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http://m.military.com/daily-news/201...ifle-mags.html
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G.I mags suck. The P mag thickness is 0.871 (unloaded) 0.878 (loaded) and the C products mag with rounds inside measures at 0.890. GI mags are too thick, and lead to lock up issues or from getting the lips bent.
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I’m skeptical of the article.
From the article itself: “The decision has left combat troops puzzled, since the PMAG has an Army-approved national stock number, which allows units to order them through the Army supply system.” I don’t think we are getting the whole story of what is and isn’t allowed, or who can use what. |
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Its not actually banning PMAGS themselves its actually banning all polymer mags
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yeah this would suck i have some disassemled for when i deploy to take with me. i bet someone is getting paid off somewhere. anyone have the SOUM to post on this.
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PMAGs are a looks thing.
Unless you are using 10+ year old usgi mags replacing the stock followers with the magpul ones serves the same purpose. Personally I like and on occasion use my pmags for military purposes but have never had a single misfeed or problem with magpul followers on usgi mags and have easily fired 9K rounds through them.
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Maybe the Army is following the USMC's lead, since they banned PMAGs a couple of years ago.
The Magpul PMAG is not made to STANAG specifications and can not work, without modifications, in small arms built to use STANAG spec magazines. |
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In case you are interested, here is an e-mail address you can send a love note to, and a change.org petition on the subject.
usarmy.detroit.tacom.mail.lcmc-pao@mail.mil Petition to the Senate http://www.change.org/petitions/the-...hat-save-lives |
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The Marines have never banned PMAGS as we use them in our unit all the time. Although if you take care of your issued metal mags you should never have a problem, I've never had a single stoppage so far in my 5 years.
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I bring my H&K and SCAR mags everywhere I go (disassembled at home).
I cant stand the ****ty GI mags they give us. Even with the anti tilt followers, or the magpul followers the whole thing is just ****. The H&K mags in my opinion are the BEST magazines made for the M4 platform. The SCAR mag is almost the same, just different floor plate, both super g damn smooth. Ive had PMAGS that split at the feed lips. I think maybe because they are fully loaded, minus 1 or 2 rnds, most of the time and causes excessive pressure? I dont know, I dont care I only use them in my civilian weapons now.
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I would like a pmag mad like the glock magazines though, with a steel insert, especially by the feed lips. IMHO
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I would venture to say this may be motivated by a kickback being thrown to someone at a much higher level...
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sounds about right.
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Well considering the Army doesn't have the M27 I highly doubt that being the reason.
Also, the Army isn't banning PMAGs, we're still actively ordering them to date.
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The Marine Corps just put it in the Marine Corps times that all Polymer Magazines have been banned. Part of this is due to the M27 IAR. The PMAGS will not fit in the M27 where as the new GI issue ones will. Also, will the PMAGS work in a M-249?
I love the PMAGS as I use them as well, and I use them in my AR, but recently we started to get new Mil issue mags that actually have anti-tilt followers and such. The followers are tan instead of green or black. I took them to NTC and I fired hundreds of rounds of live ammo and a thousnads of blank rounds. The only issue I had was one magazine that I had damaged the body on. Otherwise, all other 6 magazines worked without ever having to clean them the whole rotation. |
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Have you ever been in combat? We aren't talkin about a day on the range...I too have little if any issues with GI mags...stateside, in the sandbox and the Stan is a whole different story. GI mags are and have always been flimsy crap...that's just coming from a guy who has used them for 20 plus years |
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Army TACON put out a clarifying message around August that said they were not banning PMAGS just putting out a warning about possibly cheaper magazines. They are still being ordered and used actively.
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I've actually seen pmags break and cause stoppages. I'm not sure what the reason was, it was in the middle of a fire fight so it ended up on the deck, but I've also seen them break on the good ole rifle range as well. For the price and performance benefits, I won't buy the pmags. |
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My limited(non combat zone exp) GIs are a grab bag. HK mags start out great but once they start getting dropped on rocks/concrete/etc or pass the 1k round limit the feed lips start getting bent and have feeding issues. Their weight is a big contributing factor to fall damage also. Pmags work, until their spines crack then its 50/50 on it going on. Lancers, havent seen/heard of their spines cracking yet but again with the metal feed lips that can get bent if dropped on hard ground.
Havent tested my new M3s much yet(AWB scare, lack of ammo, etc) but I prefer them to my LAWMs, mostly cause the Lancer's polymer body is softer(ie I can squeeze them) than Pmags. As for the Corps banning/restricting Pmags due to incompatiability with the M27, a little birdie told me that theres a revised version with a modified magwell(closer to AR spec) that will fit MOE Pmags(and obviously M3s). |
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WOW that was an old article from military.com... NO the army will not ban PMAGS as they do have a GSA contract with magpul for so many mags. I do not remember the amount but Unit supply is authorized to order, also I think if you have maintenance assigned to ur unit they can order them under class 9...i think...
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They were originally thought up to be a 100% disposable magazine. Pmags are not a looks thing, they suffer zero of the same problems. Last edited by hnoppenberger; 01-20-2013 at 12:01 PM.. |
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OLD NEWS. . . .totally false. They didnt ban them, and you can still get them in the military supply system.
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