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Old 11-16-2012, 8:38 PM
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Default AK owners ..... 5.45 or 7.62

Im in the market for a Arsenal SGL but Im undecided as to which caliber.
Im curious as to what you guys are shooting and why ..... (cost, available now & later, distance, accuracy, recoil, weight, stopping power, etc etc)
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Old 11-16-2012, 8:43 PM
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both imo have the same recoil.
i believe the distance is the same. i can accurately shoot the 762 up to 400 yards with irons.
both can be shot accurately. depends more on the shooter.
762 will def gets the better stopping power imo.

if you are going to carry mags on you then 545 is better. try carrying 4 mags of 762.

if you want the umpf then get 762.
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Most cheap 5.45 is corrosive and your rifle will require immediate attention after shooting to neutralize the corrosive salts. The benefits of the corrosive rounds is that they will last a very long time in storage.
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If you forced me to choose.....7.62x39.
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1. 7.62 x 39

2. 5.45 x 39

In any order just get both. If not, pick #1
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Lots of non-corrosive 7.62 out there. 5.45, not so much.
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Me thinks that the 39 would be more readily available.
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fwiw my saiga is. 223

545 went up 25%? in the last year, $40 or so less than cheap wolf 7.62

Milsurp 545 is getting scarce, attracts a magnet, and no Amer. manuf that I know of. Milsurp goes then how much will ammo. be?

7.62 is expensive non-mag but at least you can get it.

.223 at least I can reload the brass.

I have a 7.62 SKS and just like 30 cal. don't forget ak74 mags are $35 each? I paid more.

SKS stripped clips so no mags = way less weight

5.45 is a bit of a gamble and 7.62 is the sure thing
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Well, do you have any pre-ban magazines? That would be my determining factor. I have more 7.62 mags than 5.45, but my 7.62 AKs are currently in Arizona. Ammo for both is available, and not that expensive. I went the saiga 5.45 route a couple years back because the surplus ammo was too cheap to miss. And I stashed enough of it to deal with hoardes of zombies. But for everyday shooting, I use the modern, non-corrosive Wolf and Tula. It is about the same as 7.62x39 online. On the other hand, Walmart has been carrying Tula 7.62x39 for less than I pay for it online lately. That has allowed me to stock up enough that I have been playing with the SKS more. I guess what it comes down to is which you prefer. The 5.45 is flatter shooting, and has less recoil. The 7N6 ammo that you can still get for it is nasty, and leaves nasty holes in things. You can google the guy that did a necropsy of a deer he hit with it. It was messy. Unfortunately, finding ammo locally can be problematic. The 7.62 has a heavier bullet, and more knock-down power. Ammo is also available in most stores. Even walmart. And it has more recoil to go with that extra power. Both are good rounds, especially in that platform. Pick which ever one appeals to you and get it.
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I have both. I prefer shooting my 5.45 vs 7.62 as the 5.45 have a flatter trajectory. It's also lighter on the recoil. My shoulder can testify to that. They can be both accurate (they are certainly no ARs). The 5.45 iron sight is good for 440 meters (http://russianoptics.net/400mzero.html), while the 7.62 is sighted for 300m. Both will go bang every time you pull that trigger. But the 5.45 is more controllable in a rapid fire, than a 7.62.

Fact: 5.45 are scarce right now because there weren't that many rifles or platforms sold that was chambered for it.
Fact: AR uppers & mags are being made for the 5.45X39.
Fact: Only Hornady makes 5.45X39 stateside.
Fact: Before, all I could find were milsurps. They were cheaper then. But have gone up in price.
Fact: You can now buy Wolf, Tula, & Silver Bears for the 5.45.

Pretty basic rule of supply & demand. Demand is up, price goes up. Demand is low, prices stay low.

For people who think the round is going in the way of a dinosaur, I think you guys are wrong. This is the replacement for the 7.62 as the 7.62 came out 2 years after WWII (1947) and was modeled after the German Stg44 round, 7.92mm.

There's more and more demand for the 5.45 because the platforms being introduced to use them. For $170, I can get 1k of 5.45 vs 5.56 (which will run me $300+ for 1k), and plink with my AR chambered for the 5.45 all day long. More and more people are getting the 5.45 like myself because carrying a butt load of ammo in 7.62 would limit what you can carry or store in a SHTF scenario. I can get a fist full of 30 rounds of 5.45 in my hand. Realistically, as a civy, I doubt I'll ever get to engage a target passed 300 yards, or 300 meters. I can't even get on a range passed 200 yards, unless I'm a member or in competition.

Will there be a ban of importation of Russian made firearms? Will the former Eastern Block nations who are now part of NATO affect the supply of 5.45? I don't know. If there's a market for it, I think there will be an American ammunition company that will be enterprising enough to capture this growing segment of AK fan boyz in 5.45.

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Sgammo has 5.45x39 and it is just as cheep as 7.62x39.Mil-surp has all but dried up I think due to the war.
http://www.sgammo.com/product/surplu...sive-tula-ammo

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Old 11-17-2012, 12:07 AM
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Old 11-17-2012, 2:47 AM
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5.45 is a neat round. I'd love to have an ak74 again.

Does your local range allow magnetic? 5.45 surp is mag, and so is the rest of it. if you can find non mag, it will cost.

Not that 7.62 non mag is growing on trees. I wish I bought more yugo

I've never seen 5.45 at a gun show either.

5.45 simply isn't very common.
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BTW, Hornady makes a nice 5.45 x 39 round steel case with non-metallic bullet and sold 50 in a box.
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What is this 5.45x39 you speak of???

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I'd also go with 7.62 if I could only have one. It's the original AK round and it's excellent.

However 5.45 is great too. Recoil is incredibly light, it's no more than a 22. The proof is that even my little 8 year old can shoot my 74 and like it! Flat shooting out to ~600 yards, but it's unlikely you'll be using an AK for that.

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Since my 5.45 ak rifles are some of my favorites, I suggest getting a 7.62 rifle.
That way, there is more ammo left for me to shoot.

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Have both, and like both.
Given a choice of one or the other.......
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cost ---------- I don't remember?
available now---No. (not in CA)
later? ----------Maybe but I doubt it.
distance---------Well it's a 5.56x45
accuracy---------Good enough out of a 16.3" barrel.
recoil-------------Nancy Boys might feel the recoil?
weight------------8.3 lbs.

stopping power---?
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7.62 wins my vote. A a poll on this thread would help you see peoples opinions.
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If you forced me to choose.....7.62x39.
Same. I LOVE 5.45, but force a choice, and I'll pick 7.62. You can't go wrong with either, though. The only thing you CAN go wrong with is 5.56 or any other straight-cased cartridge.
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Most cheap 5.45 is corrosive and your rifle will require immediate attention after shooting to neutralize the corrosive salts. The benefits of the corrosive rounds is that they will last a very long time in storage.
That's a good thing?????
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The correct answer for you depends on what you are going to do with it. For cost of ammo considerations, I would say 7.62x39 or 5.45x39. The down side is most of that affordable ammo is not allowed at ranges. You'd only be able to use them at undesignated shooting areas on federal land. Recoil of the 7.62 is more substantial, muzzle climb control is more challenging. Takes more work on the shooter's part to be accurate.

If you want something you can shoot at designated ranges, then 5.56 would be better. Trade off is you're looking at $100+ more per every 1,000 rounds of ammo.

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Same. I LOVE 5.45, but force a choice, and I'll pick 7.62. You can't go wrong with either, though. The only thing you CAN go wrong with is 5.56 or any other straight-cased cartridge.
Strange. Have not had any issues with my MAK90 chambered for 5.56 since 98. Seems reliable to me. thanks for the tip.
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I say if you have a AR15 in 5.56, then an AK47 (7.62x39) is the natural progression.
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I have steered clear of the 5.45 option for the sake of ammo simplicity. Limiting all my rifles to 7.62x39, 7.62x54, and 5.56 just makes life easier.
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5.45x39 definetly. ammo is very cheap if you know where to get it. It ain't going away any time soon.
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Like pretty much everyone else has already said: marry the 7.62, and have the 5.45 as a mistress.
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Strange. Have not had any issues with my MAK90 chambered for 5.56 since 98. Seems reliable to me. thanks for the tip.
I'd bet the OP isn't buying a MAK90 in CA. Chinese and Bulgarian are great but neither are available here anymore.
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Both.

Hey I went with 5.45 on my first and now own several 7.62.... you don't know how hard it has been for me not to buy one of the new PAP pistols..... I have been fighting the force, but fear I shall break soon.

However, where do you live and can you even shoot 5.45 at your local ranges. Corrosive is a non-issue, bi metal is a big issue. 5.45 7N6 has a bi metal projectile that most ranges will not allow, especially indoor. However, shooting a rifle indoor gets tired very quickly. Hopefully you live on 500 acres of beautiful shooting farm land or can head out to BLM and be a a good spot within an hour, 7N6 all day long.
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I have both, and they are great. I would go with the Ak47 if I had to choose one.
1. More choices of ammo. 5.45x39 is getting a little harder to find.
2. 7.62x39 is harder hitting.
3. Build both for the price of buying the one.
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In NorCal on my home range steel core is not allowed but bi-metal jacket is a O.K.
I shoot the Russian 7n6 for the 5.45x39 or Silver bear, and my favorite is Golden Tiger for the 7.62x39.
Nothing but federal XM193 in my 5.56x45 chambered AKs.
Most of the guys I know down South where bi-metal jacket is an issue shoot the Yugo surplus 7.62x39. Good ammo, Won't stick to a magnet, Brass cased, and only mildly corrosive with good consistency from round to round (inexpensive also).

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I'd bet the OP isn't buying a MAK90 in CA. Chinese and Bulgarian are great but neither are available here anymore.
re read the post before you try and sharp shoot me guy.
what did I say about availability now and later.
OP wanted to know what we shoot and why etc. etc.. Was meant sort of tongue in cheek so to speak.
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I haven't shot a 5.45 but I've handled a 7.62 AK and it's pretty damn hard to keep on target at 100 yards when you're rapid firing. I am sure the 5.45 is like the 5.56 and that is damn easy to control. For me, I can care less that the 7.62 is more powerful, the 5.45 is good enough to do what it was meant to do. I am more into controlling the gun and staying on target than having the bullet break concrete. Just my opinion though. I wouldn't get a 5.45 though, i'd rather get a 5.56 AK since it's easier to find.
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I bought my AK in 7.62 due to availability of the firearm in my budget. Now I am in the market for the AK in 5.45. 7.62 is pretty cheap to shoot, fairly light recoil, and just a fun round. I've been shooting my AK at all my range trips since purchasing it. I would say get both eventually.
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