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Old 02-01-2008, 7:42 AM
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Default Saiga .223 rate of twist????

I just bought a Saiga 16" in .223 looks like a well made rifle, I know this has been asked before but I can't find it when searching form.

What is the rate of twist? people are saying 1:9 1:10 1:7
Also has any one fired 77SMK through them?
What size groups are you guys getting using hand loads?
Does it have a .223 Chamber or 5.56mm?

Info would be greatly appreciated.
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What does it say on your rifles passport/birth certificate? I think it's 1/7.
my 223 is 137mm. Extreme spread of impacts when firing four bullets at 100-m range(accuracy of fire).
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http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?...&hl=twist+rate

According to them, 1:10.

They also mention doing the patch test, which is relatively easy.
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This what I mean I keep running into the same thing 1:7? 1:10?
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Do the patch test and see what you come up with...
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what kind of batch and how can you see in there?
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Wrap a tight patch around a cleaning rod that is freely rotating in a handle of some sort. Insert patched rod in barrel, mark a spot (tape with a dot, sharpie dot on the rod, observe a scratch on the rod, etc). Push rod through barrel and watch it turn with the rifling until the spot marked rotates to the same position (ie, you saw a mark on the "top" it rotated around as it pushed through and is now on "top" again). The distance down the bore that the patch traveled in one rotation is going to be your twist rate (ie 7" =1 turn in 7" inches/1:7, 9"=1 turn in 9"/1:9, etc.) "
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e-mail RAA and ask.
They will reply with 1 in 10.
I think you're right since my rifle has a 137mm spread.
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I have a sht load of 55 fmj I can reload.
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I will be getting my saiga any day. My son got his Thursday and we went shooting today, along with his new Keltec. Damn cold on top of that mountain today. When I get mine we will see what kind of results you get from your patch test and compare it to mine. I was also curious about that.

If you look in the Acceptance certificate you got with the rifle it tells the accuracy. My sons says :

"Extreme spread of impacts when firing four bullets at 100-m range (accuracy of fire) is 94mm"

Then it has the Chief Insp. Dpt's Stamp. (probably some old Russian dude, sit there sipping his vodka reminiscing about the good old days)

I can't find anything that talks about the rifling though.
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I will be getting my saiga any day. My son got his Thursday and we went shooting today, along with his new Keltec. Damn cold on top of that mountain today. When I get mine we will see what kind of results you get from your patch test and compare it to mine. I was also curious about that.

If you look in the Acceptance certificate you got with the rifle it tells the accuracy. My sons says :

"Extreme spread of impacts when firing four bullets at 100-m range (accuracy of fire) is 94mm"

Then it has the Chief Insp. Dpt's Stamp. (probably some old Russian dude, sit there sipping his vodka reminiscing about the good old days)

I can't find anything that talks about the rifling though.


where are you at?

I had a kel tec before mine broke 5 times the last time I sent in I got my money back and found out that I can have an AR.

the saiga will be my plinker,
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I had a kel tec before mine broke 5 times the last time I sent in I got my money back and found out that I can have an AR.

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If you look in the Acceptance certificate you got with the rifle it tells the accuracy. My sons says :

"Extreme spread of impacts when firing four bullets at 100-m range (accuracy of fire) is 94mm"
3.384 MOA, if my math serves me...

Mine says 119mm.

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I guess I got the least accurate one? At least it has factory dimples.

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With what weight bullet? Should shoot the 55gr better/tighter than the 62gr.

Sort of like the pre 86 Mini14 with a 1:10 twist barrel.

Don't know why Saiga did that. Must be a Russian thing. Or a bad tradeoff.
Unfired, I wonder what weight bullets they used to test it. It's a 2006. I'll try different weights when I get it going.
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that's good to know. I want a red dot for it.
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I'm going to try REALLY hard not to bring my calipers with me to the range tomorrow.
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I don't understand how saiga can claim the spread for each gun.
I reload and can tell you that .3 of grain can open up your group by .5"
I think if you reload for a saiga testing different loads you will find an moa or maybe if you are super lucky sub moa load.
I pick up my saiga on Thursday so I started loading for it, I ll post more after I test.
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Gun makers do it all the time. Some guarantee MOA accuracy...

AK's aren't all that bad. Sighting in two different AKs (all the AKs I've sighted in), I shot three-round groups at 50 yards with the holes all touching (both Romy G kits on NDS-3 receivers). If they're only capable of 3-5 MOA, that would be 1.5-2.5 inches at 50 yards? They were quite a bit tighter than that... Maybe 2 MOA.
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I get mine on Thursday with a high powered scope and reloads Ill be able to moa 5 shots but only in .223 I will post some pics.
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