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Old 10-08-2012, 2:01 AM
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I'm getting ready to rectify one of the biggest mistakes I ever made as a gun owner and buy a replacement for the 92FS I stupidly sold 6 months ago. I have been doing some looking around in my area and a good clean(no scratches or wear) 92FS seems to go for $500-$550 with a few magazines. I am also seeing a much higher quantity of Taurus PT92s for sale at a considerably lower price point, comparable condition guns selling for $100-150 less than the Beretta.

I know the PT92 is a clone of the 92FS and has the older style frame mounted safety which doesn't matter to me one way or the other, I do like the frame mounted safety a bit more because its easier for me to click off than the ones on the slide and I don't worry about catching it while racking the slide either.

I have heard the argument of the PT92 vs 92FS several times, sounds like Glock vs 1911 debates. Is there anyone that has owned and shot both that can give me their insight into which one is the better overall gun. I have heard from both sides that their's is more reliable, accurate, better trigger, etc. The price isn't a huge factor for me since the difference in base price of the gun will probably be made up in the cost of magazines...finding 17rd mags for the Beretta @ $17 and the ones I found for the Taurus are priced @ $29. So I wouldn't save much on the Taurus after buying 4-6 additional magazines.

I would just rent and shoot a PT92, but the range I go to just doesn't have one...so I must rely on the opinions of those more informed than I.
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Old 10-08-2012, 3:02 AM
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i personally have shot both researched both and like both but the beretta is the superior of the two and it reflects in their price...the craftsmanship and precision is better in the beretta you can actually tell by holding and looking at them side by side...the fit and finish is also miles apart beretta inox is amazing In comparison to the taurus stainless which shows scratches and wear really easily...the original beretta made In italy really has the better build quality...however with that said taurus offers a few things that beretta doesn't like the lifetime warranty and the frame mounted safety.. which is appealing to a lot of people. its personal choice really and also beretta may be more expensive but it does hold its resale better imo get which one you like I've seen both be very reliable and accurate


and one more thing if aesthetics matter the taurus made today for some reason all have rails which don't fit the guns design well imo especially the stainless finish the older non rail models are much better looking and on top of that taurus plasters its name in huge ugly letters on the slide good gun tho
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I believe that Beretta 92 mags can be made to fit in the Taurus with just a little modification. I'll have to ask my brother in law as he has done it many times.
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I have owned the Taurus and 2 Berettas 92 and I can tell you there is a difference in quality , I would buy another Beretta in a heartbeat as a matter of fact I have to buy another one as for the one I did have my youngest daughter wanted it and it was stolen from her house , so now I need to replace it.
It just feels alot smoother to me and I felt alot more confident with it than the Taurus and it was more accuate for me.
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Old 10-08-2012, 6:43 AM
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I owned both pistols at the same time.

The Taurus is the better gun. (dons Nomex fire resistant suit)

Here's why. One, its got a lifetime warranty which follows the weapon.Not that you're likely to need it as my PT99 was clockwork reliable, but should something fail Taurus will rectify it even if you bought the gun secondhand . Beretta's warranty by comparison is comedy-ive called Beretta USA for warranty issues on a different pistol and got told to piss off, in so many words. As such a buyer of a Beretta 92 today has effectively no factory support, and should expect to address broken parts themselves as necessary.

Two, the PT92's come with metal parts from the factory. Stainless guide rod, metal trigger and safety, and metal internals. It makes for a heavier gun than the Beretta, but neither pistol can be said to be small anyway. By comparison a new Beretta uses a polymer coated trigger and safety switch, with a plastic guiderod. If you buy a stainless Taurus, the gun's one color. A stainless "inox" Beretta today is a two tone gun with silver frame and slide, & polymer coated parts. The user must determine how much this matters, but note there IS a difference in feel between the polymer coated and standard metal Beretta trigger. On the newer guns the polymer gives the trigger a feel similar to a PX4 storm's-you get the sense of shooting a very heavy poly frame DA/SA gun.

In comparison the PT92's trigger feels like one which belongs on an honest metal handgun.

The last advantage:fire control units. The Beretta can be carried any way you want, as long as the hammer's down. Someone used to shooting a Glock or 1911 trigger is in for a lot of range time to adapt to the heavy DA/SA pull.The PT92 can be decocked & carried hammer down or with the hammer back and safety on, cocked n' locked.

When I bought my first 1911 I used my Taurus as a stand in on account of the cheaper ammo, and it's a great training tool of you want to get used to the "cocked and locked" setup without spending a mint on .45 ACP ammo. Don't buy into the hype that the gun's somehow unsafe to carry that way because the "safety comes off too easily", as I toted my heavy PT92 around for a year as my carry weapon in Condition 1.

I went to a house party last year with the thing and after a night of dancing and partying my Taurus was soaked with sweat......but the safety was still engaged!

In terms of accuracy, perhaps Rob Leatham might find a difference but I certainly didn't.In my estimation as an owner of both at one time, if the guns were equally priced I'd say its a wash-but the Taurus is a good $100 cheaper then the Italian gun, which makes this a no-brainer choice from my perch.

Get the Taurus, and let the fanboys continue their illogical rants about build quality and anecdotal stories about guns they've never owned.
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I bought a Taurus PT92F when they first came out in the mid 80's.
Love it and would trust my life to it.
They were a differant animal back then when they were made in Brazil
on Beretta equipment.
Today they are made in the USA I believe. -g
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In 1980, after Italian arms manufacturer Beretta had completed its contracts to produce firearms for Brazil's military, Taurus purchased Beretta's São Paulo manufacturing plant along with the tooling, technical drawings, and work force necessary to produce several different pistol designs.
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I bought a Taurus PT92F when they first came out in the mid 80's.
Love it and would trust my life to it.
They were a differant animal back then when they were made in Brazil
on Beretta equipment.
Today they are made in the USA I believe. -g
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In 1980, after Italian arms manufacturer Beretta had completed its contracts to produce firearms for Brazil's military, Taurus purchased Beretta's São Paulo manufacturing plant along with the tooling, technical drawings, and work force necessary to produce several different pistol designs.
The only guns made by Taurus in Miami are their pocket pistol lineup. Everything else is still made in Brazil and imported to the US.
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I bought a Taurus PT92F when they first came out in the mid 80's.
Love it and would trust my life to it.
They were a differant animal back then when they were made in Brazil
on Beretta equipment.
Today they are made in the USA I believe. -g
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In 1980, after Italian arms manufacturer Beretta had completed its contracts to produce firearms for Brazil's military, Taurus purchased Beretta's São Paulo manufacturing plant along with the tooling, technical drawings, and work force necessary to produce several different pistol designs.


25 years now I have had my "Brazillian Beretta" PT99 and it is still my home defense weapon. No problems. Buying new these days I could afford a Beretta, back then the Taurus was a smart budget choice and I also love having an 18 round magazine.


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Truthfully, I shot both at the same time, and shot better with the Taurus. I say try them both and make up your own mind. Don't listen to the fanboys.
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I have a 20 year old pt92 that is great. I replaced the parts over the years with mainly Italian beretta stuff. Barrel trigger and so forth. With the money saved I got about 1k rounds of ammo
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I am a major CZ fanboi and have never said this before:

Try a CZ first, if you haven't. If you have, try again. Other than the sexy Italian looks, my personal test went to the Czech, who, btw, have better looking women.

I like Taurus revolvers a lot, and don't know anything about their semi autos. I hate semis that are even 1% glichy, like Kahrs.

I have had Berettas apart and, imo they are convoluted mechanisms. Ergos and "style" can overcome that of course.
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Old 10-08-2012, 8:59 AM
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I second the CZ, but they are pricey. Just bought one and I like the grip way better than the 92. Although I love my Taurus revolver.
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Either, I went through the same decision a year or so ago. I ended up with an M&P.

I like the Taurus because you can use it SA like 1911 and the grip is a tad smaller than the Beretta but the quality is better on the Beretta, IMO. Both are reliable and neat guns.

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I've shot both on several occasions (not side by side) did not feel a difference..

I'd made the decision on strictly resale value if you think that will eve come up and beretta has a way wider resale value than Taurus. Other than that they are both decent guns.
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I have both and still own both.

Just to add that most of parts are not interchangeable. At lease it's not drop in. Beside the obvious finish different. Taurus usually has a bit more tool marks, heavier trigger (just a tap). The different cost in mag can be over come by buying Mec Gar. Which last time I bought them they were the same price ($25ish). And I much rather pay $25 for a Mec Gar mag than $19 for a checkermate mag.

You will find more grip option on Beretta than Taurus.





My Beretta is a Vertec model. So it has straight back drop. Which make the grip felt a bit thinner.
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I am a Beretta fanboy so I prefer the Beretta, most esp. the US made ones. I like the fact that it is the US military handgun, widely available with more aftermarket parts, and the personally perceived more refined craftsmanship.

And lastly........I am a Beretta fanboy. LOL
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It seems as though every time I have searched the Internet over the past years concerning many firearms related criteria, I was often led to this site. In doing so, I often not only was able to find the corresponding information but then some as well. Hence my registration as I want a piece of the action/ fun/knowledge .

That said, as for the OP that most recently caught my attention, you can most obviously determine which way I fall on the seeming perpetual question of which one, the PT-92 or the Beretta 92/M9 just by virtue on my username? IMHO, flip a coin as this is one of the rare occasions in life that I can honestly say you will be equally served by either.

To be sure, I faced this very question back in 1996 when I was to purchase my first ever handgun (my Dad being a cop had trained me for years on his service S&W model 10 revolver back when the wheel guns were standard and of which I eventually inherited--still a work of art and I see them even today listed @$250 or so as they are very popular if not hard to find as well). I think the variables that sold me on the Taurus 92 instead of the Beretta were 1) Price--back then the difference was much more substantial then today--allowed me to buy accessories with the saved difference 2) location of safety was IMO preferable especially being relatively new to semi's at the time 3) I had the pleasure of meeting Massad Ayoob in person at a Police Training Seminar (priceless experience) and while he was conversing with my Father I asked him straight-up which one he would recommend--Answer Taurus PT-92 and his word back then and still today was/is of great influence.

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Well. I'm called around and none of the ranges near me have a PT92 for rental. Gonna put a feeler out on one of the local AZ forums to see if anyone will let me try theirs at the range, but from what I have read from people that own both I probably won't regret whichever one I choose. Guess I'll let fate decide and pick the first one that is in great condition and can meet with me.
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Just buy both and sell the one you end up not liking.
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So, I'll preface this by mentioning that I haven't shot a Beretta yet, and that I am biased against Taurus as a brand, but a friend of mine owns a PT92 that I've shot a few times. In the hand, something about the PT92 feels a bit off, probably just a fit and finish issue. My friend also had an issue with one of the factory magazines, which didn't inspire confidence, but also isn't a deal breaker. That said, I shot his PT92 the most accurate of any pistol I've fired yet. Even when I thought I flinched, I was tearing a pretty consistent hole at 7-10 yards, which I'm close to doing with my Glocks after a decent amount of practice (I'm a fairly new shooter anyway), but the ease that it came to me with the PT92 impressed me, I have to say. I looked around and was considering getting one for awhile after my positive shooting experience, but now I'm still not sure I could buy a Taurus (a personal issue, I'm sure ) but I'm looking into Berettas a little more. Other things are higher in my priority list though for now. Anyway, with my positive experience and reading only good things, I'm sure you'd probably be happy with a PT92, but pick it up too if you're a stickler for fit and finish and see how it feel in your hand and to work the action.
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While I like the feel of my Beretta's, both Inox's, one Italian, I shot my Taurus better than both of them, and it was a LAPD turn in with like 10,000 rounds through it. I sold it two years ago and realize I made a very bad mistake. It was a beater but shot like an angel






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Just buy both and sell the one you end up not liking.
I could, but it brings up the possibility of me keeping both, and I already have "enough" handguns as it is. Only reason I am buying this one is because I am selling my SR9c since I never carry it, which was my intention when buying it, and if I'm going to have a gun that really only gets shot at the range it might as well be one that I really like.
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I had both, although the Beretta 92 I had was a solid performer a relative of mine talked me into selling it to him, because he needed for home protection. The Taurus I traded for a Ruger and never regretted it, however I have to say that Taurus never jammed on me. The Beretta is better than the Taurus for it was smoother, the grip on the Beretta just felt so good while the Taurus just had a weird feel to it that was hard to get used to. The trigger on the Beretta was 10x better than the Taurus which explains the Beretta the winner in the accuracy department. It's a no brainier the extra cost is worth it.
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I was out shooting with my Dad and his Army SF buddy earlier in the year. my dads friend had a PT92 and i have a 92fs, all day long he couldnt fire more than 2-3rounds outta his PT92 before it had some sort of malfunction. Every 30 second or so i would here him cuss his gun out for being a POS from the get go, at the end of the day he said he shoulda bought a 92fs instead of the PT92.
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Well, I just got back from selling my SR9c so I now have the funds in my wallet to make the purchase of whatever I get. Emailed a few sellers, a USA made 92FS with 2 15 round mags and a holster for $530, a Taurus PT92 without the rail with 2 17 round mags, 2 10 round mags and 1 15 round mag for $375 and a Taurus PT92ar (railed) with 1 18 round magazine for $400, and just emailed one other USA made 92FS with 3 15 round mags and 1 10 round mag and 2 holsters for $525...

Really hoping to hear back on the 92FS with more mags or the PT92ar, and I want to at least handle a PT92 before making the final call, but that 92FS with 3 15 rounders and 2 holsters seems like a helluva steal for $525.

With any luck I will be updating the thread with pics of my newest toy later tonight.
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Ended up picking up this one a few hours ago. Gun, 2 15 round magazines and a Blackhawk CQC holster. Great condition, very little wear on the outside of the barrel or on the frame and slide. Some light scratches on the left side of the slide that I am not too worried about. Bore looks excellent. Has Hogue rubber panel grips which may get replaced with the finger groove grips. $530 for everything, was a bit toward the high end of what I wanted to pay but definitely worth it.

I had gone over to Bass Pro Shop earlier today to feel up both the PT92 and 92FS side by side and while I liked the rail and frame mounted safety of the Taurus over the lack of rail and slide mounted safety of the Beretta, I decided I liked the way the Beretta felt in my hand more than the Taurus, along with the fact that I thought the sights on the Taurus looked, the looked cheap and poorly done (dots weren't even on rear sight) compared to the clean look of the rear sight on the 92FS.

(yes it has a serial number, I am just OCD about photoshopping them out of pics that I post)




Now I just need to order myself another 6-8 magazines for it, included two extended 30 rounders

I do want to thank everyone who posted in this thread and gave me their opinions based upon their experience. It sucks that I didn't get the chance to shoot a PT92 for a comparison or even pull the trigger on one. Maybe in a few months I will pick one up anyway and see if I like it. Worst case scenario, selling a gun that you bought and didn't like is pretty easy out here.

Looking forward to hitting the range in 12 hours with this gun. I'll have to post pics if I don't embarrass myself, it's been a long time since I have shot a 92 series pistol.
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Ended up picking up this one a few hours ago. Gun, 2 15 round magazines and a Blackhawk CQC holster. Great condition, very little wear on the outside of the barrel or on the frame and slide. Some light scratches on the left side of the slide that I am not too worried about. Bore looks excellent. Has Hogue rubber panel grips which may get replaced with the finger groove grips. $530 for everything, was a bit toward the high end of what I wanted to pay but definitely worth it.

I had gone over to Bass Pro Shop earlier today to feel up both the PT92 and 92FS side by side and while I liked the rail and frame mounted safety of the Taurus over the lack of rail and slide mounted safety of the Beretta, I decided I liked the way the Beretta felt in my hand more than the Taurus, along with the fact that I thought the sights on the Taurus looked, the looked cheap and poorly done (dots weren't even on rear sight) compared to the clean look of the rear sight on the 92FS.

(yes it has a serial number, I am just OCD about photoshopping them out of pics that I post)




Now I just need to order myself another 6-8 magazines for it, included two extended 30 rounders

I do want to thank everyone who posted in this thread and gave me their opinions based upon their experience. It sucks that I didn't get the chance to shoot a PT92 for a comparison or even pull the trigger on one. Maybe in a few months I will pick one up anyway and see if I like it. Worst case scenario, selling a gun that you bought and didn't like is pretty easy out here.

Looking forward to hitting the range in 12 hours with this gun. I'll have to post pics if I don't embarrass myself, it's been a long time since I have shot a 92 series pistol.

Congrats on your new Beretta, I also have a 92fs with the Hogue finger grove grips.
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Congrats on the Beretta!
I love my Taurus though.
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I've got both. Besides the differences that everyone mentioned, the curvature of the trigger is different. I prefer the 92FS trigger better because it's flatter and I have smaller hands. However, I don't see or feel any quality or reliability differences at all. I would not hesitate to pick up the PT if something bad were going down.
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Congratulations on your Beretta! Needless to say, you can expect a solid, high quality, and pleasurable experience with it for many years to come.
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Just got home from the range, getting ready to clean everything, figured I didn't do too horribly with the gun so I'll share my 25 feet results. 20 rounds through the target. The three at the bottom and one about an inch left of the target were the first 4 shots I fired. First shot was to the left and then the three at the bottom while getting used to the Beretta's trigger. I noticed that the fair majority of my shots were hitting an inch or two left of where I was aiming. Still very happy with the results, especially when I compared it to the 20 rounds I put through my LC9.



Definitely some room for improvement but I can't be too upset since it was my first time shooting a 92FS in over 6 months. Did 100 rounds total, I need to stock up on bullets for reloading now, as I can see myself putting another 400-500 rounds through this gun before the end of the month.
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Installing a " D " hammer spring will lighten up the double action pull some, which should yield a much improve groupings. Single action pull will still be the same though.
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Although the Beretta and Taurus look nearly alike, are they not different in the way the the barrel locks to the slide? I know the Beretta has a lock block with two lugs that lock the barrel. Does the Taurus lock the same way????
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Although the Beretta and Taurus look nearly alike, are they not different in the way the the barrel locks to the slide? I know the Beretta has a lock block with two lugs that lock the barrel. Does the Taurus lock the same way????
The taurus and beretta are completely the same in barrel locking block and plunger. The taurus has a stainless steel guiderod while the beretta has a plastic but that is 25 bucks for a good one. I have all beretta parts in my taurus but like the frame based safety/decoder better. The barrel is better on the beretta but nothing a match grade won't fix.
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I owned a stainless Taurus about 20 years ago, I absolutely loved it, I wish i could fond another one, but all the stainless one's I see now are not the same finish , mine was more like the Berreta Inox, the Stainless Taurus I see now look like a polished pop can.

I preferred the frame safety over the Berretas slide mounted safety, I often shot it with my buddy's Barreta and function wise they were identical, both went bang every and accuracy was the same, the Berreta did show a bit higher guality in the build, if prices are comparable I'd go Baretta but if I was going to save $200 I'd buy a Taurus.

I'm still looking for the older satin stainless Taurus to replace the one I sold years ago.
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