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Old 12-05-2012, 8:34 AM
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Arrow Muzzle Brakes / Compensators - worth it?

Are muzzle brakes / compensator worth upgrading on an AR15?

Do the $150 Battle Comps do something that the $25 Yankee Hills don't?
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Old 12-05-2012, 8:51 AM
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Are muzzle brakes / compensator worth upgrading on an AR15?

Do the $150 Battle Comps do something that the $25 Yankee Hills don't?
I have a battlecomp. I couldn't care too much for it. I have a Surefire MB556K on another gun. Love everything about it.

And to your question, probably not. It's preference.
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Old 12-05-2012, 8:52 AM
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I got a $25.00 YHM muzzle brake and to my surprise, it works just as good as those $150 muzzle brakes!

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Old 12-05-2012, 8:53 AM
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are they better than the cheap knock offs?

HELL YES THEY ARE!

as for which to get... depends on what you want - if you don't care about muzzle flash, get the MB556k from Surefire - there is no better break out there.
if you require flash suppression and shoot with friends - get the BC
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:00 AM
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I don't get the shoot with friends thing, is it due to loudness ? Just curious.
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:03 AM
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Stand to the side of a SureFire or SJC Titan muzzle brake and you should have your question answered
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:09 AM
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I have, many times. I haven't worried about it with my Surefire brakes, didn't think it was an issue.
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:11 AM
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What is your intended purpose?

If you're shooting from a bench, a compensator isn't going to help. If you're shooting offhand and need quicker followups, then a comp will help.

Comps redirect the blast sideways. It isn't so much about noise as it is about the impulse. It's annoying if you're running a carbine class doing buddy drills and the nub next to you has a comp on their gun.

The more effective the comp, the more annoying it is. A JP or Surefire brake is going to be super annoying and loud, but offer very good muzzle control. A battlecomp is much less annoying, but doesn't brake as much.

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Old 12-05-2012, 9:16 AM
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I also have a DPMS Miculek muzzle break, I was amaze on how it performs, it's not as nice looking as the more expensive ones but for $37.00 it is one of my best muzzle breaks, shooting it offhand is a blast!
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What is your intended purpose?

If you're shooting from a bench, a compensator isn't going to help. If you're shooting offhand and need quicker followups, then a comp will help.

Comps redirect the blast sideways. It isn't so much about noise as it is about the impulse. It's annoying if you're running a carbine class doing buddy drills and the nub next to you has a comp on their gun.

The more effective the comp, the more annoying it is. A JP or Surefire brake is going to be super annoying and loud, but offer very good muzzle control. A battlecomp is much less annoying, but doesn't brake as much.

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Thanks for putting into terms most will understand. I have done classes and Springfield Scouts and SOCOMs are next to me. I just made sure I had plenty of ear protection.
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:18 AM
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I wasn't too sure of the differences between a muzzle break, compensator and flash hider - so I searched online and found this. Is this an accurate description?

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Breaks, comps, and flash hiders are all muzzle devices that trade off between noise/blast, flash signature, and muzzle climb reduction.

Breaks such as the SureFire break will virtually eliminate muzzle climb to allow for very fast follow up shots, but are unacceptably loud, and have a large blast. In CQB with a surefire break, you risk making friendlies deaf. In positions such as urban prone, you will kick up enough dust to blind yourself.

FlashHiders such as the Vortex or even the A2 Birdcage are meant to eliminate the flash signature, and keep a tolerable sound/blast wave. They will provide mild muzzle climb reduction when compared to a naked muzzle crown.

Comps such as the FSC556 or BattleComp are meant to be a compromise between flash-hiders and breaks, giving you the best of both worlds. The BattleComp does this especially well- the same flash signature and blast of a A2 birdcage, but the muzzle climb reduction superior to a FSC556 (slightly less than a surefire).
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:35 AM
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If you want to have a featureless build, then yes.
If you're recoil sensitive and don't mind the loud sound, then yes.
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Old 12-05-2012, 9:57 AM
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Wow, ok folks.....

A "break" is like broke. In a sentence.... I broke my arm. I don't want to break my arm.

A "brake" is the motion of stopping something. sentence..... My car has brakes. My rifle has a muzzle brake installed.



On topic.... I tried a YHM phantom muzzle brake 5M1 and I didn't like it. The percussion really got annoying. Not only was it really loud, but I could feel the percussion of the sound wave. It helped as far as what it is designed for, but not nearly worth the trade off compared to a hider.

I haven't tried a bunch of different hiders or brakes, but I have become favorable of the YHM phantom 5C2 hider. They advertise that it has somewhat of a muzzle rise compensator effect as compared to the original 5C1. Owning both the 5C1 and 2, I'd have to agree. I've never tried any of the Battle comps, because I think they are grossly over priced. I don't care how good they might be, too much money for a couple ounces of metal.
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Do the $150 Battle Comps do something that the $25 Yankee Hills don't?
Short answer is No! The Stag Brake works better at reducing felt recoil than the BC and, dare I say, even slightly better than the SF MB556, IME.
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I have a yhm 5m1 and a battle comp. They are both loud and help with muzzle flip. The battle comp does put off a little less flash. I also like the looks of the battle comps. But is it really worth $120 bucks more? I don't think so.
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Wow, ok folks.....

A "break" is like broke. In a sentence.... I broke my arm. I don't want to break my arm.

A "brake" is the motion of stopping something. sentence..... My car has brakes. My rifle has a muzzle brake installed.

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Anyone use the Spikes Tactical Dynacomp?
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Anyone use the Spikes Tactical Dynacomp?
I'm wondering this myself... looking to get one for the AK. I like the cylinder design because it's a clean look.
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Wow, ok folks.....

A "break" is like broke. In a sentence.... I broke my arm. I don't want to break my arm.

A "brake" is the motion of stopping something. sentence..... My car has brakes. My rifle has a muzzle brake installed.




ETA: but on the actual topic, one of my AR uppers has an SEI good iron brake installed, and it does a great job of dampening muzzle rise. it think it's a good buy at $85.

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I love my battlecomp. Would I buy another at $150. No.
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I love my battlecomp. Would I buy another at $150. No.
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With almost no recoil, and being limited to semi-automatic...nothing is really needed on a 5.56 AR .

But since most of my uppers go on featureless builds, I have removed a LOT of flash hiders...and tried just about every brake/compensator out there.

After trying these...

http://kiesfirearms.com/Parts_and_Accessories.html ( Scroll down to see )




I set most of the other brakes/comp's in the drawer, they REALLY work well to redirect the muzzle blast forward...and make shooting much more comfortable when sending lots of rounds downrange.
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With almost no recoil, and being limited to semi-automatic...nothing is really needed on a 5.56 AR .

But since most of my uppers go on featureless builds, I have removed a LOT of flash hiders...and tried just about every brake/compensator out there.

After trying these...

http://kiesfirearms.com/Parts_and_Accessories.html ( Scroll down to see )




I set most of the other brakes/comp's in the drawer, they REALLY work well to redirect the muzzle blast forward...and make shooting much more comfortable when sending lots of rounds downrange.
That looks just like the Troy Claymore brake. I have the Claymore on my varmint upper and I do like, mainly because it's not loud. I have no idea how much braking it actually does though.
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Are muzzle brakes / compensator worth upgrading on an AR15?

Do the $150 Battle Comps do something that the $25 Yankee Hills don't?
ES13Raven,

Yes compensator do work but I admit wether one works better over the other because of price I can't say. On your AR I'd just stay with the typical GI version....That's good enough in my book.

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ETA: but on the actual topic, one of my AR uppers has an SEI good iron brake installed, and it does a great job of dampening muzzle rise. it think it's a good buy at $85.
I have one of those on my 7.62x51 CQB-16 type SEI... it's great!

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Here is a list of comp/BREAK(lol) I've tried:

Battle Comp
Spikes DynaComp
Stag Arms Comp
JP Comp
DPMS miculek

They all work at what their designed to do. The only difference that I notice was the pulse given out by them. Some a little more then others but for what we use them for, such as range and I would say 99.9% with ear muffs and/or plugs none of it matters. If your taking a carbine class and the guy next to you cant take the pulse from the brake then I say that person wasnt meant for that type of class anyways. If he/she cant take a precussion blast what makes them be able to take a bullet? Now if your going to use it for your line of duty where ear muffs are not used then yes they do make a difference.
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I use the Yankee hill phantom 5C2 flash hider it works really well.
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I recently put a Dynacomp and hand-stop on an AK pistol to see what kind of control it would give me. Rapid fire produced a single hole at 25', which I was pretty impressed with!
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If he/she cant take a precussion blast what makes them be able to take a bullet?
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I noticed a big difference when I removed the A2 and replaced it with a Griffen Armament M4-SD comp. It's got a similar design to the battlecomp but its almost half the price. Works extremely well in the L.E. application side of things.
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I thought the idea was NOT to get shot.....
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I was refering to if the guy next to you cant take a muzzle blast because they feel uncomfortable with air blowing in their face then their not in the right line of work. Kind of like not willing to get your weapon bang up a little but want to learn combat fighting with it. Like the bad guy is going to be nice to you.
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A well designed brake really does make a difference with follow up shots, sight picture, recoil reduction,etc.

Here are some videos of some of my rifles with brakes on them. Watch the recoil impulse. See how the rifles hardly move at all. The brake is doing its job.

As for the noise...like others have stated...if it's too load for you....give up guns and take up golf or ping pong.





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21st Century Gunfighter has a good video series covering various brakes.

www.youtu.be/ZtVB4IubWyc

http://youtu.be/33Z9R3-Jq2I

http://youtu.be/AZglBmxn_is

http://youtu.be/YFUEjbiaPPM

http://youtu.be/1_erIl7PqnE

hmmm embeding youtube videos is not working for me.

Gear Selector has a good article talking about various muzzle devices, including brakes.

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gears...e-devices-101/
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