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Old 12-06-2012, 7:58 AM
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Default My 2 year old's first M249 SAW

its my latest .22LR conversion using a Marlin 60. was taking pics of my build and my 2 year old wanted to hang out with me. he has other 30 centerfire .22LR replicas to play with when he turns 6


_MG_4552 by defconskylude, on Flickr

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Old 12-06-2012, 8:04 AM
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thats sick!!!

i cant wait to take 16month boy when turns old enough.

i got him a 10/22 already all done up!!
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Are those rounds that are linked together dummy's? Is it live ammunition? Are you out of California?Might run into the more than 10 rounds law. Someone correct me if wrong.

Cute pic tho!
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Are those rounds that are linked together dummy's? Is it live ammunition? Are you out of California?Might run into the more than 10 rounds law. Someone correct me if wrong.

Cute pic tho!
dummy links to complete the look

no live ammunition.
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At least I am not the only one. Here is my 2 year old with a build I am doing for him (when he is old enough to shoot).

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Dang, lol. I'm jelly I don't have a son yet.
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At least I am not the only one. Here is my 2 year old with a build I am doing for him (when he is old enough to shoot).

hahaha nice.
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That is sooo cool!
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Good for you dude, teach them young!!
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dummy links to complete the look

no live ammunition.
Just be aware that if you didn't own those links pre-2000, I don't think the law differentiates between dummy rounds or not. Those are ammunition feeding devices assembled to feed more than 10 rounds. Better to be safe than sorry.

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Didn't get mine started quite that early, but his 9th birthday present was teaching him to shoot.

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Just be aware that if you didn't own those links pre-2000, I don't think the law differentiates between dummy rounds or not. Those are ammunition feeding devices assembled to feed more than 10 rounds. Better to be safe than sorry.

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My dummy rounds are inert with nothing inside.

i got this response from a "dummy link" thread.

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To the original poster, you have a belt of dummy rounds not a high capacity device as it contains no ammunition. If you removed the dummy rounds and reassembled it with live ammo you would be manufacturing a high capacity belt which would be illegal

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Those are completely awesome! Thanks for sharing!

OP, I kinda wish I didn't click on your thread. Now I really would like to build up a .22LR. Approximately how much are we talking (ball park) on building the M249 SAW replica?
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Those are completely awesome! Thanks for sharing!

OP, I kinda wish I didn't click on your thread. Now I really would like to build up a .22LR. Approximately how much are we talking (ball park) on building the M249 SAW replica?
Hahaha nice. I paid $120 for a broken M249 SAW plus another $70 for the marlin 60

$190 plus dros/tax total
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My dummy rounds are inert with nothing inside.

i got this response from a "dummy link" thread.

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Just because you loaded the belt with dummy rounds doesn't mean it still isn't considered a hi-cap belt/magazine. I can load a 30 rounder with dummy rounds all I want, that doesn't change the fact that it is a high capacity magazine that can hold live ammunition.
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Oh the noes, high capacity dummy rounds!!!! lol, Californians.

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Just because you loaded the belt with dummy rounds doesn't mean it still isn't considered a hi-cap belt/magazine. I can load a 30 rounder with dummy rounds all I want, that doesn't change the fact that it is a high capacity magazine that can hold live ammunition.
care to prove that? I was under the impression there was only a "rule" and not a law.... and the "rule" was, " linked AMMUNITION over 10 rds was a LCM" Dummy rounds are not ammunition.

Once again the PA clause rears its ugly head with links too... can you PA a link to not link past 10? No.
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Oh the noes, high capacity dummy rounds!!!! lol, Californians.

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What about all those punk rockers walking around hollywood with linked dummy ammo belts?
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I'm on the fence about letting my two year old touch my weapons(although he does already have a milled 80% waiting for him)...I don't want him handling firearms until he can appreciate the damage they can do. For now he has an old cut down Mosin stock(completely gutted) that stays in his room. Otherwise he's not allowed to touch.


I am dying to get him hands on...I just feel it is asking for trouble at this point.
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I'm on the fence about letting my two year old touch my weapons(although he does already have a milled 80% waiting for him)...I don't want him handling firearms until he can appreciate the damage they can do. For now he has an old cut down Mosin stock(completely gutted) that stays in his room. Otherwise he's not allowed to touch.


I am dying to get him hands on...I just feel it is asking for trouble at this point.
Teach them young and they will be ok. My father gave me my first rifle at the age 3!
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That's awesome! I got my son a Marlin 795 when he was 5. Bought him a Ruger SR22 for christmas this year. He's 7 now.
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Just because you loaded the belt with dummy rounds doesn't mean it still isn't considered a hi-cap belt/magazine. I can load a 30 rounder with dummy rounds all I want, that doesn't change the fact that it is a high capacity magazine that can hold live ammunition.
Why would you load them with dummy rounds when you can legally load 30 rounders with 30 live rounds?
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Teach them young and they will be ok. My father gave me my first rifle at the age 3!
My boy turned two yesterday I might start introducing him as he gets closer to three, thank you for the advice.

I'm just worried he will somehow get his hands on a gun and know how to operate it without understanding the concepts of death and serious injury.



Do you remember how your dad went about it?
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im not sure if i should take my pics down now?
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Cause of the belts?

I don't think so.


BTW, how have you gone about teaching your son about safety at such a young age?

I didn't get behind a firearm until I was probably 10 or so, so this is new territory for me.



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Cause of the belts?

I don't think so.


BTW, how have you gone about teaching your son about safety at such a young age?

I didn't get behind a firearm until I was probably 10 or so, so this is new territory for me.



Thanks!
yea im worried about the whole belt thing now.

i havent taught him safety yet. he wanted to hang out with me while i was taking pics and figured it would be cool to get some pics of him with the SAW.

i plan on teaching him around 5-6.
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had a chat with mike at EBR works about the dummy links.

unfortunately i have to take down the pics
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care to prove that? I was under the impression there was only a "rule" and not a law.... and the "rule" was, " linked AMMUNITION over 10 rds was a LCM" Dummy rounds are not ammunition.

Once again the PA clause rears its ugly head with links too... can you PA a link to not link past 10? No.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=124709

12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:

(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.
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(c) (25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds
, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
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So following the dummy rounds linked together constitutes an ammunition feeding device then if you got wood dowel rods and used them with the links are you still making an amunition feeding device? What if you shape the wood into a dummy round?

I think since the "rounds" were made to be non-functional they aren't considered a feeding device.

The dummy rounds and links being used as a fashion accessory is an excellent example.

On the other hand I wouldn't suggest one link 10 live rounds, a dummy round, then more live rounds. I could certainly see someone being charged and going to court to settle that one.
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12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:

(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.
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(c) (25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds
, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.
Yes I know the law. Now please show me where in that law...or any other law where a fake belt with fake ammo is a LCM.

So my daughters fake magpul 30rd magazine that holds a battery pack is a LCM... really? Just because it uses a real magpul body... really?
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...and you do realize its impossible to meet (c) (25) with links...even when NOT linked together. Its impossible to PA links. So by your determination any person owning 11 links has a LCM...even if not linked. They are not parts, they are the magazine even when not holding ammo... by your logic.

In any case a DA would need to prove one of these...
manufactures or causes to be
manufactured,
imports into the state,
keeps for sale,
or offers
or
exposes for sale,
or who gives, or lends,

These pics do not prove any of that without the OP confessing to a crime AFTER he has been read his Miranda rights. Just by not saying a word when asked the charges can not be filed.

If after 3 years of the listed crimes no charges have been filed, they can never be filed.

Importation needs to be charged in the Border Jurisdiction where the crime took place.... Ventura has no border so a charge would need a shipping evidense of some kind...unless the importation occurred via boat...
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12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following
is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year
or in the state prison:

(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be
manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or
exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity
magazine.
...
(c) (25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any
ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10
rounds
, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
(A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action
firearm.
Yeah, go ahead and try taking 100 linked dummy rounds and use them in a rifle. The only way that is a "high capacity" feeding device is if you took it apart and rebuilt it using live ammunition.

I suppose those belt fed nerf guns are illegal too huh?

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