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Old 09-14-2012, 1:42 PM
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Correct but basically so is a shotgun . That didn't stop them here from banning Taurus Judges as "short barreled shotguns"
that is because CA law says that something can be a "short barreled shotgun" without it first being a shotgun. It is codifed in law.


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How do you get past the Calif lab test requirement unless you build as a single shot?
you don't. that is why you initially build in in a dimensionally-compliant single-shot configurarion.

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well, that's exactly what I said, you have to do it as a single shot. Just wondering if people are even aware of a barrel length requirement when it comes to single shots, unless I'm wrong about it. Most of the time, when we discuss single shot here, it's about AR pistols, and generally, the barrels on AR pistols are what 7" to 10.5" inches? So this question doesn't come up very often.
those that are actually building SSE pistols know about the barrel and OAL requirements.

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I'm wondering out loud here but why would someone want to build a single shot 1911?(besides the because I can answer). Why not work with a smith/ffl and get a frame, do the single shot conversion then DROS it out a a single shot. After that, you can do as you please.
why would I want to build a single-shot 1911. maybe so that it is built the way I want and that I can be proud that I built my own gun. nothing says that it has to stay as a single-shot. Once I comply with the law and use the exemption afforded to SSE handguns, nothing says that I can't latter modify it into a semi-auto config. Just as if I had bought it from an FFL as an SSE and them converted it afterwards.
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that is because CA law says that something can be a "short barreled shotgun" without it first being a shotgun. It is codifed in law.


you don't. that is why you initially build in in a dimensionally-compliant single-shot configurarion.

those that are actually building SSE pistols know about the barrel and OAL requirements.

why would I want to build a single-shot 1911. maybe so that it is built the way I want and that I can be proud that I built my own gun. nothing says that it has to stay as a single-shot. Once I comply with the law and use the exemption afforded to SSE handguns, nothing says that I can't latter modify it into a semi-auto config. Just as if I had bought it from an FFL as an SSE and them converted it afterwards.
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Out of curiosity, what's the "cooling off period" before you're legally able to sell a homemade, personal use firearm? I'm planning on building an AK, and I'm not planning on selling it, but if the time comes that I have to, I don't want to get slapped with some manufacturing charge because I didn't wait 5 years, 1 year, whatever. Thanks in advance!

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Does anyone have a working link for the pdf he posted?

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Does anyone have a working link for the pdf he posted?

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give it a couple days. Gene had a webserver issue and is rebuilding the site.
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So after recommending you put a serial number on home built guns so you don't get in trouble, that's what just got a guy I knows AR's taken away!

This guys brother had a late season tag that he filled the last Saturday of the season. They quartered the buck up and let the meat age for a week before cutting it up. When they cut the buck up the guy I know takes a little meat home with him. Well he gets pulled over by a game warden (tail light) and the warden finds the meat. This guy tells the warden the whole story because it's the truth and the warden's not buying it. He accuses the guy of back dating the tag on a fresh kill. The warden takes the meat and the head to do DNA test. The guy I know knows it's the same deer so nothing to worry about there.

The next day the warden shows up at the guys house and ask if he can look around.

They tell him flat out NO you can't look around. The warden calls for back up tells everyone not to touch anything and calls the DA for a Warrant.
The back up gets there but no warrant. They tell the guys that they have a daylight only warrant on the way but the guy with the warrant gets lost or something and daylight is fading fast, so they search without it being served.

They ask the guys to open the safe and show them the gun that shot the buck. They tell them no. "I would hate to ruin your safe but we will get into it one way or another" they say. So they open the safe with about 30 guns in it, and the cops run ALL the numbers.

In the end they left all the guns except for 3 AR's. The guy I know built them from 80% lowers and used the same serial numbers on two BUT they are different models, with different model numbers, one is a .308. The cops said they were taking them because the serial numbers looked suspicious.

Anyway I came to this thread to get a link for the guys lawyer, and thought I would share.

So much for saying NO to a search.
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So after recommending you put a serial number on home built guns so you don't get in trouble, that's what just got a guy I knows AR's taken away!

This guys brother had a late season tag that he filled the last Saturday of the season. They quartered the buck up and let the meat age for a week before cutting it up. When they cut the buck up the guy I know takes a little meat home with him. Well he gets pulled over by a game warden (tail light) and the warden finds the meat. This guy tells the warden the whole story because it's the truth and the warden's not buying it. He accuses the guy of back dating the tag on a fresh kill. The warden takes the meat and the head to do DNA test. The guy I know knows it's the same deer so nothing to worry about there.

The next day the warden shows up at the guys house and ask if he can look around.

They tell him flat out NO you can't look around. The warden calls for back up tells everyone not to touch anything and calls the DA for a Warrant.
The back up gets there but no warrant. They tell the guys that they have a daylight only warrant on the way but the guy with the warrant gets lost or something and daylight is fading fast, so they search without it being served.

They ask the guys to open the safe and show them the gun that shot the buck. They tell them no. "I would hate to ruin your safe but we will get into it one way or another" they say. So they open the safe with about 30 guns in it, and the cops run ALL the numbers.

In the end they left all the guns except for 3 AR's. The guy I know built them from 80% lowers and used the same serial numbers on two BUT they are different models, with different model numbers, one is a .308. The cops said they were taking them because the serial numbers looked suspicious.

Anyway I came to this thread to get a link for the guys lawyer, and thought I would share.

So much for saying NO to a search.
At that point I would tell the cops to go pound, HaHa. In fact, I wouldn't even answer the door if I see cops or wardens.
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They said no to a search. Then...they opened the safe only after threat of violence...to the safe. I bet the threat of violence gets the guns back...unless someone lies in court.
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So what is the best way to put the numbers on your AK Receiver? Electro-pencil??
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If the UOC movement taught us anything it is to always have an audio recorder running when interacting with LEOs.
This will probably come down to "his word against mine."
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Im kinda lost im building a ak pistol from a parts kit and i have no intention of selling.

*do i have to put a seriel # and were it was made
*should i put a serial # and were it was made
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This is a complex area and lends itself to expensive litigation if certain situations occur...
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Considering a future 80% AR build, I'm inclined to include a date of completion.
If future prohibition occurs, the firearm will be marked as being completed during a legal period.

Appreciate any thoughts, feedback, comments.

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you could have added that any date in the future .Take a picture of it with today's newspaper.{or the date and time stamp on your computer, lower right corner}
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Thanks bplvr, good points. Even photos with old newspapers, etc. can be produced at later dates.

I can't think of any practical way to provide airtight documentation of a production date so I'm nixing the idea.

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I read the website on what is a zip gun, but im still confused what is a zip gun legaly? also im thinking about making that taruss 1911 80 percent. What things do i need to consider? can I make it full semi auto right away or do i need to make it a single shot then register it and then convert it?
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Thanks bplvr, good points. Even photos with old newspapers, etc. can be produced at later dates.

I can't think of any practical way to provide airtight documentation of a production date so I'm nixing the idea.
You could take a picture of the rifle with the newspaper yadda yadda put it in an envolpe and mail it to yourself would be sealed with postage date. Might work for you
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You could take a picture of the rifle with the newspaper yadda yadda put it in an envolpe and mail it to yourself would be sealed with postage date. Might work for you
Thank you, it might indeed.
Just a photo of the receiver including the ser. # and any other markings present, in a sealed, postmarked envelope I think would be sufficient.

I can't see how the inclusion of the newspaper yadda yadda could help to establish a date of completion. The receiver could have been completed before, on, or after the date of the newspaper (after- using an older newspaper).
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Thank you, it might indeed.
Just a photo of the receiver including the ser. # and any other markings present, in a sealed, postmarked envelope I think would be sufficient.

I can't see how the inclusion of the newspaper yadda yadda could help to establish a date of completion. The receiver could have been completed before, on, or after the date of the newspaper (after- using an older newspaper).
True. guess the buck would stop at the postage date. hopefully at least. sucks we even have to worry about it
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why do people think that a postmarked envelope means anything? what stops me from mailing an empty unsealed envelope to get a postmark cancellation on it and then saving the envelope to seal at a later date?
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Absolutely nothing. Some good minds here.
Turn the photo into a postcard then mail?

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Just shooting out ideas man screw it take a picture go to your banks notary
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Called post office they said if you sent it back empty the stamp would most Likely say "unsealed no contents" also said you could also send it to yourself certified to get written and computerized record in PO files
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If I have a homebuilt AK that i did a couple years ago and has had the serial number, place of manufacture, etc all engraved on it to spec...

Can I transfer that firearm to a parent (who is not prohibited from owning and who lives in California) without an FFL? I know the transfer can be done with an FFL, but in this case its an intrafamily transfer of a Rifle which does not normally need an FFL.
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They will soon pass a law changing anything creative we devise...
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They will soon pass a law changing anything creative we devise...
That would be good. Ever hear the story of the Brier Patch... I've already got evil thoughts...
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Sticky stuff...

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Ok, so I want to engrave on my flat?

TONMIN-2013/1387XXX

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The serial number is my maadi kit number in english
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Ok, so I want to engrave on my flat?

TONMIN-2013/1387XXX

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The serial number is my maadi kit number in english
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That will work
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First off, I have been considering building an AR from an 80% lower for about a year now. I am new to all this "Build a Bear" stuff, so please no flaming!

Since this is the thread for home builds, If I build an AR or AK must I add a bullet button to it to be legal in Cali?

Any other suggestions besides engraving a SN and manufacturing location, etc?
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First off, I have been considering building an AR from an 80% lower for about a year now. I am new to all this "Build a Bear" stuff, so please no flaming!

Since this is the thread for home builds, If I build an AR or AK must I add a bullet button to it to be legal in Cali?

Any other suggestions besides engraving a SN and manufacturing location, etc?
yes, current law states that you'll either have to add a bullet button or build in a featureless configuration(no pistol grip, flash hider, vertical foregrip or collapsible/folding stock) to keep the firearm California legal. Print out and double check the flowchart to be sure your rifle is compliant.
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If you are curious as to what is/isn't legal here in Cali google 922R...It will tell you everything you need to know.
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If you are curious as to what is/isn't legal here in Cali google 922R...It will tell you everything you need to know.
Seriously...and why does every thread seem to gravitate back to the "Law"?

Its pretty cut and dry. Theres enough FUD kicking around which leads to ridiculous things like welding suppressors and locking folding stocks in place.

I dare someone to find ONE instance of an AK builder(or even just a regular knuckle-dragging owner) getting busted for either of those.

And while you're googling, find proof that not heat treating a home bent flat leads to egged axis pin holes.

Go.

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Seriously...and why does every thread seem to gravitate back to the "Law"?

Its pretty cut and dry. Theres enough FUD kicking around which leads to ridiculous things like welding suppressors and locking folding stocks in place.

I dare someone to find ONE instance of an AK builder(or even just a regular knuckle-dragging owner) getting busted for either of those.

And while you're googling, find proof that not spot welding a home bent flat leads to egged axis pin holes.

Go.
Owning a rifle in an illegal configuration is just asking for trouble.

(this is starting to sound like a theme with you, "Forget the law, do what you want.", perhaps this had something to do with getting banned on another forum?)
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Read this thread through
Read a few other threads through
Did a lot of googling

Just want to make sure before I send this thing off to be engraved -

Make- can be anything I want
Model- not needed
Serial- can be anything I want as long as I don't duplicate one for another home build
Location - NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE (right??)
Caliber- MULTI is ok

Going to add a QR that reads my real name and last four of social with made in USA 2013... Seem ok?


Am i understanding everything correctly here?

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I'm not sure if anyone knows just what (at a minimum) you will need if registration comes about, but you would be safe with, Name (yours and a reconcilable abbreviation), city & state, Model, Caliber, and serial number.

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Read this thread through
Read a few other threads through
Did a lot of googling

Just want to make sure before I send this thing off to be engraved -

Make- can be anything I want
Model- not needed
Serial- can be anything I want as long as I don't duplicate one for another home build
Location - NEEDS TO BE ACCURATE (right??)
Caliber- MULTI is ok

Going to add a QR that reads my real name and last four of social with made in USA 2013... Seem ok?


Am i understanding everything correctly here?

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But as of now does all this seem ok?
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Old 10-11-2013, 10:27 AM
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As of now it's fine but why not add a model?
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