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Old 12-05-2012, 8:05 AM
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Hello,

I know it seems like an odd question but I for the life of me can't seem to correctly shoot my glock17. I'm guessing its a grip issue or maybe something to do with when I'm pulling the trigger but I'm just very inaccurate in general with it. I have watched youtube videos on it but still no luck.

Anyways, looking to see if someone is willing to spend an hour with me at the range. I'm in the SFV so something like the Burbank firing line or Angeles would be great. I'll cover your range fee and throw in a box of 50 rds of 9mm for your time.

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Old 12-05-2012, 8:10 AM
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Do you use both eyes
Do you know which eye is your dominant eye
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Do you use both eyes
Do you know which eye is your dominant eye
I don't have a dominant eye unfortunately so it makes shooting with both eyes open hard.
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Old 12-05-2012, 8:18 AM
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Most people have a dominant eye. http://vision.about.com/od/contactle..._Dominance.htm

Depending on what Glock you have, you may be either pulling the trigger while anticipating the recoil. Where are your groupings? This can sometimes tell you what you are doing wrong.
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Print out a few of these and shoot at the middle. It will provide the diagnosis.

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Old 12-05-2012, 8:34 AM
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Glocks have a distinct sear reset in the trigger. After each shot only release your trigger finger until you feel the reset or hear the click. Then press again for your follow up shot. That should help improve the accuracy on your Glock. The trigger control alone will help increase accuracy and speed up your follow up shots. Unfortunately, I'm out near Sacramento. Also, try to find a good quality firearms instructor and pay the $100-$125 to attend a 8 hour class. It's definitely worth it in the long run
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One tip you can try with your aiming point. Next time you are on the range line up as you normally would point at the target with your gun. Now close your eyes keeping the gun pointed at the target. Next make a couple of figure eight movements with you arms extended toward the target eyes still closed. Open your eyes and see if you are still in the middle of the target.

If you are look at your stance and foot placement along with where your shoulders and hips are aligned. Make a mental note of that position and make sure to set up each time in this position.

If you are not in the middle of the target keep your arms extended and make a fine adjustment with your feet until you are in the middle of your target. Now close your eyes again, arms extended and repeat the figure of eight movements, stop, open your eyes you should be in the middle of your target. This is your natural stance and should help with being more consistent in your aiming point. If you're still having a problem then you will need to pay close attention to your trigger control along with getting a solid sight picture. Good luck!
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Ask your wife, roommate, random guy at the range to load a snap cap in your mag. A lot of inaccuracy with pistols stems from people anticipating the bang. A random snap cap will allow you to tell if you are or aren't doing that.
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My Glock 17 accuracy improved immensely after I reduced the trigger pull with a Ghost 3.5 lb trigger connector. I only installed that one part, and didn't go whole hog with any other trigger components to get the pull down any farther. And it made a WORLD of difference in my shooting. Best 12 bucks I ever spent on fleabay (I bought it from user "glockpolishing" and I think that it was $11.69 with free shipping, plus he delivered if fast).
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If you are serious, take a formal class

For $100+ time+ hotel& gas you can take a 4 day class at frontsight

You will also find a lot of formal instruction around LA
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I don't have a dominant eye unfortunately so it makes shooting with both eyes open hard.
Are you sure about that?

I'd recommend you spend a few dollars for a coach. There are generally one or two always available at most ranges and they are darned good at spotting what the issue is. Good shooters with good intentions are not always pros. I am a very good shooter with a lot of really bad habits as are most good shooters. Bad habits are picked up over many years and easily passed along to new shooters. For this reason I refused to teach my own son to shoot. Instead I took him to a pro. He too is now an exceptional shooter but instead of inheriting all of my bad habits, he will go on to develop his own!
But seriously, professional coaching is an investment, not an expense.

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Hold it sideways. It'll help your eyes line up the sights better.

Basically, everything everyone else upthread said are terrific pointers. Especially getting coached by a pro.
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Cool story bro ahead:


Years back there were about 20 people who shot with a local NRA members council

And friend and I swapped coming in 8&9th

Then one month he started coming in 2nd or 3rd

As asked him what he did as I spent years shooting and really had not improved

He giggled- he took a 2 day class and then went back for the next 4 day class

He said the 2 day was just a teaser to him and he suggested that I take the 4 day class.

My dad was an excellent marksman but he was not a coach.

I was amazed at how much I learned in the 4 day course

Practice makes permanent!!!

I am not a big fan of classes to teach you new things and to refine what you know and follow up training/ range time to truly learn the skills
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Hello,

I know it seems like an odd question but I for the life of me can't seem to correctly shoot my glock17. I'm guessing its a grip issue or maybe something to do with when I'm pulling the trigger but I'm just very inaccurate in general with it. I have watched youtube videos on it but still no luck.

Anyways, looking to see if someone is willing to spend an hour with me at the range. I'm in the SFV so something like the Burbank firing line or Angeles would be great. I'll cover your range fee and throw in a box of 50 rds of 9mm for your time.

Thanks,
J
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1) Take the Glock to any local gun shop.
2) Sell them the Glock
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5) ???
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OP, Right or Lefty? Where are you hitting?
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What is your group size? Who knows...if your groups are more accurate than mine, then it's a moot point isn't it .

What is your typical distance? If 25 yards, please teach me how to become more accurate with my G17. I will pay for your range time and throw in a box of ammo

You stated "my Glock", have you shot other handguns? Or is this your first gun?





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Look up 9mmepiphany and Bam-bam31's posts.

I've never met them but spoken via PM or posts. Their quick advice shrank my targets by a Third. I owe them a beer or coffee!
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For $100+ time+ hotel& gas you can take a 4 day class at frontsight

You will also find a lot of formal instruction around LA
This. The more education, the better.
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Look up 9mmepiphany and Bam-bam31's posts.

I've never met them but spoken via PM or posts. Their quick advice shrank my targets by a Third. I owe them a beer or coffee!
Both of them are really good shooters. I've had the chance to get instruction under 9mmepiphany many years ago and regularly get whooped at the range by bambam-31. Good call, they both provide really good advice on shooting and can definitely hold their own. Definitely search their past posts, it contains a lot of useful information.
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I will be at Angeles Shoting range this sunday morning, I would be happy to take a look and give you some pointers. I'm an NRA pistol instructor, and used to compete with Glocks so I know them pretty well.

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Maybe guns are not for you. JK. Meet up with gforcejunkie.
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Dry fire. A lot. Pick a spot on the wall, remove all ammo from the room, and shoot that spot until your fingers bleed, focus on not letting the front sight move. For added accuracy put a small coin on top of the slide while doing it, don't let it fall off. I dry fire more than I shoot live ammo at least 3 to 1.
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If Loui Awerbuck is teaching take his class. He will fix you in 10 minutes. Glock shooters tend to have a problem with the pistol shooting at 9 oclock. It's not because of too much or two little trigger. If you google him, he has a better shooting diagnostic that lists the half dozen reasons shooting a Glock will end up shooting at nine o'clock.
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Are you sure about that?

I'd recommend you spend a few dollars for a coach. There are generally one or two always available at most ranges and they are darned good at spotting what the issue is. Good shooters with good intentions are not always pros. I am a very good shooter with a lot of really bad habits as are most good shooters. Bad habits are picked up over many years and easily passed along to new shooters. For this reason I refused to teach my own son to shoot. Instead I took him to a pro. He too is now an exceptional shooter but instead of inheriting all of my bad habits, he will go on to develop his own!
But seriously, professional coaching is an investment, not an expense.

Good luck!
Well, I kinda taught myself how to shoot and thought maybe I could with the pistol. I am very accurate with my ARs and really quick on follow up shots at 100 yards. Pistols however are not as easy

And I'm sure about the dominance. I do the test and the circle(thumb to finger) moves left and right when I close the different eyes. Same thing with the pointing test.

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Follow these steps in order to improve your accuracy:

1) Take the Glock to any local gun shop.
2) Sell them the Glock
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OP, Right or Lefty? Where are you hitting?
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What is your group size? Who knows...if your groups are more accurate than mine, then it's a moot point isn't it .

What is your typical distance? If 25 yards, please teach me how to become more accurate with my G17. I will pay for your range time and throw in a box of ammo

You stated "my Glock", have you shot other handguns? Or is this your first gun?



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Haven't shot any other handguns. This is my first. I have only shot at The firing line with it so I believe it is 15 yards. Can't remember my group size but it was all over the place.

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I'll PM you but I'm unfortunately out of town.
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Start with the fundamentals of stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control. Any competitive shooter can show you this. The chart posted is for Bulleyes right handed shooting only, so it does not apply.

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Haven't shot any other handguns. This is my first. I have only shot at The firing line with it so I believe it is 15 yards. Can't remember my group size but it was all over the place.
Try bringing the target in closer to the 7 yard line, and work your way out farther. Goal for 7 yards is ultimately one ragged hole, then move it out to 10, then 12, then 15 yards and progressively farther to 25 yards (at On Target in Laguna or OC Sheriff's Range in Orange). Also, if you haven't double up at indoor ranges, aside from the recoil, sound also is a contributing factor in anticipation of the recoil. I'd take up the advice of G-forcejunkie to see if you can meet him at Angeles. Shooting outdoors is normally easier as it provides better lighting and it isn't nearly as loud as shooting indoors. Good luck and keep at it. It'll all come together with time.
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I used to hate Glocks because I grew up shooting Sigs and really got into 1911's. I tried Glocks a few times and couldn't shoot nearly with them as my high dollar 1911's. However, I bought one after I acquired my CCW and decided to give them a chance.

They are accurate, reliable, and a good overall gun. I shot 500 rounds a week for almost 3 years back in college and I self taught mostly. However, over the last few years I've been taking classes from guys who are better than me and I'm learning new techniques and skills. Definitely take a class or two from qualified instructors. I usually like taking classes from guys like Gray Ops who are active or retired SWAT operators who have had to use their skill set in real life situations.

Last class I set up with a bunch of novice and new shooters. By the end of the class almost all were able to shoot single hole groups at 7 yards. I would have to say that the most reliable guns were the Glocks and HK's. Sig's, Rugers, Kimbers, all had jams or other malfunctions throughout the 8 hour day with about 300 rounds through our guns.
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I would have to say that the most reliable guns were the Glocks and HK's. Sig's, Rugers, Kimbers, all had jams or other malfunctions throughout the 8 hour day with about 300 rounds through our guns.
Wow! I guess I'm just extremely lucky that my Ruger and Sig haven't been chronic jammers.
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In 40 years of shooting, the only pistol I've never seen malfunction has been a H&K P7

OP - As has been said, ignore that shooting correction chart...it isn't completely irrelevant, but pretty much.

There is so much we don't know about your shooting style, that I don't even know where to begin.

While grip isn't paramount to accurate shooting (it is more about followup shots), it really helps if it is correct to form a basis to improve your trigger control.. Trigger control is the most important factor in accurate shooting...and the Glock trigger is a bit different than most.

The trick to managing a Glock trigger is to prep it hard and accept the rolling sear break...staging the trigger or snapping through it are both losing prepositions
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Sell it and buy a gun that you don't have to force yourself to shoot. Too many options to force yourself to shoot one particular firearm.
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Guys, the title is somewhat misleading. The OP bought his first handgun, a Glock. He doesnt need Glock specific training, he need ground up basic pistol training. OP: Not realizing this is your first handgun, you really need to look into some basic handgun instruction. A few pointers at the range is not going to be enough. I would look into locak NRA Basic Pistol course for starters. learn the basics and fundimentals. You need these so you know what to practice, and to ensure you are practicing correctly. Just "figuring it out" at the range without basic instruction is a waste of time. Your just going to get good and doing it bad. Then you will have to take the time, money, and effort of get trained properly and brake the bad habits.
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99.9% of problems with accurate Glock shooting is inadequate trigger press/trigger control. Glock triggers (like XDs, M&Ps, etc.) are a different beast, and it takes a lot of practice to develop a good, consistent trigger press.

If you have never dry fired a gun, do this at home:
- Put a piece of tape on the wall
- Unload the gun and put your ammo in the other room
- Verify the gun is still unloaded
- Practice aiming at the tape and smoothly pulling trigger
- Make sure that your sights do not move AT ALL when the trigger breaks
- Repeat 500-1000 times

Dry firing provides amazing results. If you a newer shooter, or shooting a Glock-type trigger action for the first time, dry firing provides faster results than shooting a case of ammo at the range.
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PM me if someone hasn't already fixed your problem---I live about 10 minutes from the Firing Line---handguns are somewhat harder to shoot than rifles---its best to start off with proper technique rather than having to unlearn bad habits.
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Seriously, though, Jeremy, since will soon be neighbors, I don't mind taking you to the range (hopefully when people are better than I are there). I learned from BamBam-31 (at ASR) as mentioned by some in the post above--he's a legendary shot, and it happens that he likes the G17 quite a bit.

For me, handguns have been really hard to learn compared to rifles b/c I have short shakey arms and poor eyesight--rifles are much easier especially when the scope takes the presbyopia out of the equation and does most of the work for you.

Master the trigger, and you are 80% there. Like some said, dry fire, focusing on your front site. Slowly increase the tension on the trigger until it goes. When the hammer comes down, your sites should not have moved since that is what you want in live shooting. "Flinching", is the natural reaction for most shooters. If you are shooting right, and the shots are down and to the left, it's a flinch issue. When I bogey, this is almost always the cause--anticipating recoil.

Don't be discouraged because for many, you easily need to put 25,000 pieces of lead down range before you can be competent. This is why I highly recommend buying a .22lr, since you can get a lot of trigger time in for cheap.
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With good instruction, if you don't have too many bad habit already established, you should eb able to get onto half a 3"x5" card inside of 20 rounds...50 if you are stubborn
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