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Old 11-10-2012, 4:34 PM
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shouldn't FEMA/ National Guard have fuel trucks able to dispense gas & diesel direct to civilian vehicles in disasters were having power out shuts down gas stations, or were fire, flooding or earthquakes have put retail gas stations out of commission?

Just have some Jar-head give every car a free 5 gals with a hose from the military tanker truck.

Like the Red Cross passing out coffee and donuts, but different.



I can tell apt dwellers to stock some food and a lot of drinking water, but I don't think it is a good idea for every apt dweller to have 5 or 10 gallons of gasoline in the apt.
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Old 11-10-2012, 5:02 PM
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The National Guard has been passing out fuel for several days now.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/york-na...--finance.html

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New York National Guard personnel pump gas into a vehicle as up to ten gallons of free gas is given away in the Jamaica neighborhood of the Queens borough of New York, Saturday, Nov. 3, 2012, in the ...

The FEMA side of it? Well, that's not working out so well....

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11/...st-responders/

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NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — An exclusive investigation discovered city employees getting free gas — originally meant for first responders.

There were cars getting fueled up. A woman was spotted putting two gas cans into her trunk. There were long lines.

They seem like scenes from a typical gas station, right?

Well, not quite. They were taking place in the parking lot at the World’s Fair Marina on Friday.

It was a fueling station, not only for first responders and NYC vehicles, but also, it seems, for the personal vehicles of any city employee.

And the gas was free!

“It’s a great break for us,” FDNY administrator Maria Mercado said.


The gas is delivered by the Federal Emergency Management Agency in huge tanker trucks. Drivers roll up and an attendant immediately fills up the tank without ever taking a dime.

Hennessey: “You don’t have to pay for gas when others do and they’re paying sky-high prices. Do you think that’s fair?”

Mercado: “No, it’s not fair. It’s not fair.”

“There’s an approved list of city employees, contractors, engineers, nurses, doctors as well as police officers, firefighters that are able to get fuel at the city sites to make sure we can continue to carry out critical city operations,” NYC spokesman Marc Lavorgna said.

When asked how the list is being checked and or enforced, Lavorgna said, “I’ll check on that for you. I don’t know off the top of my head.”

The fact is, at the location CBS 2’s Hennessey visited there was no list. Drivers flashed city employee identification and were waved on through by police, employees like an FDNY administrator, Transit Authority employee Hector Avila and NYC special events coordinator Margaret Rosas.

But when even employees themselves chuckle when asked if this is fair, there’s something wrong.

“I don’t know,” NYC Parks engineer Magary Aime said with a laugh. “I don’t know.”
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Old 11-10-2012, 5:28 PM
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shouldn't FEMA/ National Guard have fuel trucks able to dispense gas & diesel direct to civilian vehicles in disasters were having power out shuts down gas stations, or were fire, flooding or earthquakes have put retail gas stations out of commission?
Sure, provided that the vehicles being fueled are being used in an evacuation scenario. To fuel a vehicle so the driver can get to work and avoid waiting in line elsewhere? I don't think so.
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Sure, provided that the vehicles being fueled are being used in an evacuation scenario. To fuel a vehicle so the driver can get to work and avoid waiting in line elsewhere? I don't think so.
Since some of those stations ran out of fuel before they got to the end of the line, I have no issue with "essential personnel" getting fueled up. I'd rather have doctors, nurses, firefighters, police, and the guysa fixing the subway at work working rather than waiting in line and then ultimately not being able to get to work when they're told that there's no fuel.
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Old 11-11-2012, 8:13 AM
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OK, essential personnel on official business. But how do you determine who is "essential"?

I could see it becoming widely abused.
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OK, essential personnel on official business. But how do you determine who is "essential"?

I could see it becoming widely abused.

Like ALL other free govmnt programs in existance.
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Why are you so amazed---another Govt handout---to the wrong people! The Govt is corrupt in soooooo many ways! The people on the "inside" get the goods---those who the fuel was intended for don't---business as usual...
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What's crazy are the laws that aim to prevent price gouging on motor vehicle fuel. In times of severely constrained supply, far better to let the price rise to dampen demand, then to force retailers to sell at a price far below what people are otherwise willing to pay. They should also ration what amount can be sold - to say, five gallons per person. No one would be happy, but many more would be able to get enough for essential mobility and generation. Further, higher prices would motivate outside suppliers to get in there with product.

There are no doubt many illicit entrepreneurs making tidy profits on re-sold gas back east right now.
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How do you guys like this?

cbs-2-investigation-nyc-employees-hoarding-free-gas-for-first-responders/
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