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Old 12-03-2012, 7:40 PM
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Hi, I have an AR-15 and shooting it has become expensive, about $9 for a box of 20 cheap range load... I am looking into reloading and if I invest into it I want to have equipment that I do not have to replace with better equipment later on. I am watched some videos and saw a Lee classic 4 hole turret press, Is there a good kit that includes this ? Will a good lee kit, a manual and supplies (primer,cases,bullet, powder) be all i have to buy? Any reloading advice is much appreciated!! Thank-you
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Old 12-03-2012, 7:46 PM
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I love lee but the hornady lock and load is awesome too
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I love my 4 hole turret, only reason you might upgrade in future is to do the process quicker, being you're clicking off a lot of .223. But then again brass prep is the most time spent anyways.
A kit should come with deburring tools.

What you need to buy are dies for .223, and a crimp die most likely. Maybe a powder thru die depending on your kit as well or if you're using a auto disc measure.
Also a case trimmer for .223.
Plus, you will need either a tumbler and media or a sonic cleaner in order to reuse brass.
Some brass lube too, for sizing.
Ammo boxes for separating the processed ammo/brass.

Digital grain scale saves some time as well.

And lots of free time.

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Old 12-03-2012, 8:14 PM
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Keep an eye on Denver Ducks WTS thread, he gets all kinds of cool stuf at great prices and a heck of a guy in person.
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I had the same mentality as you, not wanting to replace down the road. I went with a Dillon 650..... I highly recommend it!
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Old 12-04-2012, 7:44 AM
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This Lee Turret Kit is all you need to get started and will take care of your needs unless you shoot/reload thousands of rounds a week. Then I'd say the Hornady LNL AP is the way to go. Here's a complete kit, just add dies and you're ready to go. Other items needed are listed as well.

http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...essive+Presses

Add this tumber for your brass: http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...se+Preparation Crushed walnut media can be found at your local pet store, get the smallest particle size possible.

Add this disk kit for rifle if you need it: http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...Category_Code=

Add your 223 dies of preference

Add this scale for ease of use: http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh...emini+20+scale

Add a digital caliper from Harbor Freight ($10-$12) or a dial caliper from ebay for under $20 and you should be all set and ready to go.

Add another load reference like this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/360...loading-manual
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Reloading doesn't save you money. It allows you to shoot more.

I haven't saved a dime rolling my own but I have had the opportunity to shoot tens of thousands of rounds a year.
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Reloading doesn't save you money. It allows you to shoot more.

I haven't saved a dime rolling my own but I have had the opportunity to shoot tens of thousands of rounds a year.

This!

I highly suggest the Lee Classic Turret as a first press kit:
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/785...dex-deluxe-kit

Plus:
http://www.slickguns.com/content/midway-usa

Makes it about $190.


I like lee dies for basic reloading, but the hornady dies are starting to grow on me.

You can clean your brass several ways: tumbler, ultrasonic cleaner, stainless media etc.

Good Luck! It is a whole new addiction ...
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Lee Gear: http://fsreloading.com/
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dont forget the stickie on top of this forum..

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This Lee Turret Kit is all you need to get started and will take care of your needs unless you shoot/reload thousands of rounds a week. Then I'd say the Hornady LNL AP is the way to go. Here's a complete kit, just add dies and you're ready to go. Other items needed are listed as well.

http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...essive+Presses

Add this tumber for your brass: http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...se+Preparation Crushed walnut media can be found at your local pet store, get the smallest particle size possible.

Add this disk kit for rifle if you need it: http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...Category_Code=

Add your 223 dies of preference

Add this scale for ease of use: http://www.amazon.com/American-Weigh...emini+20+scale

Add a digital caliper from Harbor Freight ($10-$12) or a dial caliper from ebay for under $20 and you should be all set and ready to go.

Add another load reference like this one: http://www.midwayusa.com/product/360...loading-manual
thanks! Have you ordered from the company you gave me the links to? (do you recommend them? ) thanks for the help, it looks about $300- $350 to get the supplies necessary
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fm is good. best prices on lee. FS would be good if their shipping was better. if you are buying like 1 or 2 things, fs is probably cheaper.
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Old 12-04-2012, 6:43 PM
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will i need a case trimmer , or is it included in this kit? http://www.fmreloading.com/Merchant2...essive+Presses

Is a case trimmer even necessary for 223 range ammo? - it is not for match grade ammo, just high volume range ammo
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...Is a case trimmer even necessary for 223 range ammo? - it is not for match grade ammo, just high volume range ammo
You will need a trimmer. If you are loading for an AR, you might want to consider a CTS or Possum Hollow power trimmer.
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Old 12-04-2012, 7:49 PM
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BTW, the kit pictured has a handheld Lee trimmer. You can buy what I think Lee calls a length gauge (basically a threaded rod with a pin on the other end). It screws into the cutter and the pin goes through the flash hole. It provides a rough length stop (caliber specific). The package also includes a shellholder that when combined with the lock stud that comes with the cutter, allows you to chuck up the case in a drill and trim with power tools.

For me, I would use the cutter and length gauge by hand until I got fed up with that process, then move up to a CTS/Possom Hollow style trimmer. Just one opinion.

Here is a length gauge: https://fsreloading.com/lee-gagehold...rem-90114.html
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I tried the Lee Zip Trim and boy did it suck. Now I just tear through the cases quickly with "World's Finest Trimmer"

http://www.amazon.com/Worlds-Finest-...3+case+trimmer

If you are going to be reloading military brass the Dillon Super Swagger is awesome.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/con...wage_600_parts
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I just got the lee classic turret kit from graf's. If you shop around you'll find every "kit" comes with different parts included and some necessary parts missing.
If you just want cheaper ammo shop around you should be able to find brass for about 30 per round.
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You said you wanted to buy something good.

Buy a Dillon 550B or 650 if you can swing it. Be done with it for the rest of your life.
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Tumbling media? just let me know! There are lots of ways to save money...
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=621214
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Ditto slo5oh: every kit is missing sumpin' best to find a good price and have it all shipped from as few sources as possible to save shipping costs. Make sure you order a manual

As far as the lct you made a fine choice and you will never ever look back

Trimming brass pretty much blows, the WFT makes it suck alot less its worth the $$ you can get it from the source

http://www.littlecrowgunworks.com/wft.html

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Seriously.. Dillon 550.. than 650 later on if you need it... Possum Hollow for trimming.. get Redding dies.. cry once, buy once
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Thanks led farmer. I just decapped and trimmed my first batch of 223/556. It was pitifully slow and my thumb is seriously swollen.
OP, if time is not a concern you can buy a hand held press and do all your reloading that way. I have been using the lee hand press for a few months now, though i was only loading .45 and they say it's one of the most forgiving to load.
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