiet. I purchased both because my old .177 Gamo springer break barrel sounded like I was shooting off .22 Long Rifle rimfire.

The Remington in .22 has a shrouded barrel and is piston operated. That's why it's so quiet.

The 1322 doesn't have a shrouded barrel, but it's quiet because you can tailor the number of pumps (power) to the shot you need to take.

Ear plugs are unnecessary with either gun.
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Have you shot the rifle very much? Sometimes new spring guns tend to diesel a bit until the excess factory lube gets used up. Try shooting a few tins of pellets and I’d be willing to bet that it will quiet down significantly.
This.

Yes, the springer action itself makes as much or more noise than the pellet firing.
A Nitro Piston gun will be overall quieter than something like a Gamo Springer Whisper which has a silencer.
PCPs have very little action noise at all but they are higher priced and require a pump or compressor.
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One of the H&N Field Target versions is only 5.56 grams, which means they would be screaming fast out of your RWS 34. They will easily be breaking the sound barrier. H&N does have a 8.49, 8.64, and 8.80 gram versions. Are you any of those over the 5.56 gram version? Either way, they might all be breaking the sound barrier. I would try something heavier.

JSB Diabolo Exact's have multiple versions weighing between 7.33 grams and 16.2 grams. Which are you using?

Those who want quiet usually shoot PCP's or piston operated pellet guns. They usually have barrel shrouds and/or permanent muzzle suppressors. They also typically choose .22 caliber because they remain subsonic and have good hitting power.

I personally have a Remington (Crosman) Nitro Piston break barrel in .22 and a Crosman 1322. Both are very quiet. I purchased both because my old .177 Gamo springer break barrel sounded like I was shooting off .22 Long Rifle rimfire.

The Remington in .22 has a shrouded barrel and is piston operated. That's why it's so quiet.

The 1322 doesn't have a shrouded barrel, but it's quiet because you can tailor the number of pumps (power) to the shot you need to take.

Ear plugs are unnecessary with either gun.
The JSBs are 7.33, the H&Ns 8.64, so they are not flying exceptionally fast. This model of the 34 has a baffle thing, that's supposed to quiet the gun down, but as some of you have noted, it might just b the springer action making the racket. I'm going to look into taking it apart and re-greasing the action if that's possible and see if that helps. If it's too complicated, then I might just sell it and get something else.
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The JSBs are 7.33, the H&Ns 8.64, so they are not flying exceptionally fast. This model of the 34 has a baffle thing, that's supposed to quiet the gun down, but as some of you have noted, it might just b the springer action making the racket. I'm going to look into taking it apart and re-greasing the action if that's possible and see if that helps. If it's too complicated, then I might just sell it and get something else.
If it's new, it probably won't help much. You might need to find a proper airgun forum. RWS 34s are about the most popular springer ever,so there should be PLENTY of info.
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If it's new, it probably won't help much. You might need to find a proper airgun forum. RWS 34s are about the most popular springer ever,so there should be PLENTY of info.
It will help. The thing to remember is that it doesn’t take much lubrication to work properly. I think the tendency is to use more grease than needed, so if I can offer a little advice, when you put grease around the seal, you should have a feeling that you haven’t put on enough. Just a very thin coating around the outer surface of the seal should do it. Maybe do the same to the outer surface of the piston.

Many online airgun retailers will have a selection of lubes available. Most people use some type of moly grease.
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It will help. The thing to remember is that it doesn’t take much lubrication to work properly. I think the tendency is to use more grease than needed, so if I can offer a little advice, when you put grease around the seal, you should have a feeling that you haven’t put on enough. Just a very thin coating around the outer surface of the seal should do it. Maybe do the same to the outer surface of the piston.

Many online airgun retailers will have a selection of lubes available. Most people use some type of moly grease.
Do you find new guns to be under or over lubed often? I haven't taken enough apart to know myself. I usually won't pull a gun apart until maybe 5k pellets. Hard to believe RWS doesn't have assembly lube down at this point.
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I was just reading an airgun message board, and the general consensus is you have to use a pellet weighing more than 10 grams or you risk going supersonic with a .177 springer.

This was in addition to getting at least 500 rounds down the tube before attempting to removing excess lube.

If it's still too loud you may have to consider a different airgun (non-spring operated).
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I was just reading an airgun message board, and the general consensus is you have to use a pellet weighing more than 10 grams or you risk going supersonic with a .177 springer.

This was in addition to getting at least 500 rounds down the tube before attempting to removing excess lube.

If it's still too loud you may have to consider a different airgun (non-spring operated).
That's simply not true. Again, advertising hype aside, very few spring guns, if any, will attain velocities of over 1125 fps using good pellets. It doesn't happen. I don't know where you're getting your information but it's wrong.

I've had many spring guns in my life and even when chronographed with relatively light pellets my guns were nowhere near the 1100 fps threshold. You can get those velocities with PCP airguns, but not your basic spring piston guns. And certainly not a bone stock Model 34.

A properly lubed spring gun will be reasonably quiet. As I've said before, shoot a few tins though it, I can just about guarantee that it will quiet down significantly.
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That's simply not true. Again, advertising hype aside, very few spring guns, if any, will attain velocities of over 1125 fps using good pellets. It doesn't happen. I don't know where you're getting your information but it's wrong.

I've had many spring guns in my life and even when chronographed with relatively light pellets my guns were nowhere near the 1100 fps threshold. You can get those velocities with PCP airguns, but not your basic spring piston guns. And certainly not a bone stock Model 34.

A properly lubed spring gun will be reasonably quiet. As I've said before, shoot a few tins though it, I can just about guarantee that it will quiet down significantly.
A very simple google search proves you wrong. Chrony tests are widely available. They pretty much all show supersonic velocities with very light pellets. There's very good scientific analysis of .177 pellets going supersonic at sea level vs altitude at varying humidity levels.

I personally chrony'd my Gamo .177 springer with 7.9 grain Crosman Premier Hollow Points and I was consistently getting velocities around 1160 fps.
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