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Old 11-30-2012, 2:26 PM
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Maybe you, I and a few others here - but do most of the TV educated electorate?
Hell no. I dont like to badmouth the electorate as a whole, but I will say that California gets the politicians it deserves.
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And we wonder why liberals are elected. RINOs too for that matter. It's often some shallow rooted popularity contest where personal appeal trumps substance and history.
Are you talking about Sarah Palin?
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Are you talking about Sarah Palin?
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Maybe she's seen Michael Mann's film Collateral?

On the topic of working in a fortress, I don't blame her one bit. Say what you want to about her anti-gun politics, but the AG office prosecutes cases against some Very Bad People, some of whom can order a hit against Harris and her staff. The DMV doesn't have to worry about a Cartel hit squad assaulting the building..
The majority of cases the AG's office prosecutes are against people who are licensed by the state in some fashion, like real estate, cosmetology, doctors, chiropractors, contracotrs. They actually just downsized the drug. and violent crimes related units, but spent a great deal of resources on the banking and financial institutions industry where they got their hands on millions and millions of dollars to dole out to the people who lost homes, or now have trouble buying one.
And DMV was far removed from my reference. The constitutionally elected officer I refer to are the Lt Governor, the Treasurer, the controller, the secretary of state,,,,Any of those offices are easily accessed by the individual. The AG's office...no
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Are you talking about Sarah Palin?
I thought he was talking about Obama. Sarah Palin would not be my choice, but she had had far more experience than Obama when he was elected.
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Sitting in a hot tub with both Kamala and Sarah talking about 2A rights would be an absolute pleasure. Intellectual discussions, disagreements and then making up so we are all friends would be winning!
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Sitting in a hot tub with both Kamala and Sarah talking about 2A rights would be an absolute pleasure. Intellectual discussions, disagreements and then making up so we are all friends would be winning!
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http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/30/502...al-oppose.html

The other attorneys general are from California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Nevada and Oregon, along with Pennsylvania's attorney general-elect.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/30/502...#storylink=cpy
In other news, the sun rises from the east....
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Ok, Kamala Harris wants me dead. Now tell me something I didn't already know,.
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They'll react to national reciprocity by criminalizing self defense itself; if they can't lock you up for carrying a gun, they'll toss you in the clink for using it. If drawing a firearm in public carries an automatic 2 year jail sentence it won't matter that carrying it is legal.
The act of self-defense is itself covered by the Second Amendment. I believe this point was made in Heller, implicitly if not explicitly.

Yes, it would probably require another trip to SCOTUS to clarify that, but I think even the liberal justices would have trouble supporting a law that says you can't act in your own personal self-defense, especially since SCOTUS has already ruled that the police have no legal duty to defend you.
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Wrong.

Obama will not sign National Reciprocity into law. Assuming the Republicans spike the drinks of the Democrat Senate members during the vote, Obama will veto anything pro-gun that hits his desk. Since he won re-election, he doesn't have to worry about pissing off half the country with a veto.
Hence why it would have to be attached to something too important to veto, like legislation to address the fiscal cliff.

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As far as left wing women politicians go, she's a super model...

But yeah, she is kinda hot.



She's not young anymore, but she's in good shape. She has nice legs too.
Well, ok, I'll give you that. As leftie liberal socialist politician women go, Kamala doesn't quite make my gag reflex trigger uncontrollably like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz does.
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As far as left wing women politicians go, she's a super model...

But yeah, she is kinda hot.


Airbrushing.
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Old 11-30-2012, 7:51 PM
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"Kamala Harris Joins 9 Attorney's General To Oppose Reciprocity"


But of course, Komrade. Is party line.
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When Holder resigns, she will be the next USAG
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Airbrushing.
I admit I had to dig to find the best one.

I couldnt get her legs to match up with a good picture of her face. You gotta look at one, then the other.

Or neither, I was agreeing with someone else that said she was kinda hot. I could go my whole life without ever seeing her again and die happy. Happier actually.

I'll tell you right now, if we cant get rid of democrats, state AG will not be the last place we see her.
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In other news, the sun rises from the east....
Sorry to point this out... but the Sun is stationary and only appears to rise and set based upon our limited perspective on a rotating planet.
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Sorry to point this out... but the Sun is stationary and only appears to rise and set based upon our limited perspective on a rotating planet.



best post of the day....thank you good sir!

although, to be accurate....the sun is not stationary. It is moving through space just like we are. We just happen to be following it around.
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Seriously, is anyone surprised by this based on what she has been doing with the DOJ since she took office. She is a wolf in bear clothing.
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best post of the day....thank you good sir!

although, to be accurate....the sun is not stationary. It is moving through space just like we are. We just happen to be following it around.
That depends on what spatial frame of reference you decide to use.
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The act of self-defense is itself covered by the Second Amendment. I believe this point was made in Heller, implicitly if not explicitly.

Yes, it would probably require another trip to SCOTUS to clarify that, but I think even the liberal justices would have trouble supporting a law that says you can't act in your own personal self-defense, especially since SCOTUS has already ruled that the police have no legal duty to defend you.
Liberal justices would have no trouble whatsoever supporting a law preventing you from using force in self-defense -- they believe that the state should have a monopoly on the use of force, because they believe only the state has the "wisdom" to properly use force at all.
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Seriously, is anyone surprised by this based on what she has been doing with the DOJ since she took office. She is a wolf in bear clothing.
Sure seemed like news to me, but then again, I don't take the sun for granted regardless of its' history
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Nevada and Oregon joining the party is surprising, especially with Nevada already having reciprocity in that state. Our beautiful state joining in, why is that no surprise. How did this state go so wrong...
Incorrect, Nevada does not have a reciprocity statute or reciprocity with ANY state. Currently Nevada recognizes valid permits issued by 16 other states.
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Because of Harry Reid I'm not.
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Does this mean that they are worried about this actually going somewhere?

It's close but is it close enough to have a shot?

I hope so. OTOH, they could be 'belt & suspenders' people.


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This is what I was thinking when I saw this. Unless somehow there's a very secret plan to attach Reciprocity to the fiscal cliff bill, then this thing will have to start from scratch when the new Congress comes in.

It seems to have a shot if it could ever get a vote in the Senate(attached to another piece of legislation of course). The numbers on this issue in the Senate are unchanged or possibly better.

http://www.poststarnews.com/news/x19...OTTOM-GUN-LAWS A longer article even more biased than the first.

Ooooh! The very idea of it has me drooling.

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I like the NY AG's comment:

"New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman says 68 percent of the guns used in New York crimes last year were traced to other states."

What on earth does this have to do with reciprocity? Do people from out of state show up with guns and start blasting away - no. The "68%" figure - if it's accurate, reflects crimes committed by NY residents using guns brought in to the state by others.

The anti-gun folks can blather out nearly anything and have it made to sound ominous and insightful in the media. I'm waiting for a comment like "you know, 98% of handguns can be made to fire with their safety off" to make it into the paper as a serious quote.

Now you've done it. Bloomberg will be spewing this next week, I'm sure.


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My position is that neither the Ninth nor the Tenth Amendment allows for one state to "infringe" upon its citizens' RKBA more or less than any other state infringes its citizens' RKBA.

I think that is a 14th Amendment stance similar to what Justice Thomas took in McDonald vs. City of Chicago.

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California should not have to cater to anyone toting a firearm that visits our golden state.




As long as she includes members of federal and state law enforcement.
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Well, I AM a little shocked by Nevada joining the party. The rest, not so much.
they just don't want idiots from other states trying to bring guns into their casinos and thinking it's legal....they have enough problems already.
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I was pretty drunk when I wrote that.

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The UT permit is no longer allowed in NV? Glad I got an AZ permit that still works there.
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I'm surprised to see Pennsylvania in there... The others, not so much.
From what I read over at http://www.pagunblog.com/ , I'm not. Apparently that state has been trending from purple to blue for some time now.

In any case that list of states of the relevant AGs is a nice shorthand of the new anti-gun division of America, the unfree states vs everyone else. (to be fair to Pennsylvania, existing state law makes them pro-gun, but where will they will end up twenty years from now? Absent Federal court action Pennsylvania could be as bad as California)
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10 years ago most people on gun boards were saying "you'll never be able to carry at the Grand Canyon or Yellowstone or any other Nat Park" .

Obama signed that into law, he'll sign nat reciprocity if he needs it for something. We should have remained strong with that law about gay rights that nat recip was attached to a few yrs ago.
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they just don't want idiots from other states trying to bring guns into their casinos and thinking it's legal....they have enough problems already.
Last I checked concealed carry isn't illegal in a Nevada casino, even if they have a sign asking you not to. If they make you you'll probably be asked to leave, though.
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Surprised by Oregon. They came close to accepting all permits last year.
Not really. Gun bills in Oregon always go through a committee headed by a Senator who never lets such bills exit his committee for a public vote of the Oregon Senate. If he does, you can guarantee he did a "gut and amend" on the bill, turning it into an anti-gun bill. So long as that Senator is around Oregon will never be close to recognizing other state's permits, no matter what the Oregon House passes.
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Incorrect, Nevada does not have a reciprocity statute or reciprocity with ANY state. Currently Nevada recognizes valid permits issued by 16 other states.
Including Arizona, which you can get by proving that you have a LTC from any other state.
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