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Old 10-09-2012, 9:43 AM
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Hey guys. So I made a thread a few days ago about taking the written exam for LA County Sheriffs (thanks to any one who responded, much appreciated). Any how, I was speaking to an applicant who was in the academy but had to drop out due to being injured I believe. Any ways we were talking an we somehow came to talk about the health requirements. One of the tests I hear has to do with testing your color vision. I actually am color deficient as I can barely do any of the tests in the following link http://colorvisiontesting.com/ishihara.htm
or do this color tests as well http://www.colblindor.com/color-arrangement-test/

I was going to apply for CBP a few weeks ago but decided not to when I saw that one of the requirements was to have normal color vision. Do all depts. do these tests? If so, I may have to reconsider my career path If so its not the end of the world but hey what can I do
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Old 10-09-2012, 9:51 AM
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I am color deficient as well, can't do that test at all.

Do what I did, find out what test your desired agency uses, go to an eye doctor and take that test to see how ya do.

The color dot test I can't do. I can pass the one my agency does.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:08 AM
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Every job flyer I have ever seen said normal color vision. They sent me to the school of optometry at Cal, when the nurse using the dot test book dropped it and the pages all fell out, and she said I failed the test. Then I got the joy of lining up a bunch of colored pegs of various shades in order lightest to darkest, or something like that.
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:39 AM
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the ishara(spelling?) test has been proven inaccurate.
the magnant\peg test from eye doctor is "the" test.
border patrol\navy are jus 2 major agencies that allow you to use results of said test to override failed ishara test.

it costs @$100 from eye dr.

ive been thru all that.
failed several ishara charts(brown\green) but passed the magnet, color spectrum test twice, easily.

that said, i wouldnt trust myself w\red brown green wire work under water!
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Old 10-09-2012, 10:49 AM
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My brother had a similar experience, while testing for OCSD. Turns out he couldn't see blues very well. Funny thing was, he had never known that until then.
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Hey guys. So I made a thread a few days ago about taking the written exam for LA County Sheriffs (thanks to any one who responded, much appreciated). Any how, I was speaking to an applicant who was in the academy but had to drop out due to being injured I believe. Any ways we were talking an we somehow came to talk about the health requirements. One of the tests I hear has to do with testing your color vision. I actually am color deficient as I can barely do any of the tests in the following link http://colorvisiontesting.com/ishihara.htm
or do this color tests as well http://www.colblindor.com/color-arrangement-test/

I was going to apply for CBP a few weeks ago but decided not to when I saw that one of the requirements was to have normal color vision. Do all depts. do these tests? If so, I may have to reconsider my career path If so its not the end of the world but hey what can I do

Unfortunately, color blindness may DQ you from LASD if you are applying for the Deputy Sheriff position. However, if you are open to it, go through with the hiring process anyways. If they assign you a background investigator and they get your background check going, the worse that can happen is they DQ you from entering the academy. However, they may offer you another position on the department such as "Law Enforcement Technician" (LET) or "Custody Assistant" (CA). They make pretty damn descent money and they get excellent benefits as well as retirement. Getting the process going and sticking with it with it shows a willingness and tenacity they like to see.
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Old 10-10-2012, 5:34 AM
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Go to your optometrist and see if you can pass his standard color blindness test.
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Go to your optometrist and see if you can pass his standard color blindness test.
This. There are several types of test available out there, and more often then not, they will accommodate you.
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:45 AM
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the ishara(spelling?) test has been proven inaccurate.
the magnant\peg test from eye doctor is "the" test.
border patrol\navy are jus 2 major agencies that allow you to use results of said test to override failed ishara test.

it costs @$100 from eye dr.
The "magnet" test comment made me chuckle. I believe you're talking about the the Farnsworth "D-15" test. That is different from the Navy's use of the "Farnsworth Lantern (FALANT) light test." the FALANT is the standard Navy color perception test.

To the OP, if you can't pass either the Ishihara 14, 24 or 38 plate pseudoisochromatic test plate, one alternative is the "Dvorine 2nd edition, 15 plate" test. A failure is considered missing 7 or more plates on that test. It's also generally considered a slightly easier test to pass than the Ishihara pseudoisochromatic test plates.

My friend went to the Southern California College of Optometry (Fullerton, CA) and got a letter from a doctor there, stating that he passed the Dvorine test. A large police department in Cali accepted his letter in lieu of him taking the ishihara test. He failed the ishihara test by one test plate.

Most doctors don't have the Dvorine plate test book because it's out of print, so you might have to do your homework on finding someone with that test. Now, many eye doctors (opthamologists, not optometrists) are switching over to the "Richmond-HRR 4th edition" pseudoisochromatic test plates. Many government entities such as the FAA have acknowledged and accepted that the most accurate and quickest color vision test is the "Richmond-HHR 4th edition" pseudoisochromatic test plates.

You might inquire with an eye specialist if they have that test and if the LE agency you seek employment with will accept that test as an alternative to the ishihara tests. I'll tell you from personal experience, my son has taken several color vision tests and found that the HRR 4th edition to be more difficult than both ishihara and Dvorine. Remember however, everyone's eyes are different.

*****Bottom line.... DON'T GIVE UP! There are acceptable alternatives to just the "one" color vision test. Specifically those damn dot-numbered tests (Ishihara) that so many people anguish over. You just have to find the right test a future employer will accept.*****

On a side note, my old college room mate failed the LAPD medical screening test. They told him he had a heart condition and his career aspirations to being a cop were over. Not satisfied with that answer, my buddy appealed and he went to a cardiologist who administered some medical tests. The cardiologist said my buddy was fine and wrote a letter stating that he could perform the normal duties of a police officer. My point is, there are options and appeals for all sorts of things, including color vision.

Just for general information and in case you're wondering, here are the acceptable "pass/fail" requirements for the three main color vision tests we're discussing (Ishihara, Dvorine and Richmomd-HRR 4th):

Ishihara pseudoisochromatic plates:Concise 14-plate edition: six or more errors on plates 1-11; the 24-plate edition: seven or more errors on plates 1-15; the 38-plate edition: nine or more errors on plates 1-21.

Dvorine pseudoisochromatic plates(second edition, 15 plates): seven or more errors on plates 1-15.

Richmond-HRR, 4th edition: two or more errors on plates 5-24. Plates 1-4 are for demonstration only; plates 5-10 are screening plates; and plates 11-24 are diagnostic plates.
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I do not know about the accuracy of any particular eye test over another, but there is going to be a color blindness test with any police/special agent position you might apply for.

Street signs, street lights, hazard signs/warnings, drugs, weapons, computer screens.. all are going to require a level of color differentiation. If you have a real visibility issue, then you may be out of luck.
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