Range story aka Blew up my guns 3 times then the shop keep gave me grief for a mag

[ewarmour]

The range is a happy place. You know, like this:


Alas, 'twas not so happy for me today.

Today was the end of my 10 day "cool down" period so I went to Discount Gun Mart in Santee to pick up and shoot the Glock Gen4 I had been waiting for.

As an aside, 10 days ago while on my way home from Discount I spun out on the freeway and slid my truck in to a ditch - $2200 worth or bent axles, tie rods and rims. D'oh!

Anyhow, I couldn't do the paper work because it wasn't 10:47am exactly so I paid for a lane grabbed my Glock and got to shooting. I brought several handguns including a .357 that was shooting high right. I started with that one and got it dialed in so all good there.

I loaded some Glock mags and put 15 down range. I popped in the second mag and round 13 went BLAM! The cartridge case ruptured and blew the mag out of the new Glock burning my off hand thumb. I stood there for a second thought about what happened and why, checked out my fingers, popped the mag back in and fired the last two rounds. At least I didn't drop my gun and scream like a girl. LOL



You see, back when I was broke, 10-15 years ago I bought 1000 rounds of reloads at the Crossroads gun show. I don't remember having any problems with those reloads but as I shot them and emptied the green ammo can I would top off the can with factory new ammo.

Well today I was scraping the bottom of the can but didn't realize that there were 15 year old reloads in the bottom of it.

I was thinking okay, it was a fluke. A one time thing.

Another magful and another BLAM! Case rupture. WTF? So now I'm thinking my new Glock has a problem.


So I set it down and load up the Beretta 92fs. I'm banging away at the paper maybe 100 rounds in and BLAM! Another case rupture, this one knocking the trigger bar out of the trigger. Beretta 92fs is no good to go. This was the big clue I was apparently waiting for, so I began checking my ammo and realized there were several different head stamps of brands/types of ammo I've never purchased. Then it all came back to me. Ammo can marked 9mm, reloads all those years ago, etc...


I figured I'd quit while I was ahead so I cleaned up my brass and dumped the remaining 25-50 or so rounds in the brass bucket.



Bad ammo:


Good ammo:



I went to the shop keep and told him I was done and lets get the paper work finished so I can get outta dodge.

I signed and then he wants me to show him I can load, unload and lock the pistol up. Whatever. I do the drill and he notices my 15+2 Glock 19 mag.

"Are you LE?"

"No"

"This is a FELONY"

"Bull****. I've had that mag since '98"

"Can you prove it?"

I can't but I pause for just a second, and think about this question - do I want to continue on with this idiot or get on my way? Besides who the hell keeps a receipt from some random booth at the Crossroads of the West gun show in Del Mar for 14 years?

"Yes I can"

"Oh well you'd better be able to cause you'll have to prove it when you get a ticket. Most cop will give you a ticket cause most guys go over to Arizona to buy hicaps"

I know I should just keep my mouth shut, but I can't.

"I don't have to prove ****, I'm innocent until I'm proven guilty"

I'm getting heated at this point. This is not the way it should be. Why am I assumed a criminal? Oh, right, I live in California.

I manage to bite my tongue and get out of the shop. With the gun lock installed on the gun. The gun must have a gun lock installed when it first leaves the store. This is required by state law.

I know it's not the shop keepers fault, although he could be a little more up to speed on the laws dealing with his chosen profession. On second thought...

Anyhow I'm moving my happy *** to Idaho next year.

TLDR;
Blew up my guns 3 times then the shop keep gave me grief for a legal hi-cap.

[Mickey D]

Damn Glocks.

[keenkeen]

Seeing as this thread has a Adam Sandler theme...


"What you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

[AE102]

You should bring a 33 round mag next time hahaha

[pc_load_letter]

That's why I love P2k. You could have one of those new 60 round surefire mags and the staff won't give a damn much less even say anything to you.

The only time I've seen an employee bat an eye was when some fool was shooting dual handed gangster style. He just looked through the window and shook his head.

Sorry about your ammo but congrats on the move to Idaho!

[joker70]

[Ubermcoupe]

I got you Keenkeen:

Originally Posted by keenkeen

Seeing as this thread has a Adam Sandler theme...


"What you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

OP: I’m glad you weren’t hurt, time to pull the bullets and reload the brass

[dieselpower]

Originally Posted by ewarmour

The range is a happy place. You know, like this:


Alas, 'twas not so happy for me today.

Today was the end of my 10 day "cool down" period so I went to Discount Gun Mart in Santee to pick up and shoot the Glock Gen4 I had been waiting for.

As an aside, 10 days ago while on my way home from Discount I spun out on the freeway and slid my truck in to a ditch - $2200 worth or bent axles, tie rods and rims. D'oh!

Anyhow, I couldn't do the paper work because it wasn't 10:47am exactly so I paid for a lane grabbed my Glock and got to shooting. I brought several handguns including a .357 that was shooting high right. I started with that one and got it dialed in so all good there.

I loaded some Glock mags and put 15 down range. I popped in the second mag and round 13 went BLAM! The cartridge case ruptured and blew the mag out of the new Glock burning my off hand thumb. I stood there for a second thought about what happened and why, checked out my fingers, popped the mag back in and fired the last two rounds. At least I didn't drop my gun and scream like a girl. LOL



You see, back when I was broke, 10-15 years ago I bought 1000 rounds of reloads at the Crossroads gun show. I don't remember having any problems with those reloads but as I shot them and emptied the green ammo can I would top off the can with factory new ammo.

Well today I was scraping the bottom of the can but didn't realize that there were 15 year old reloads in the bottom of it.

I was thinking okay, it was a fluke. A one time thing.

Another magful and another BLAM! Case rupture. WTF? So now I'm thinking my new Glock has a problem.


So I set it down and load up the Beretta 92fs. I'm banging away at the paper maybe 100 rounds in and BLAM! Another case rupture, this one knocking the trigger bar out of the trigger. Beretta 92fs is no good to go. This was the big clue I was apparently waiting for, so I began checking my ammo and realized there were several different head stamps of brands/types of ammo I've never purchased. Then it all came back to me. Ammo can marked 9mm, reloads all those years ago, etc...


I figured I'd quit while I was ahead so I cleaned up my brass and dumped the remaining 25-50 or so rounds in the brass bucket.



Bad ammo:


Good ammo:



I went to the shop keep and told him I was done and lets get the paper work finished so I can get outta dodge.

I signed and then he wants me to show him I can load, unload and lock the pistol up. Whatever. I do the drill and he notices my 15+2 Glock 19 mag.

"Are you LE?"

"No"

"This is a FELONY"

"Bull****. I've had that mag since '98"

"Can you prove it?"

I can't but I pause for just a second, and think about this question - do I want to continue on with this idiot or get on my way? Besides who the hell keeps a receipt from some random booth at the Crossroads of the West gun show in Del Mar for 14 years?

"Yes I can"

"Oh well you'd better be able to cause you'll have to prove it when you get a ticket. Most cop will give you a ticket cause most guys go over to Arizona to buy hicaps"

I know I should just keep my mouth shut, but I can't.

"I don't have to prove ****, I'm innocent until I'm proven guilty"

I'm getting heated at this point. This is not the way it should be. Why am I assumed a criminal? Oh, right, I live in California.

I manage to bite my tongue and get out of the shop. With the gun lock installed on the gun. The gun must have a gun lock installed when it first leaves the store. This is required by state law.

I know it's not the shop keepers fault, although he could be a little more up to speed on the laws dealing with his chosen profession. On second thought...

Anyhow I'm moving my happy *** to Idaho next year.

TLDR;
Blew up my guns 3 times then the shop keep gave me grief for a legal hi-cap.

The second you step out of the gun store, the firearm must be in a locked container...unless you can show me the current law has an exception when driving back from a gun store...

[ewarmour]

Originally Posted by dieselpower

The second you step out of the gun store, the firearm must be in a locked container...unless you can show me the current law has an exception when driving back from a gun store...

I had a locking container for the gun - the gun store guy said I MUST have the gun lock installed on the gun, locked container or not.

[RoundEye]

Glad you wern't hurt either of the three times.

I had the samething (only once) happen to me last weekend with a G30SF except when it blew the magazine out it broke the magazine release and shot it into th palm of my hand. I didn't scream like a girl, but I dropped the pistol and used profanity immediately after.

[scout II]

Glad you were alright.I saw the same exact thing happen to buddy of mine.He was shooting his 9mm model 17 Glock and we heard a funny poof kind of noise then saw smoke coming out from under the gun.And then noticed the mag came out.So we loaded another mag and about 10 rounds later the same thing.This time we looked for the brass and it was just like yours.Blown out the bottom where the barrel does not support the case.We looked in the ammo can to find this was ammo from Load-X bought at the Cow Palace gun show back in 1996.So I wonder if that is the same ammo you had?I no longer buy from Load-X.

[mosinnagantm9130]

The first case head failure should've been your clue not to keep shooting that ammo.

That guy at the range sounds like a douche.

[d4v0s]

Is it just hotter loaded ammo with an unsupported chamber?

[Sheldon]

It's odd the primers show no sign of overpressure. I have to wonder if the brass is not the issue versus a powder overcharge. Maybe reloaded glocked brass that was already fractured and could not hold the pressures of a normal charge anymore?

[Neptune]

I love it when they say that they have to escort me to the front door with the gun locked in a case.

Why?

Because it's for your safety, and because it's not safe to have a loaded gun in the store.

You allow Concealed Carry in your store right?

Oh, sure...

And you remember that my second form of I.D. was a Cal DOJ Approved CCW License right?... So, do you think it's still really necessary to walk me to the door with that gun in a locked case?...

They always look surprised when they do the math on that one...




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[morfeeis]

i made up my mind today after hearing yet another person say something stupid and wrong that i'm going to start calling people on their BS. It might not make life easier, but it'll damn sure feel better.

[ewarmour]

Originally Posted by Sheldon

It's odd the primers show no sign of overpressure. I have to wonder if the brass is not the issue versus a powder overcharge. Maybe reloaded glocked brass that was already fractured and could not hold the pressures of a normal charge anymore?

^ This is what I'm thinking. I should have inspected the last of it before I tossed it.

I'm not sure who I bought that ammo from, it was a long time ago.

As for calling people on their bull****, it takes much less time to nod and smile.

I asked a gunsmith at the El Cajon Gun Exchange for a standard AR mag release and he told me "Those are illegal in CA". So I bit my tongue and walked out... gave myself an eye twitch not calling ulbay itshea on that one.

[goodlookin1]

Originally Posted by ewarmour

"I don't have to prove ****, I'm innocent until I'm proven guilty"

I wouldnt have used that line.....I just wouldnt have said anything if you didnt want to get into it. But if you felt the need to say something, then you should have said, "The law is that the burden of proof falls on the LEO to show I acquired this illegally, not on me to prove that it is NOT illegal".

Anyway, glad you're not hurt. But that should teach you a lesson on buying no-name, likely uninsured reloads! Could have been much worse....

[21SF]

Originally Posted by keenkeen

"What you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Sig line!!!!

[Beelzy]

Originally Posted by morfeeis

i made up my mind today after hearing yet another person say something stupid and wrong that i'm going to start calling people on their BS. It might not make life easier, but it'll damn sure feel better.

LOL!...I started doing this as my New Year's resolution a few years ago......and it DOES make life easier, trust me.

As for the OP: That'll learn ya.....Glad you didn't wind up with a pistol slide in your face.

[the86d]

Anyone had this happen on a M9, or 92FS?

Do Glocks encase the entire cartridge except for the rim, as every time I scoop-up brass after a Glock owner shoots it appears the back of the cartridge is expanded more than my M9 lets it, same with my lady's SR-9?

N/Mind, found it: http://skurj.blogspot.com/2012_09_01_archive.html

[ewarmour]

Originally Posted by the86d

Anyone had this happen on a M9, or 92FS?

Yea me. 92fs same day.

[NSR500]

CSB

[Fishslayer]

Originally Posted by the86d

Anyone had this happen on a M9, or 92FS?

Do Glocks encase the entire cartridge except for the rim, as every time I scoop-up brass after a Glock owner shoots it appears the back of the cartridge is expanded more than my M9 lets it, same with my lady's SR-9?

I don't believe it's only Glocks. I get some odd brass in policing mine. Generally the square dent is a Glock but I'm not really up on what looks like what. Some of the brass I pick up is pretty shocking. I've seen .45ACP that are barrel shaped, 9mm & 10mm Kurz with pronounced bellies. Not all of them had square striker marks.

[otteray]

Originally Posted by ewarmour

Bad ammo:



Blew up my guns 3 times then the shop keep gave me grief for a legal hi-cap.

Curious, can you show a side by side pic of a factory fired case's firing pin dent vs the failed round's indentation?

[TKM]

Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. Three times, it's enemy action.

Why the blankety blank blank did you keep on keepin' on?

Let us know if you ever get into reloading.

[MrPlutonium]

Nuff said.

[skosh69]

Originally Posted by keenkeen

Seeing as this thread has a Adam Sandler theme...


"What you've just posted is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

Buwahahahahahahaha

"I thought Glocks were the most reliable, indestructable pistols on earth?"

[postal]

This is what I thought was funny.....

3 kabooms! ..then....
"I figured I'd quit while I was ahead.....

Sorry OP, but 3 times, then quitting, isnt really being ahead....

Glad you didnt get hurt though.