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Old 12-05-2012, 7:44 PM
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I'm surprised, but not shocked that the state legislature has been in session for two days, proposed a plethora of bills in both houses, but not one gun related yet. Turns out that changing the state constitution is more pressing...who would have guessed....than addressing all the crime caused by reckless possession of firearms by citizens.
But don't even breathe a tiny sigh of relief. These miscreants want to call a constitutional convention, and in the meantime, are proposing many changes to the state constitution piecemeal. By hook, or by crook, (The latter is most prevalent in politics), they plan to make it very easy to levy and pass taxes, and very hard to get a ballot measure in circulation..excepting their ballot measures of course. There's also a bill to allow internet voting, and the acceptance of ballots after the polls close.
A constitutional convention is the scary one for me. Many of these people in the state house now are fresh faces to state politics, and that leaves them incredibly vulnerable to a handful of experienced and manipulative old timers.

Don't mind telling you though. What I've seen so far is plenty scary. There already willing to test their supermajority powers by re-introducing a bill that the governor already vetoed only a few months ago, to see if they have tho power to override him this time. Two days out the gate and let's see who's boss.
The only reason our guns haven't come up is because they are like kids with a new car. They're out speeding through the capitol like 17 year olds with a new license and rental car. I gaurantee you it will be speeding through your neighborhood soon

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I'm surprised, but not shocked that the state legislature has been in session for two days, proposed a plethora of bills in both houses, but not one gun related yet. Turns out that changing the state constitution is more pressing...who would have guessed....than addressing all the crime caused by reckless possession of firearms by citizens.
But don't even breath a tiny sigh of relief. these miscreants want to call a constitutional convention, and in the meantime, are proposing many changes to the state constitution piecemeal. By hook, or by crook, (The latter is most prevalent in politics), they plan to make it very easy to levy and pass taxes, and very hard to get a ballot measure in circulation..excepting their ballot measures of course. There's also a bill to allow internet voting, and the acceptance of ballots after the polls close.
A constitutional convention is the scary one for me. Many of these people in the state house now are fresh faces to state politics, and that leaves them incredibly vulnerable to a handfull of experienced and manipulative old timers.

Don't mind telling you though. What I've seen so far is plenty scary. There already willing to test their supermajority powers by re-introducing a bill that the governor already vetoed only a few months ago, to see if they have tho power to override him this time. Two days out the gate and let's see who's boss.
The only reason our guns haven't come up is because they are like kids with a new car. They're out speeding through the capitol like 17 year olds with a new license and rental car. I gaurantee you it will be speeding through your neighborhood soon
I'll either be out of this state or I'll have military or LEO exempt status in the next two years or so, not to cut and run or anything... Can't take this crap anymore, we have almost no chance of fighting back at this point...
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I'll either be out of this state or I'll have military or LEO exempt status in the next two years or so, not to cut and run or anything... Can't take this crap anymore, we have almost no chance of fighting back at this point...
there's little chance at winning if you don't stay and fight. That's been the problem here really. Too many people wanting rights, are going somewhere else to have them. That may have worked in 1600's, but the planet is awash in people now, and there's not many new worlds out there.
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there's little chance at winning if you don't stay and fight. That's been the problem here really. Too many people wanting rights, are going somewhere else to have them. That may have worked in 1600's, but the planet is awash in people now, and there's not many new worlds out there.
I understand and respect your point of view, but I also have a life I wish to lead, a life that's not restricted and lined with red tape. I shouldn't have to know somebody famous or be a big donor to a political campaign in order to lawfully exercise my rights. In almost all the other states, all you have to do is go up to the Sheriff and request a CCW, that's all...
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there's little chance at winning if you don't stay and fight. That's been the problem here really. Too many people wanting rights, are going somewhere else to have them. That may have worked in 1600's, but the planet is awash in people now, and there's not many new worlds out there.
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They have too many tax hikes to put into place first.
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Aren't a few Democrats leaving the Legislature in April? Their supermajority might not last long...
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I understand and respect your point of view, but I also have a life I wish to lead, a life that's not restricted and lined with red tape. I shouldn't have to know somebody famous or be a big donor to a political campaign in order to lawfully exercise my rights. In almost all the other states, all you have to do is go up to the Sheriff and request a CCW, that's all...
well, one could argue that a CCW isn't a real right, but that's been done here before I assume. But aside from that, I don't know that letting California politicians have their way here is a wise strategy for keeping the rights you hope to live with in other states. The way they are rolling out the red carpet to "immigrants", I'd deduce a much longer strategy of theirs is to increase their power in congress from the california platform. I think it's already a problem, but it might be far worse pretty soon. Remember that they count heads in this state to determine representation. those heads do not have to be here lawfully. More congressional seats leaning left are going to have an effect,
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Aren't a few Democrats leaving the Legislature in April? Their supermajority might not last long...
There are, but they have more than enough, even with those leaving. And who knows what replaces them. It's likely to be more of the same. Why would we assume those districts would vote republican or brand x? And more to the point; why would we assume those areas host pro gun voters?
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Aren't a few Democrats leaving the Legislature in April? Their supermajority might not last long...
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Too many people wanting rights, are going somewhere else to have them. That may have worked in 1600's, but the planet is awash in people now, and there's not many new worlds out there.
Im planning to move my business to San Antonio next year after my building lease is over. Our family business was started 30 years ago here and it is sadly time to go where I am wanted. It goes well beyond gun rights but it's one of the reasons for exiting this (literally) god-forsaken state.

I dont have to move all but ~100 miles east and I have access to any available gun right in the country. Comparing the vote-with-your-feet tactic to the settlers leaving England for America is just slightly obtuse (no offense). I can easily move and have more rights without changing my citizenship and that is just what I plan to do.

The weather in Sacramento isn't good enough to keep me here like it could in SoCal and nothing else other than a loyal customer base is keeping me so why not move? This state is eroding at an exponential rate and I note that there is a even a large contingent of CalGunners that have politics beyond guns that literally make me unsettled in their inherent liberalism. I can't stay where liberal politics and ideals are the norm and where even friends may only be them on certain subjects.

So sorry, I;m jumping ship and getting the hell out of well.. Hell.

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I dont have to move all but ~100 miles east and I have access to any available gun right in the country. Comparing the vote-with-your-feet tactic to the settlers leaving England for America is just slightly obtuse (no offense). I can easily move and have more rights without changing my citizenship and that is just what I plan to do.
Ha! no offense taken. But comparing running to voting is a bit of a perversion of ideals.

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The weather in Sacramento isn't good enough to keep me here like it could in SoCal and nothing else other than a loyal customer base is keeping me so why not move? This state is eroding at an exponential rate and I note that there is a even a large contingent of CalGunners that have politics beyond guns that literally make me unsettled in their inherent liberalism. I can't stay where liberal politics and ideals are the norm and where even friends may only be them on certain subjects.

So sorry, I;m jumping ship and getting the hell out of well.. Hell.
well, I think you may be giving...other states was it?...a bit more credit than they deserve for inherent conservatism too, but maybe you weren't or aren't as much a Californian as you are an American, and it won't be like living in exile for you. I don't have a clue as to what kind of business you ran, but moving mine even a few mile nearly killed it.
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Ha! no offense taken. But comparing running to voting is a bit of a perversion of ideals.
Sadly, my vote doesn't count anymore here. In 15 years as a legal voter, my voice has meant fuggall to the state. The only thing they want from me are my tax dollars since I'm not supporting the ones that ultimately get voted in. When I am directly funding a bureaucracy that ultimately wants my demise, well it's time to move on. I don't want to cut and run but as a 32 yr old, conservative, business owner, I don't see a viable long term business survival strategy here. We live in one of the bottom 3 worst states for just about everything other than Unattainable and Beautiful Movie Stars and The Best Weather in the Lower 48. Economic and Personal Freedom are near last and the ideals for more of those restrictions are a cancer spreading pervasively through just about every community in our area.

Theres that saying Put up or Shut Up. I've put up with enough here and I'm sick of it.

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well, I think you may be giving...other states was it?...a bit more credit than they deserve for inherent conservatism too, but maybe you weren't or aren't as much a Californian as you are an American, and it won't be like living in exile for you. I don't have a clue as to what kind of business you ran, but moving mine even a few mile nearly killed it.
I run a specialist automotive repair shop (electrical repair specifically and not stereo and alarm installation). Yes I have weighed the pro's and con's of moving and the way I see it, I'm young enough and unattached enough to risk the move. My business was started by my Dad in '82 and I took over in '09 when the economy tumbled in. I saved it, sustained it and have tried to grow it but this state has roadblocked that in many ways even beyond my own industry regulations.

More or less if people are out of work or stretched thin then I am as well. Catering to more affluent clientele save us from closing our doors but even that isn't enough to thrive anymore. The money is in Texas and that is where I plan to chase it. More or less, I don't want to have to grind out an existence for the next 30+ years, I want to have the real opportunity to thrive and grow, something that may be harder there sooner or later but is near impossible for me here.

I dont quite follow you regarding the exile bit so exuse me (maybe I'm slightly obtuse on the issue). I am a life long Californian though and had my heavy liberal leanings throughout college but figured out the error of my ways once I decided to be a small business owner.

Please expand on what you meant about that though, I think I may have either missed the sarcasm or a gem or two of insight I didn't quite grab hold of.
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Now that this thread documented that we've gone an entire 2 days with no new gun bills, I'm sure some enterprising legislator will notice the thread and take corrective action...
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I dont quite follow you regarding the exile bit so exuse me (maybe I'm slightly obtuse on the issue). I am a life long Californian though and had my heavy liberal leanings throughout college but figured out the error of my ways once I decided to be a small business owner.

Please expand on what you meant about that though, I think I may have either missed the sarcasm or a gem or two of insight I didn't quite grab hold of.
Ah...30 years in one state is pretty long, but it may not have caused permanent roots. California has many exclusive attributes that might be a bit hard to replace elsewhere. You may find yourself quite homesick soon. I don't know; I can't see from your side of things, but I really can't move, and if I did I think it would affect the remainder of my life a bit more dramatically than I could live with for too long. Plus, the way things are going, I think you may just find yourself in California as far as people and politics go, but not as geography and weather go. Once this beast totally infests California, it'll be spreading wings
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Now that this thread documented that we've gone an entire 2 days with no new gun bills, I'm sure some enterprising legislator will notice the thread and take corrective action...
I'm certain they get some news from here, but it is highly doubtful they use it for anything other than entertainment. Anti-Gun legislation is not borne in internet forums. It's more like a sickness that you get from a feeble mind trying to force greatness on itself...and others
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Ah...30 years in one state is pretty long, but it may not have caused permanent roots. California has many exclusive attributes that might be a bit hard to replace elsewhere. You may find yourself quite homesick soon. I don't know; I can't see from your side of things, but I really can't move, and if I did I think it would affect the remainder of my life a bit more dramatically than I could live with for too long. Plus, the way things are going, I think you may just find yourself in California as far as people and politics go, but not as geography and weather go. Once this beast totally infests California, it'll be spreading wings
Ok I see what you're saying. Yes, Sacramento is an anchor city. I have more than a few friends that have left for greener pastures only to return because it isn't bad enough day-to-day to keep you from coming back. My close family is relegated to my parents, brother, sister in law as well as my niece and nephew and they all live here. Truthfully, it is one of the only reasons to stay but not enough to keep me from leaving.

I do see your point on Cali's politics spreading, Austin seems to have more people from the Bay than from Texas. Everyone here knows that we set the trends for the country and that is the disconcerting part of the whole deal and what I think you meant about leaving for different countries.

I don't have the stomach nor the means to be the new revolutionaries that fight it out here in an attempt to save the rest of the country from what is our present fate. No matter the time, I will have so many freedoms I've never personally experienced, that I am willing to leave just to enjoy them for what may be a short time. I'd rather support the cause at the federal level than fight what is an exhausting and seemingly futile war against a state that prefers to cherry pick from the Bill of Rights.

I say, Fight the Good Fight as long as you can until you cannot.
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They aren't done picking up the union checks to pay for their campaigns yet...
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Move to Clovis!
Its like Texas in CA!

More gun shops than you can count and a sherriff that whole heartedly believes in your CCW rights.
Likely the most conservative gold mine in the state.
Still see flags being flown in front of houses...
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Move to Clovis!
Its like Texas in CA!

More gun shops than you can count and a sherriff that whole heartedly believes in your CCW rights.
Likely the most conservative gold mine in the state.
Still see flags being flown in front of houses...
What exactly is a "CCW right"?

I do not believe that word means what you think it means.
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This time, it will very likely pass, though with out a grandfathering clause or compensation (money they don't have), I don't think it will stand up to a legal challenge. Should also be "relatively" easy to get an injunction against it from taking effect.

I still think Brown would consider vetoing it, should it pass, though I'm not sure. Are there enough pro-gun Democrats to prevent a veto overide on gun bills?

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The legislature doesn't need to introduce a gun bill in order to have a gun bill

Has everyone already forgotten "gut and amend"??

Keep an eye on those ag bills....
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The legislature doesn't need to introduce a gun bill in order to have a gun bill

Has everyone already forgotten "gut and amend"??

Keep an eye on those ag bills....
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Some folks leaving CA, or planning to, are retired and simply want to live quietly, safely, while enjoying hobbies that are not PC in CA. Some of us will stay and fight for various reasons - family and friends, weather, ongoing medical care is here, etc. To those of you leaving, I refuse to judge you or your motives. Best of everything to you wherever you land.
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Has everyone already forgotten "gut and amend"??

Keep an eye on those ag bills....
While that remains a constant aggravation, there are also some problems associated with it. A freshman though, is often chosen to carry risky legislation. Many of them are considered expendable in safe democratic seats, and they aren't yet savvy enough to know when they are being used above and beyond what they wanted to go to the capitol for
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They have taxes to create, raise, augment, levy, etc.
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Those bills were written long before this session, as is evident from the speed at which they were first entered and read. So they have lots of time for anti-gun laws and all sorts of other meddling.
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Some folks leaving CA, or planning to, are retired and simply want to live quietly, safely, while enjoying hobbies that are not PC in CA. Some of us will stay and fight for various reasons - family and friends, weather, ongoing medical care is here, etc. To those of you leaving, I refuse to judge you or your motives. Best of everything to you wherever you land.
If I do ever end up leaving, I really want to, I will still keep up with what's going on here and still donate to organizations when I can. I would hope most people, who feel as strongly as most on here do about gun laws, would do the same.
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Move to Clovis!
Its like Texas in CA!

More gun shops than you can count and a sherriff that whole heartedly believes in your CCW rights.
Likely the most conservative gold mine in the state.
Still see flags being flown in front of houses...
My mom was born and raised in Selma. My brother and I spent many a summer in Fowler and Selma with grandma shopping.

But, I heard that Clovis is so big, it touches Fresno now.
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The only way it will ever stop is when all of the people in this state say NO MORE and refuse to pay their tax bills. Maybe then the greedy corrupt buggers in Sacramento will get the message. You can't vote them out, as another pack of Hyena's will take over.

The entire legislature needs to be sacked en masse and an entirely new system put in place.

They day is coming, ordinary folks are getting fleeced by the state for more and more money, the municipal service costs are skyrocketing and they just keep on piling it on.

Ordinary folks just cannot afford to live here anymore, small business owners are being forced out of business due to onerous new taxes, licenses and city/state corruption.

G-d help the retirees when they "overturn" Prop 13. It'll force millions to sell their homes and go into retirement communities, because their property taxes will skyrocket.

All this and more coming soon............
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Those bills were written long before this session, as is evident from the speed at which they were first entered and read. So they have lots of time for anti-gun laws and all sorts of other meddling.
I'd obviously recommend getting your 80% lowers ordered asap.

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I'd obviously recommend getting your 80% lowers ordered asap.

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My company is actively shopping for locations in TX and UT because of CA taxes and the unfriendly business environment here.

I'm actually happy about it, I have grown to hate the legislators in this State, so within the next year we'll probably be gone as well.
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My company is actively shopping for locations in TX and UT because of CA taxes and the unfriendly business environment here.

I'm actually happy about it, I have grown to hate the legislators in this State, so within the next year we'll probably be gone as well.
Utah is business friendly? Things must have changed drastically since I was there last, which was admittedly a couple decades. I remember trying to obtain a measely business license there for temporary I might add, and the process involved the town elders having to meet and vote on it. As I recall, that state was full of restrictionists, although not liberal ones
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G-d help the retirees when they "overturn" Prop 13. It'll force millions to sell their homes and go into retirement communities, because their property taxes will skyrocket.

All this and more coming soon............
Yep, we are about to be taxed into oblivion.

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Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano said Thursday he will try to rewrite state tax laws that he believes allow businesses to avoid higher taxes when commercial property changes hands.

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Two Senate Democrats last week proposed Proposition 13 changes that would make it easier for school districts and libraries to increase parcel taxes.

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Read more here: http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalert...#storylink=cpy
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Utah is business friendly? Things must have changed drastically since I was there last, which was admittedly a couple decades. I remember trying to obtain a measely business license there for temporary I might add, and the process involved the town elders having to meet and vote on it. As I recall, that state was full of restrictionists, although not liberal ones
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Utah falls into the top half at #20 with #1 being freest. Utah is jacked when in comes to drinking and the like.
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Not sure what this 2/3 majority has to do with gun bills unless it's to override a governor's veto.
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