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Old 10-26-2012, 5:41 PM
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i'm 2 months into the worst "purchase" i've ever had.

they say you get what you pay for but some times you don't even get that.

we have all seen the PSA sales and that stats look good but think twice before you "save a buck".

well here is my issue with PSA...





i know it's kind of hard to follow but bare with me i'm posting on rage.

you guys are saints and it's my fault im not happy with a rusted out upper.

i guess i should pay for shipping because you sent me a rusted out POS. i paid for a new upper. i should have recieved a new upper. i gave you guys a chance to exchange it as you agreed to in your PMs and you send me back the same rusted out POS stating it's not rust and you cleaned it out in 2 minutes. you have not offered to refund my money as i have asked now more than once and you stated you have in your edit below from another post.

please send me a prepaid label and i will be happy to send it back for a refund. i'm not going to pay money to be defrauded.

after 2 attempts it's obvious you have no intention of fixing your mistakes. again please send me a ups label and refund my money.

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"Edit by PSA: Wow, just Wow. Thank you for your input. We paid shipping for you to send us back the upper, and then shipped it back to you on our dime. It was inspected when it arrived, found to have packing oil in the extension and barrel, which took less than two minutes to wipe clean, and it was standing tall when it left. We have offered to refund you the full purchase price of the upper if you send it back.

I don't know what else we can do to make you happy, so we will leave it there."

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"If your upper is found to be defective it will be replaced. It should not take more than a day once it gets here to inspect send out your replacement."

10/18
"All it needs is final inspection from the head of the rifle division which will not take long at all."


i have worked on the pipe side of the oil refinery biz for years. i know rust when i see it and even though i'm no photog the pics show it as well.

you cleaned nothing out. there are large spots of rust. even if it was "packing oil" and it is not you lied about cleaning it out anyway.
here you can see where they tried to remove the rust.

here is when i first got it.


here are a couple more pics of the rust PSA said they cleaned out. they say it's packing oil and not rust and they also have already cleaned it out so it's not really there.





please send me a ups label and refund my money.


please send me a ups label and refund my money.


please send me a ups label and refund my money.






here are links to the back story
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_301/2...r_issues_.html

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_301/2...attention.html
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Wow, just shoot the thing man. This is such a non issue its not even funny.

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I work in the pipe trade too. If that's not rust then they need glasses
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Non issue? Why should he have to deal with rust? He didn't pay for the rust. He paid for a quality upper.
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If you think PSA is bad, look at the dangers of di-hydrogen monoxide.
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What do you want them to do? they offered you a full refund, what else is there?
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Ummm, I see nothing wrong with it. Seriously, shoot it and be happy.
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Wow, just shoot the thing man. This is such a non issue its not even funny.

I remember my first rifle.

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rusting barrel extention is a non issue?

that is where the bolt lugs keep the action locked...


it's not my first or even my 15th ar15...
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I'm going to agree that there is the color of rust on the upper, but after reading the rant I expected the kind of rust you saw on that old 1957 Plymouth buried as a time capsule for 50 years... use wolf ammo and after 5 rounds you wont see the rust anyways!
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What do you want them to do? they offered you a full refund, what else is there?
they have not offered me a refund...i found that edit in a post. they didn't reply to my PM or email...

i would be happy to get a refund like i have asked for for a month now.

if you can't tell PSA lies often.
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i paid for a NEW upper. i should not have to settle for a rusted upper.



really you guys would be ok with ordering a new part and getting a rusted part?
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Wow, you are picky.

These are inexpensive rifles, they are not competition rifles. A tiny spot of what MIGHT be rust is NOT that big of a deal, even in the bolt lugs! Did you TRY to clean it out? And who's to say that the rust didn't happen somehow during shipping?


Listen, if you want people to pander to you, buy a flipping LWRC.
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Shoot it, the 'rust' will get covered with carbon very soon.

You would be better off with an AK.
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What are you going to get is PSA gives your money back
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If you think PSA is bad, look at the dangers of di-hydrogen monoxide.
aww...am I the only one that thought this was funny?

Anyway, just suck it up, pay for shipping and get your money back.

I'm sure they have a return policy, even for things that are defective. Have you read it? before the purchase. Not saying PSA is right, just saying if you want your money back.........
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Since PSA is a vendor here, don't they have their own thread, where this flame post correctly belongs, at best?

If the OP would have just asked: "How do I get rid of this rust [from this stainless steel M4 extension]?". A half a dozen hobby and pro gunsmiths would have likely made some good suggestions, but now, I feel more for the vendor than for the OP.
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Shoot it, the 'rust' will get covered with carbon very soon.

You would be better off with an AK.
have plenty of them too.



i did try to clean it and so did PSA. they even removed the barrel and could not get it out.

the rust will not just stop growing and it will ruin the barrel.

if it's no big deal any of you are welcome to save yourselves the month long wait it and buy it for the same $299.95 i paid for. hammer forged LW barrel. ftf north oc or plus shipping. i'm guessing no takers right?
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another bcm,lmt,or spikes like i should have in the first place.
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I love it when people defend a product simply because it was cheap - or when it's "bound to get dirty anyway"

The man paid for a new product, it should arrive in new condition. There are some things like minor finish blemishes, etc., but rust is not really acceptable in a new rifle.

In contrast, my cheap budget M&P15 Sport came with no rust at all.
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Since PSA is a vendor here, don't they have their own thread, where this flame post correctly belongs, at best?
vendors have mod rights in their vendor forum so if you post there, they can edit your posts. Since the OP already had PSA mod his posts on AR15.com, I don't blame him for not wanting to create a "Beware of" post in the forum where the vendor in question can mod that post.
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They'll prob charge you their 10% restocking fee. They were good a couple years ago but I've given up on them. There are too many other great dealers such as midwayusa, even the service from botach has been good lately.
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I love it when people defend a product simply because it was cheap - or when it's "bound to get dirty anyway"

The man paid for a new product, it should arrive in new condition. There are some things like minor finish blemishes, etc., but rust is not really acceptable in a new rifle.

In contrast, my cheap budget M&P15 Sport came with no rust at all.
+1, I would be pissed too if I ordered a NEW upper and it arrived like that.
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This thread has been very useful to me. I've crossed PSA off my list of valid vendors.
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aww...am I the only one that thought this was funny?
Nope, its serious stuff, I hear a lot of deaths are attributed to it as well.
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My thought is that that "rust" will NOT affect the functionality of your rifle one bit and will not affect the aesthetics because of the location. Gun are made of metal, and metal wants to corrode. I bet if you took a chamber brush with some solvent and or Kroil to that chamber it would look like new. I think OP you are being hypersensitive to this issue.
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I cant beleive people on here would be ok with purchasing a rusty product if its not supposed to be
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My thought is that that "rust" will NOT affect the functionality of your rifle one bit and will not affect the aesthetics because of the location. Gun are made of metal, and metal wants to corrode. I bet if you took a chamber brush with some solvent and or Kroil to that chamber it would look like new. I think OP you are being hypersensitive to this issue.
I have high standards as well so I can't judge.

I think good customer service is gone in many of the gun related businesses. This is why I'm supporting the op. They are not even replying to his emails. That's what sucks!
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I'm amazed at all the people saying this guy is whining... maybe 300 bucks is a drop in the hat for some of the people here, but I'm father of 4 boys... if I drop any kind of money on a hobby it has to be the best there is at a price I can afford of course... 300 bucks, he should have a new item arrive, not a scratched up, rusted up piece of hardware... I read all the AR15.com posts as well... Super crazy... Then to mix your email up and attempt to tell you off was the best part of it all.... If its not a big deal, then I guess someone here will step up and buy that barrel from him then... after all, he tried to clean it and so did psa... so I guess they both can't clean guns and the new owner can show them how its done... anyways, I really hope this works out for you brother. I would be hot as well over this... thats a lot of money, even if it was a 20 buck part... if its sold as new it should be new....
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Google makes me think this is not uncommon. I can't determine if the tube is stainless or not, but stainless or not rust can take hold. I'd q tip it with some good synthetic motor oil and clean it out in 2 days.

If I were PSA I'd give you your money back and black list you.
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I'm amazed at all the people saying this guy is whining... maybe 300 bucks is a drop in the hat for some of the people here, but I'm father of 4 boys... if I drop any kind of money on a hobby it has to be the best there is at a price I can afford of course... 300 bucks, he should have a new item arrive, not a scratched up, rusted up piece of hardware... I read all the AR15.com posts as well... Super crazy... Then to mix your email up and attempt to tell you off was the best part of it all.... If its not a big deal, then I guess someone here will step up and buy that barrel from him then... after all, he tried to clean it and so did psa... so I guess they both can't clean guns and the new owner can show them how its done... anyways, I really hope this works out for you brother. I would be hot as well over this... thats a lot of money, even if it was a 20 buck part... if its sold as new it should be new....
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Honestly man, that could have happened in in the span of a couple hours if the package was left somewhere damp. I'd hardly blame PSA for it, especially considering they have tons and tons of folks happy with their gear. They offered you a refund, which is about the best service you can ask for.

Otherwise put oil on a toothbrush and scrub it for 30 seconds and it's "fixed".
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Just try and clean it out first. Some oils do have a yellow brownish color... See if it comes out.
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I don't know how you guys find rust to be acceptable?


Maybe you're all missing the point that the rust is on one the most critical points on the rifle.
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Dude, put on your big boy pants and go shoot it. You're acting like its a show piece.
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I had brown stuff like that in one and it went away with use. 300 for a complete upper, upper w/o BCG, barrel, what? Mid gas or carbine? PM me.
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You know what I learned about this thread? The majority of people here don't know dick about the AR platform. If you think that is bad and will ruin your rifle, then you are completely wrong.

You should see how a rifle looks after running a case of ammo through it in the rain and letting it sit overnight. Lmao

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Otherwise put oil on a toothbrush and scrub it for 30 seconds and it's "fixed".
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they have not offered me a refund.

i have never recieved an email or PM saying they will refund my money. i have asked them plenty of times for that.
i have seen it in a post from them but they will not reply to me. i caught them in several lies and i don't trust them anymore.



i have tried to clean it.

i opened the box both times within 10 minutes from ups guy hand over the box. it was not left anywhere damp on my end.
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I had brown stuff like that in one and it went away with use. 300 for a complete upper, upper w/o BCG, barrel, what? Mid gas or carbine? PM me.
$299.95 upper no BCG hammer forged mid gas lighter profile barrel.
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Seriously man, calm down. I got a brand new BCM 16" light weight middy today and the barrel extension has a bit of rust in it and on the feed ramps.

It is a non issue, clean and shoot.

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