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Old 12-07-2012, 8:56 AM
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Default Powder for both .45ACP and 9mm

I've been using Bullseye for all my reloads lately and it has been working great. I have noticed however that it is extremely dirty

Anyone have another recommendation for powder I can use for both .45ACP and 9mm? I would like to be able to use the same powder for both like I have been.

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I use Hodgdon Tightgroup.
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It'll be hard to find a better powder than WST. It burns cleaner, cooler, and it's just as accurate as BE. Plus, it has way more volume than BE so the chance of a double load is greatly lessened. IMO there is really no better powder for 45acp. For 9mm many powders work great but WST is one of my favorites.
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I use Hodgdon Tightgroup.
TG is also very dirty. Also low volume.
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Unique is good for both! A little dirty depending on the bullet type you use. But the residue wipes off my stainless guns easily. Using Bear Creek bullets, I shot 500 rounds of 38 thru my revolver before cleaning. The lack of leading was simply amazing!
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What are you loads, bullet weights, etc?
If you mean dirty in that there are unburned flakes and sooty cases, your loads are too light.
If you mean dirty as in smokey and you are using cast bullets, it may be your lube.
If you mean a light coat of soot all over everything, that's the nature of Bullseye. Even with proper loads, it will turn a stainless steel revolver into a "blued" one in 50 rounds. The soot does not get any worse and cleans up easily.
In autoloaders, the soot does not build up or cause problems in the action. Again, it cleans up easily.

Try Universal Clays (not International Clays or straight Clays) by Hodgdon. You need 10-20% more powder per load than Bullseye, but it burns completely cleanly even when slightly undercharged. Clays does the same, but it is made for low velocity/light recoiling loads and you should not try to push it too much with the powder because it will exceed max pressure ratings before you get up to medium velocities.

Unique is a little less smokey than Bullseye, but again you need 10-20% more powder for the same velocity and in 9mm, you start to get to 100% volume in the case pretty early. At low pressures, Unique also leaves unburned flakes and sooty cases.
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+1 w231 great all around powder
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What are you loads, bullet weights, etc? .45ACP is 230gr rnd nose, 9MM is 124gr rnd nose
If you mean dirty in that there are unburned flakes and sooty cases, your loads are too light. No
If you mean dirty as in smokey and you are using cast bullets, it may be your lube. I'm using berrys copper plated
If you mean a light coat of soot all over everything, that's the nature of Bullseye. Even with proper loads, it will turn a stainless steel revolver into a "blued" one in 50 rounds. The soot does not get any worse and cleans up easily. this is the case.
In autoloaders, the soot does not build up or cause problems in the action. Again, it cleans up easily.

Try Universal Clays (not International Clays or straight Clays) by Hodgdon. You need 10-20% more powder per load than Bullseye, but it burns completely cleanly even when slightly undercharged. Clays does the same, but it is made for low velocity/light recoiling loads and you should not try to push it too much with the powder because it will exceed max pressure ratings before you get up to medium velocities.

Unique is a little less smokey than Bullseye, but again you need 10-20% more powder for the same velocity and in 9mm, you start to get to 100% volume in the case pretty early. At low pressures, Unique also leaves unburned flakes and sooty cases.
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I use Unique for both 9mm and 45acp, and it is suppose to be cleaner burning powder. I am not sure about that, since I never use any other powder. But I happy with it.
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I was going to suggest Titegroup, but it is pretty dirty also.
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Power Pistol for both 6.0gr under a 115gr bullet for 9mm and 6.7gr under a 230gr bullet for 45ACP both loads shoot well and both have room to go up if you want or can go down too. Power Pistol has been a very clean burning powder! For both high pressure loads and low pressure loads.
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Unique here, also.

A buddy of mine uses Clays, and says the inside of his brass and his pistols have little residue
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I've used Bullseye, TG and Unique, all good but they are dirty.

I'm now using W231 and so far it works fine for both (and 38s) and is cleaner.
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I also use w231 for 45, and 9mm. Works great also for suppressed fire.
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Titegroup is dirty? All I do is wipe down the front end and do a detailed field strip when needed.
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I have been using Unique for decades, but I once my supply of Unique is used, I am switching to Vihtavuori N320. According to this article it is more accurate and burns cleaner. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...45-acp-pistol/
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A couple threads away from this one IM 700x. Several ppl say they use it for several handgun rounds.
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I have been using Unique for decades, but I once my supply of Unique is used, I am switching to Vihtavuori N320. According to this article it is more accurate and burns cleaner. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/...45-acp-pistol/
My all time favorite powder for target loads in 9mm, 40S&W and .45 Auto is VV-N320. It also is priced like it is the best.
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I load light and noticed that titegroup was pretty dirty, so I switched to Magnum primers and it really causes a much cleaner burn in all of my calibers ( 45, 40, 38 and 9mm ). I load no where near max though so if you are going to try magnums then start light. In 9mm and 40 cal I can tell a difference in power factor between the primers but in 38 SPC and 45 ACP I can't tell any difference what so ever besides how much cleaner the cases are with the magnum primers.
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Power Pistol for both 6.0gr under a 115gr bullet for 9mm and 6.7gr under a 230gr bullet for 45ACP both loads shoot well and both have room to go up if you want or can go down too. Power Pistol has been a very clean burning powder! For both high pressure loads and low pressure loads.
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231, end of story
Very true. As a wise long time reloader told me when I was getting started. All you will need is W231 for pistol and W 748 for rifle.
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W231 is a good powder and cleaner than Bullseye or Tightgroup. If you want a little more velocity, use Unique. Unique likes it better loaded mid to max range. It also burns a bit cleaner at those loading.
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Unique is good for both!
I don't load 9mm Luger but it is the best powder for 45 ACP, IMHO. My next Unique purcahse will be an 8-pounder...
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I am gonna stark making a lot of .45 to test out. Now that I have a FRTRP almost secured I plan to shoot more .45 to see what the fuss is about...

I have 2 bottles of bullseye and 2 of hp-38. I will try bullseye first and then hp-38 to see the difference. I will not load the hoppers, just trickle in the powder first.

I heard that HP-38 WAS best for many calibers of handgun.
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