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11-08-2012, 10:41 AM
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training accident... Any info?
Just heard that there has been a tragic accident at a rifle class. Anyone have any info on this? My buddy won't disclose all the details.., ;(
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11-08-2012, 11:35 AM
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ADE? lol
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11-08-2012, 11:36 AM
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Wow...a Firearms instructor of mine opined that a ND hit with a long gun usually is fatal...so don't ND! Sad story...hoping to hear more about the circs.
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11-08-2012, 11:41 AM
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Couldn't be related to this could it?
http://www.cbs8.com/story/19948069/h...t-in-san-diego That would suck.
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11-08-2012, 12:13 PM
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Some friend. "Hey something bad happened to somebody. You might know them. But I'm not telling you any more." WTH?
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11-08-2012, 12:27 PM
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Maybe wait until you actually have information before posting?
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11-08-2012, 12:32 PM
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11-08-2012, 2:45 PM
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Wow, that link ^^^ makes the OT look like a British tea party
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11-08-2012, 2:48 PM
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This one? But it was not fatal though serious:
In light of what happened this past Sunday night. Due to assumptions and not taking all steps I could have taken that may have prevented the tragedy, my good friend and amazing human being Gene Smithson was severely injured during a live fire training. Gene is in the hospital in Dallas recovering from his injuries. All I ask for is for your prayers and support for Gene during this trying time and then during lenghty recovery process. All responsibility for what happened lies with me and nobody else. I will do my best to support Gene and his loved ones, his school for as long as needed. Sonny Puzikas You can help here
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11-08-2012, 5:44 PM
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@sarcoblaster and billorights.. It's called a NDA so my friend could not telle the specifics ... I posted because I was concerned and curious as to what happened and hoped the trainer shot was ok.
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11-08-2012, 5:53 PM
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11-08-2012, 10:02 PM
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It happened during a shoot house portion, Gene and a student was doing an AAR after a run in the house. Sonny Puzikas enters first room engages targets (no lights). Gene and student did not positively ID their presence in the second room, Sonny goes into room two, engages target with failure drill with Gene standing in front of that target and the student nearby. Two to abdomen, one to the arm. Sonny shooting under no light at a target he previously set up. But the problem compounded when Sonny did not account for all people in the class, the people in the shoot house upon hearing the shots, did not ID their presence, and shooting in low light with out a light to ID target.......sigh
It's not fatal but is serious...... Sonny owe up to the mistake and I am glad at least it wasn't a 5.45 it 7.62... Never met Gene, but hope he have a speedy recovery....
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11-08-2012, 10:34 PM
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The important thing is the AI will recover.
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11-08-2012, 10:52 PM
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11-09-2012, 6:58 AM
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I wear armor in all classes I attend, both pistol and/or rifle.
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11-09-2012, 7:18 AM
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If anything the big lesson here is to not train with instructors who are not qualified to teach such a high level course.
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11-09-2012, 7:18 AM
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This is a good reminder to be observant of others actions and educate them on safety when needed. Of course when it comes to advanced shooters, it's more complacency than it is lack of education.
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11-09-2012, 8:32 AM
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Good thing he wasn't better at that failure drill and didn't make a head shot, hope he gets better. I've done courses with a shoot house, it was done with simunitions though. I've also done a live fire shoot house with folks who probably shouldn't have been doing a shoot house.
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11-09-2012, 9:29 AM
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SMGLee Rocks! Thanks for the info.
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#31
11-09-2012, 5:36 PM
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edited title to remove the word fatal.
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11-10-2012, 5:10 AM
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@badicedog
Although I do not agree that students should wear armor this seems like a good idea after the fact. A better idea would be to follow the four basic firearm safety rules (#4 comes to mind) and to account for all your students before running a COF.
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11-10-2012, 12:25 PM
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@ CorbinDallas... All reputable instructors would not accept students that do not have advanced firearms training under their belts for an advanced class like this(CQB/room clearing). Further, they will also require that students not only have Armor vests/carriers, also blow out kits(clotting agents/tourniquet). The idiot at hand failed to follow the safety measures/guidelines set forth as to minimize these type of accidents from occurring in the first place...
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11-10-2012, 9:20 PM
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this is clearly a case of people being too comfortable at the range and getting lazy about clearing and counting everyone before each run.
two rifle rounds to the stomache is a serious injury. hopefully the rounds missed his liver and kidneys and he has enough intestines left that hes gonna be able to digest his food properly after he heals up.
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Last edited by Bobby Hated; 11-10-2012 at 9:31 PM..
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11-11-2012, 5:54 AM
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11-11-2012, 7:14 AM
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More here... http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/138...oothouse_.html
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11-12-2012, 7:09 AM
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The good news is, he won't be doing this active shooter class next year. Or if he is, he won't have many students.
https://www.facebook.com/events/509236312439004/
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11-12-2012, 12:02 PM
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Not going to cast judgement on Sonny P but from what I understand he has no experience nor should be teaching any CQB techniques. Also I've heard he only took a CQB course from another trainer and after the course completion decided to incorporate to his course. It is like taking a martial arts seminar then after the course decide to charge people and train them as an expert. Bad JuJu right there.
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