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Old 11-15-2012, 9:29 AM
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Help me send a clear message to our governement that guns are a national tradition and any further regulation on firearms is a direct attack on OUR bill of rights. Please copy and paste this link spread the word and get this petition on "We The People" White House web page. We don't need to secede from the union just send a clear defined message. Please help me and sign my petition. http://wh.gov/XWGV
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Are you an NRA member? If not, joining it will have a bigger impact than another worthless petition.
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For maximum effectiveness, Join the NRA, contribute to the NRA and Calguns, and sign ANY petition promoting liberty.

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I respect your initiative, but we see a new petition posted here at least twice a month, and none of them have ever had any effect. On the other hand, the NRA, SAF, & CGF all have a track record of making at least some positive difference for gun owners.
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I signed yours sign mine
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...state/BrZH1BYH

Its a minute of your lives guys sign the man's petition so it gets over 150 votes and becomes searchable by the public. If it gets enough votes like the secede from Texas one then the Obama administration will be forced to respond. Whatever we can do to take up a couple hours of their lives is a good thing.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:12 PM
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I support the NRA, NRA-ILA, and I do believe having our voices heard will matter. If the sen. Like Feinstien think we are just going to lay by the way side as the rest of the country becomes like us they will enact another awb but if we show strength more than just through the NRA and get off our butts sign this I hope it will send a message. So please sign it. http://wh.gov/XWGV This is another way to fight for our rights and show our numbers.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:31 PM
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I signed yours sign mine
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...state/BrZH1BYH

Its a minute of your lives guys sign the man's petition so it gets over 150 votes and becomes searchable by the public. If it gets enough votes like the secede from Texas one then the Obama administration will be forced to respond. Whatever we can do to take up a couple hours of their lives is a good thing.
I skimmed through the 166 petitions currently on that site. There's a load of FAIL there, even though there might be a few serious ones I would support if I knew more about the issues.

And what do you mean by " the Obama administration will be forced to respond?" I can think of a lot of reponses that aren't worth having, from laughter to launching armed Predators and black helicopters. The most common response, I venture, will be "We have considered this petition and decided not to take action at this time," cut and pasted en masse by some unpaid intern.

<sarcasm> Following one of the more common subsets of petitions, I was thinking of starting a petition to "expel and revoke the citizenship of those petitioners who deny the 1st Amendment Rights of others by threatening to punish them by revocation and expulsion for signing petitions that they (the second group of petitioners) don't agree with." Then I realized that I would then fall into the same category myself. (</sarcasm>
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If your such a bitter gun owner you should sign this. I realize that there are a lot of idiotic petition on there but I do believe if this actually makes it to have national review on the site this will take off. If its black helicopters as a response, so be it. A response is response none the less. But to be as afraid of our government as everyone that say things like this than we really need to start voicing our concerns and our belief in our bill of rights as being as valid today as when they where written.
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Does anyone know of any such petition which did anything useful?

Seriously, even when you e-mail your congressperson you usually get an only partially responsive "form" e-mail in response.

These petitions are pretty much universally worthless except insofar as you are giving the White House your contact information and your position on a particular issue. And do you know what the limits are on their use of that information?

Taking your dog for a walk is more useful than are these petitions.

And even if there were someone who were going to take these petitions seriously? Do you really think that someone who was on the board of the Joyce Foundation and has recently affirmed that he wants to re-impose an Assault Weapons Ban would actually do something beneficial with such a petition?

It's about as realistic as sending a petition to the White House asking them to get Holder to come clean on F&F. . .

I'm glad I'm not a moderator. I'd not be at all kind to the posting of such petitions on this forum. In fact, I consider even being linked to such petitions on this forum to be a sufficiently bad thing that I'd be deleting the threads and hitting people with the temporary ban stick.
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Old 11-15-2012, 1:34 PM
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It is a sad thing that you would want to censor the Internet just as much as our government does. At this one I am willing to try anything and everything to save our rights as firearms owners. I would think with how many rights have been stripped away from us Californians that we as a group would be trying by any means to have our voices heard. It is when good men don't take action that allow evil to rule.
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Did you go on a twenty-five mile run for gun rights this morning? Why not?
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It is a sad thing that you would want to censor the Internet just as much as our government does. At this one I am willing to try anything and everything to save our rights as firearms owners. I would think with how many rights have been stripped away from us Californians that we as a group would be trying by any means to have our voices heard. It is when good men don't take action that allow evil to rule.
Except that our liberal/socialist legislators know that firearms are legal and Constitutional, and they do not care. Their personal beliefs push law, logic, and reality aside.

Internet petitions have the legal strength of a wet paper bag, and the merits of whatever grass your bull ate last night. The NRA is the dog in this fight. Without the NRA, we would not have firearms in the hands of the law-abiding.

The White House gets thousands of petitions every week. 99.999% are totally ignored....unless you are a muslim seeking sharia law to be implemented soon in America.
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Did you go on a twenty-five mile run for gun rights this morning? Why not?
I blew out my knee while serving in the Marine Corps so I limit myself to swimming 2 miles three days a week a La Jolla Cove. That and its sorta cold outside.

Obviously I know you being sarcastic but how hilarious would a 5k run for gun rights be in the heart of San Francisco. When I was in college the California College Republicans annual meeting was at Berkeley and there was a march through Peace park by the CRs. Think about it Cal Guns
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It is a sad thing that you would want to censor the Internet just as much as our government does. At this one I am willing to try anything and everything to save our rights as firearms owners. I would think with how many rights have been stripped away from us Californians that we as a group would be trying by any means to have our voices heard. It is when good men don't take action that allow evil to rule.
Your heart seems to be in the right place, but I'm guessing that you are young.

Most of us oldies are too busy/tired/cynical/whatever to do anything that really doesn't offer any real possibility of getting us further towards our goal. Signing these petitions doesn't. And, frankly, I don't want my name on any Obama website.

Good men taking action is only effective when the action has a chance of being successful. Otherwise, there are better things to do, such as supporting lawsuits, sending money to pro-gun associations, getting involved in grass roots politics, taking hoplophobes shooting and the like.

And yes, 5K runs if you like - that'll probably have a direct effect on far more people, some of whom might support you.

And what is this excrement about censoring the internet? Nobody has said you cannot post or sign a petition if you want to, just that we don't all wish to emulate you.
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And I do all these thing. I take as many people as I can that are afraid of guns or think guns are for evil purposes only or my neighborhood young adults out shooting. I support the nra. i support the ila. But to use as much time as you are putting into writing how wrong I am for trying to take action instead of spending 2 minutes to sign it just shows how self defeating we are.
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And I do all these thing. I take as many people as I can that are afraid of guns or think guns are for evil purposes only or my neighborhood young adults out shooting. I support the nra. i support the ila. But to use as much time as you are putting into writing how wrong I am for trying to take action instead of spending 2 minutes to sign it just shows how self defeating we are.
You really don't get it, do you? And I did not say you were wrong, just that I do not wish to follow your example, and why. If you are incapable of understanding that I have the right not to blindly and uncritically follow your orders and do what you think I should do, then it is you that is being self-defeating.
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On my next half marathon I'll wear a shirt saying "running for our firearms rights." Next one is scheduled for beginning of February. Post picture when it's done. And yes, I am young 27. Two beautiful daughters who's rights I am trying to make sure are preserved for their generation. I want to pass along my guns to them like my grandfather did, like my dad did when he passed away this year. These are family heirlooms. I only got an hour of sleep last night due to the fact of trying to get this off the ground. Woke up to take care of my children then off to work in an hour for another 10 hour day. So it is not due to I have a lot of time i am doing this. But, this is something I am passionate about. I love to hunt, shoot and fish. To think that two of these things I won't be able to do or pass on to future generation bothers me. I am just trying to do something that might at least make one person in d.c. Hear me than it is worth it. I feel like we might get a response of a little more substance than the "we received your message" for our politicians.
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Old 11-15-2012, 2:25 PM
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I said my peace hopefully it hasn't fell on deaf ears.
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On the idea of going through San Francisco proclaiming our support of the RKBA?

Members of our forum meet up with the Pink Pistols and do just that every year. Feel free to join them this year or next. And no, you needn't be a member of the Pink Pistols or join their lifestyle choices - it just means that you are supporting their RKBA while they support ours.
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On my next half marathon I'll wear a shirt saying "running for our firearms rights." Next one is scheduled for beginning of February. Post picture when it's done. And yes, I am young 27. Two beautiful daughters who's rights I am trying to make sure are preserved for their generation. I want to pass along my guns to them like my grandfather did, like my dad did when he passed away this year. These are family heirlooms. I only got an hour of sleep last night due to the fact of trying to get this off the ground. Woke up to take care of my children then off to work in an hour for another 10 hour day. So it is not due to I have a lot of time i am doing this. But, this is something I am passionate about. I love to hunt, shoot and fish. To think that two of these things I won't be able to do or pass on to future generation bothers me. I am just trying to do something that might at least make one person in d.c. Hear me than it is worth it. I feel like we might get a response of a little more substance than the "we received your message" for our politicians.
That sentiment is greatly appreciated.

For what you want to do, contacting the CRPA and California NRA lobbyists and asking how you could be helpful might be a good idea.
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The two big issues with these petitions I'm aware of are

1) These petitions are meaningless, there have been a hundred before yours and there will be a hundred after yours. All of them have and will continue to have zero results. Sorry ShootinBlankz, but if you think an online petition is going to do anything you're... um... shooting blanks

2) These petitions actually discourage real 2A activism in their own small way. Say you're a busy person, pro-gun, and want to spend a bit of time to help the effort, some small bit of activism you hope can add to the greater whole of the effort. You find Calguns.net or any other gun forum, and you look around the threads for some way you can offer your own bit of support. But instead of finding something practical, you find a stupid meaningless petition that is being pawned off as something that will actually help the 2A. You sign the petition, pat yourself on your back for your small effort, and then go back to the rest of your life.

So in the end, instead of this individual doing something of some actual meaning (like voicing opposition directly to members of the state legislature against a specific bill, which is partly what helped stop SB249 for example), this individual actually did nothing to help the cause and walked away for the day thinking they did something so they don't have to keep looking for other ways to help today. Result is a net loss of 2A activism
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are you serious? How many gun owners honestly are ACTIVISTS on the subject? And i dont mean the "iam part of CGN and post and believe in it" attitude. There are not many, and it is a very few minority that actually stand up and get involved, not just own firearms and discuss it.

Him starting a petition or signing may seem uselss, but damnit its better than what most people do

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i don't know where y'all get the idea that zero "will have to respond". there's no guaruntee he'll even read it, no matter how many signatures it gets. let's face it, his track record responding to the "will of the people" is dismal. it MAY get someone's attention, it may vanish into limbo.
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Thanks for the support Vladimir, something is better than nothing. This is not a one day deal. I talk to a bunch of libs at my job seems like that is all there is here, on a daily basis. I have been voicing my concerns and rights. It's slowly been working. I am an activist for what I believe in. It's going to be a battle. I wish we could fix this nation instead of cessation from the union. We are better than that.
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I looked through a lot of those petitions and a bunch of the responses for the few that 'qualified'.

The only one that resulted in anything was the one asking for Obama's home brew beer receipe. Every other response was from some clerk type, just regurgitating the same old propaganda.
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On my next half marathon I'll wear a shirt saying "running for our firearms rights." Next one is scheduled for beginning of February. Post picture when it's done. And yes, I am young 27. Two beautiful daughters who's rights I am trying to make sure are preserved for their generation. I want to pass along my guns to them like my grandfather did, like my dad did when he passed away this year. These are family heirlooms. I only got an hour of sleep last night due to the fact of trying to get this off the ground. Woke up to take care of my children then off to work in an hour for another 10 hour day. So it is not due to I have a lot of time i am doing this. But, this is something I am passionate about. I love to hunt, shoot and fish. To think that two of these things I won't be able to do or pass on to future generation bothers me. I am just trying to do something that might at least make one person in d.c. Hear me than it is worth it. I feel like we might get a response of a little more substance than the "we received your message" for our politicians.
Most people here would agree with this post. Thing is DC has already heard us. And they have shown that they don't give a f*** what we say. The battle for gun rights is not new. It's been going on for DECADES. They know our position. We know their position. Being heard is not the problem. Having tyrannical legislators is the problem.
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I just get this creepy feeling inside about petitions. Not only that they record your name and other stuff for 'the list', it is also acknowledging that they have the all power over you, that you need to ask permission from other man or woman you may not even have voted for or approved of to do things or own things. It's ridiculous that we the people allowed things to get this messed up. Sorry for the rant,
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Sorry! I don't want anymore of my info out there, than there is.
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KUDOS TO YOU OP. THIS IS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION IS ALL ABOUT. FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
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Multiply your force. Continue to do what you do, but instead of ineffective
petitions, contribute a few bucks every payday to CGFoundation. The work
these guys do is worth ten thousand petitions.



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Throw some money at the NRA. It doesn't matter how much, just do it. Anything than another damn worthless online petition
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First and most importantly thanks, huntercf. The only reason I am doing this damn worthless petition is to get a solid answer from them hopefully and out of all those petitions on we the people not one is on gun control or else I would have abandon this before I even got this damn idea. I try to invest as much time and money as my life allows to follow and supporting any thing to do with firearms. I voted to nra recommendations. I mail my represenitves, not email, on anything the is happening with our rights. Granted it doesn't really help when all of your reps are Antigun libs but I still try. Just as much as I hope who ever is reading this will for me. All I need is another 135 signatures to it so that it can be up on their site for anyone to sign. At this stage it's all grassroots to get it to that stage and I will be damned if I don't do every thing in my power to say I tried to stop them from taking my rights away. I refuse to be a sheep lead to slaughter. Other than that I hope all of you have a nice weekend.
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I think you may misunderstand the intent of the WH petition thing.

Consider the cynicism of effectively saying that they will not respond to the petition of a single individual? No, you have to have 25,000 signatures and then some low-level staffer will probably take a look at the thing and craft some sort of response (probably a variant of the form letter that you'd get if you had sent a letter rather than sending a petition).

But at the same time you give the WH the opportunity to claim that they are open to suggestions and are addressing the concerns of the public - even though they couldn't care less what item you address in the petition.

And if your petition doesn't even meet the 25,000 signature level? Well, obviously it is of no real interest to the country and Obama shouldn't bother his no-longer-gray head about it.

If you do reach the 25,000 level? Again, you put out a version of the form letter and you get to claim that the concern was adequately addressed. There is no forum or person to whom you can appeal and point out that it was inadequately addressed and the response was wholly inadequate.

It's all a propaganda win for the WH without their having to do one little thing of substance. And since everyone is having to self-identify, it's a great way to build an enemies list as well!

Win-win for the WH. Lose-lose for those who want freedom and an accountable government.
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I signed it, what harm could it do.
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kudos to ya OP, just try to realize that for many of the guys on this forum, well, it's not their first time around the block with these issues, and, they do pretty much know what they are talking about

just because it ends up on a piece of paper, in black and white..well, it doesn't always end up as simple as something in black and white

i hope you understand what im trying to say
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Thanks morfeeis, and I understand I just have a funny feeling with this administration and their last term in office that we are going to take heavy hits or worst.
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Sorry olecuss, missed your post. I realized the fact of them being able to side step the entire thing and also the fact of no feedback area before I wrote up the petition. A huge downside but I figured a few minutes at best for each person to sign it for a chance of a reply of substance was worth it for me. Granted, I have spent way more time on this trying to get signatures, but lucky enough I have friends that feel the same that are willing to start posting it in forums they frequently contribute to. So I might have a chance yet. I will see how it is looking and hopefully I will have the needed signatures before thanksgiving so I can go to the gumshow and just enjoy my time instead of trying to get more but hey still worth it to me.

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Unless you manage to round up 100 Million Americans to sign your petition, you're just some fringe lunatic who doesn't quite grasp how things work. Look at the mockery of all of the people who think signing a petition will help their state to secede from the Union. Even Breitbart posted an article that these folks are completely misguided.
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