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Old 06-07-2012, 8:17 PM
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Just wondering if anybody ever try black dye? just want my AK to look something like this:

Was reading through this thread, and didn't see any response to the question above. I like the black also... was wondering if anyone has duplicated this look and how they did it?
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A little google research says that the black finish is called "ebonizing". Sounds like there are many techniques. I'll keep researching and post what I find. If anyone here has done it, I'd really like to hear about how you did it and see some pics! Thanks
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Excellent post, AIMSMALL. Sir, if I may, I have a question regarding the permanent insertion of a single custom decal above the stain and underneath the polyurethane. I have a unique decal from my MW2 clan that I commanded that I would like to display permanently onto my sks buttstock. Which materials would you suggest I use for the decal itself, and what other materials and processes would you suggest I use to make this little dream of mine a reality? Thank you, sir, in advance.
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Excellent post, AIMSMALL. Sir, if I may, I have a question regarding the permanent insertion of a single custom decal above the stain and underneath the polyurethane. I have a unique decal from my MW2 clan that I commanded that I would like to display permanently onto my sks buttstock. Which materials would you suggest I use for the decal itself, and what other materials and processes would you suggest I use to make this little dream of mine a reality? Thank you, sir, in advance.
I really like the wipe on poly but I'm not sure how that would work with a sticker under it, maybe you could test it out on a 2x4 or something? I would imagine the spray on poly would work just fine for what your trying to do but again, testing on a 2x4 might not be a bad idea. Everything else I would do the same as the tutorial says.

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I just received a Bulgarian 74 kit with all wood furniture and it looks like I can just start with 220 grit and go to work. It doesn't look like stripping is necessary like with the Romy.
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I just received a Bulgarian 74 kit with all wood furniture and it looks like I can just start with 220 grit and go to work. It doesn't look like stripping is necessary like with the Romy.
I've done a few of those and the ones I had I did strip before sanding, the fatory finish is nicer then the romy's but still has a clear coating on it and what you don't want to do is try to sand off the clear. You will be better off stripping it and then sanding because you have less chance of damaging the stock the less sanding you do.
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Will Citristrip remove cosmoline from the wood?
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Just wondering if anybody ever try black dye? just want my AK to look something like this:

I just bought a wasr10 and would like to refinish my furniture in this shade.

Anyone wanna help in South LA/North Orange County?
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Minwax stain "ebony" at home depot. Or you could get black dye for water based finishes at rockler.

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I just bought a wasr10 and would like to refinish my furniture in this shade.

Anyone wanna help in South LA/North Orange County?
I've seen a few people try this with mixed results, read thru the thread and there are some guys here giving advice on how to bleach the wood before staining, I would follow those steps first and then use the ebony stain. If you don't bleach before using the dark colors they tend to just look really dark and details of the grain are hard to see so it doesn't look great. I'm sure there's people here who could post pics of what I'm talking about but I haven't used those colors so I don't have any to share.

Any of the more recent posters have pics to share yet?
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I put on a really bad gloss on my AK furniture. I'm assuming that citristrip will take that gloss and any finish I put on off?
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it will take off the gloss and some of the stain but the stain soaks into the wood so you'd have to bleach it to get that out. Don't use spray on clear unless you have a special circumstance that requires it, the finish you get won't be as smooth as the wipe on poly.
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it will take off the gloss and some of the stain but the stain soaks into the wood so you'd have to bleach it to get that out. Don't use spray on clear unless you have a special circumstance that requires it, the finish you get won't be as smooth as the wipe on poly.
Ya, I used some Varathane? like outside door gloss. The finish isn't even close to what I wanted. Gonna pick up some Minwax wipe on poly when I get the chance.
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I decided to not do the bleached ebony finish as im a n00b. Right now i finished staining my furniture (wasr 10/63) with Minwax Dark Walnut stain (3 coats). I just got done putting on the first coat of Minwax wipe on poly. I'll post pics when im done with it!
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I kinda gave up on after my 2nd coat of satin poly, i just rubbed the steel wool and gave in to liking the way it turned out....i guess thats most important. Its got a darker relic'ed look. Here are before and afters:

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I am enjoying this thread. Seeing life come back to those old stocks

Year and years ago my dad showed me how to steam out dents.

For most of the small ones, we used wet rags and a solder iron

You do not need the larger surface of a clothing iron

You can also save the sand paper dust from your sanding

Mix the sandpaper dust with shellac and you have wood filler that is made partially with the dust from your stock. You can also place a few drops of shellac into the ding and sand over the top. The dust from the sanding then colors the shellac that is you filler
You then stain and finish as normal

I messed up my first stock by rushing the steps
I also used a wet tack cloth to pick up sand dust.
The tact was soaking wet and stood up little hairs of wood fiber

I also started in December when I was bored and it was too cold and too damp to get a decent finish results

Seeing this post makes me want to go attack a few rommys...
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BASE45, Cool video! Your furniture looks like it turned out really nice. I did have one question though, I noticed some dents/dings in the top hand guard in the sanding stages and then they seem to be gone later, did you steam them out or fill them? Maybe thats something you could ad to the video? Thanks for posting the video, I'm sure others here will enjoy watching.
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how about someone tell me something about refinishing wood into a super duper titanium light blonde finish...that would look great!
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hey guys, the metal clips for attaching the furniture to the barrel seems stuck, pls help me remove them from upper and lower AK handguard!
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I have a Romanian stock with the black stripe on the end and although i've stripped it as much as i think is possible and sanded from 100, 220, 280, I still can't get rid of some remaining black. I'm afraid to sand it down any further. Should I bleach it?

I'm refinishing the furniture on a Maadi kit and the upper handguard is much darker than the lower. I think I'm going to try staining with sedona red to try and get them a little closer to each other but I'd love any suggestions if anyone has any.
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I stripped my Romy G with some of the real costic stuff from Home Depot, not the orange, and stuff the the black stripe came off. You might try using the stripper again. Another way to strip a finish is to soak it in Acetone for a while (like 12 - 24 hours). I saw that on youtube, but I don't think it does any better than using paint stripper.
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I have a Romanian stock with the black stripe on the end and although i've stripped it as much as i think is possible and sanded from 100, 220, 280, I still can't get rid of some remaining black. I'm afraid to sand it down any further. Should I bleach it?

I'm refinishing the furniture on a Maadi kit and the upper handguard is much darker than the lower. I think I'm going to try staining with sedona red to try and get them a little closer to each other but I'd love any suggestions if anyone has any.
I haven't had that problem but I will say that sanding it down more is a bad idea. If the stripper won't get it out I would consider leaving it depending on how bad it is. Also, the colors of the pieces never really match quite right, it's just how they were, if you want them to match you can bleach them (I've never done that) but to look "correct" they don't need to match.
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Was reading through this thread, and didn't see any response to the question above. I like the black also... was wondering if anyone has duplicated this look and how they did it?
Could be wrong but that wood doesn't look stock. I'd bet its a back and white lam to start with. Not dyed black.
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Just wondering if anybody ever try black dye? just want my AK to look something like this:

This isn't ebonizing. Ebonizing is too fast a process and won't look like this. It also isn't a laminate black white.

This is a stain and wipe. Start with a black (not ebony) stain, oil based. Wipe on heavy, leave it for a short time ( I mean short, as in a minute or so), wipe with the grain, heavily. I have pictures of a piece of 2x4 I did this on. Your wood needs to be pretty light for best look.
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It also isn't a laminate black white.
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If fact it is a U.S. made black and white laminate, even found the link to the seller. I'll see if I can find where I put it. Stain simply wont do that. (Also not the hg and pg - clearly not milspec)
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dunno, my test on pine looks just like that. Including areas that are near white with black in any pitting or harder spots in the wood along with the grain. Not saying that the stock isn't laminated. Just that there is more to it. We can simulate it pretty well without laminate. I am going to get some pieces of white hard wood to try to see how it looks.
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just reporting what I found. Pics of your results would be great. Tagged for pics.
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just reporting what I found. Pics of your results would be great. Tagged for pics.
I found it for sale as well now. I hear that some later aks have laminated stocks. If so, we could probably replicate almost exactly with an added aftermarket grip by doing .. I think it is called better blond, it is a white tinted water based stain first, then laying the black stain on the laminated stock, wipe quickly and firmly and it should work.

The store did not have any wood that was useful. I am bleaching some narsty ak furniture right now but that isn't going to be blacked. Here are the pine images though. Just a quicky.







The rippling in the final pic is because this is just a raw 2x4 scrap which is rippled. Otherwise the finish comes out nicely with light dark. A white tining pre-treat would probably wrap up the deal on a real laminate stock that has been properly cleaned.
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I am a little concerned about tonights work. I was doing a pigment bleach job, it worked great, except the laminate upper handguard showed some strange fiber destruction. When it's dry I will be able to see if things have gone really bad or if it was just the effect of the water. The other solid wood parts showed now issues of fiber destruction and lift (forms a soft foamy layer that can be wiped off).
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Wood is still drying this morning but, yeah, be careful with the upper handguard. It is rough now, definite fiber destruction. I believe because of how it was bent the fibers were under tension and when softened sufficiently by the bleach they let go. Sanding should restore it, but we shall see.. some pics of the after bleach.



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The bleached wood is still drying, our local humidity has been very high.

Completed my other furniture restoration and I like it. Gunstock stain, 3 coats of wipe on poly satin. I first did gloss and stripped it, terrible look. Satin is very nice. I am very happy with the results.







I decided to NOT go black on the bleached stock but to go blond with a golden pecan. Should be very nice.
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stained with sedona red 222 and finished with zinsser bullseye clear transparent shellac

thanks for the tips OP
Alright now im excited! I pick up my AK on the 19th (damn you CA and your 10 days that feel like a month), wood looks pretty much like your before, and im gonna shoot for the "Russian red" or something similar to your after photo! ahhhh i cant wait!

My grandfather does alot of woodworks so im hoping i dont have to buy a ton of this stuff haha
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I'm sorry but am I missing something here? Have the original posters pics been deleted from Photobucket or is my virus software blocking the pics? Anyone else have the same problem with this thread?
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Pics are back up
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KTO 1911 80% + Rock Island Parts Kits + Aimsmall arms 1911 Jig group buy OPEN
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Old 07-27-2013, 7:05 PM
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Replaced the crappy furniture on the Norinco NHM91 (TOP) with Birch Laminate from Ironwoods stained it with Red Rit Liquid Dye and finished it with Polyurethane varnish





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