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Old 09-22-2012, 6:42 AM
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22LR in a AR platform is a bit weird to me. Otherwise, I know of no stigma associated with 22LR pistols or rifles.
To each his own but this CMMG is very very accurrate,never never jams or misfires. A blast to shoot. I own and have owned more .22s than I can count over the years. I have 10-22s and they never go anywhere with us anymore. Nothing weird about .22 in the AR Platform.

This thing is by far the funnest thing you can have if shooting the .22 rimfire. Also the quality is top notch in every way.

Sounds like you may have a hatred of the AR platform or do not like what they call assault rifles period. If you shot this you would be in love.

AR22s and rimfire conversion conversion of all types are the largest growing thing in the .22 world right now. You been under a rock somewhere Theres hardly a Firearm platform that has not been converted to shoot rimfire anymore. Including the 1911 platform. If you like 1911s as would be indicated by your name,you need a .22 conversion for it. There would be nothing wierd about that. Many have em.

Now what I do find strange are the 1022 guys that buy these kits to make their Rugers look like a AR. To each his own though. But just as well get a real AR however that shoots .22 than to make one that kinda looks like it..

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Old 09-22-2012, 8:51 AM
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A couple of ancedotal things that happened recently. I was at the pistol range with my Heritage Rough Rider shooting .22WMR rounds at a 6" square plate @ 50 yds and hitting it 5 out of 6 rounds. The guy next to me was shooting a 9mm at a man size target 7 yards out. He was getting 10-12" groups. He came over and asked me what I was shooting and how far away the target was. When I told him he couldn't believe it. So I reloaded the revolver and handed it to him and told him to give it a try. He looked at the revolver like it was beneath him to shoot it. Well he hit the plate 4 out of 6 trys and wanted to know where he could buy one.

Another was I was shooting @ 100yds with my Marlin .22WMR rifle and my Savage .17HMR. A couple of guys next to me were blasting away at 50yds with their ARs. They asked what I was shooting and said "Oh" and we all continued to shoot. 30 minutes later we all retrieved our targets and as I arrived back at my bench they asked to see how I was shooting. Both the Marlin and Savage were around 1" groups of 5 shots. They seemed a little bewildered. I asked to see their targets and they just said they needed more practice and weren't shooting seriously. Really?

I have no predjudice against any caliber, even pellet rifles but some folks think that if it don't make a big bang it ain't worth having. They don't know what they are missing. I could care less what others think of my .22lr, .22WMR and .17HMR firearms. I'll shoot against any of those big boys out to 100yds any day. Besides, it ain't the arrow that's accuracte, its the Indian.
I have two Savage rifles, a .22 and a .17HMR and they are both very accurate to 100 yards and are a pleasure to shoot at those "all day" range sessions. The .17 can become challenging when there is a crosswind but generally will make ragged holes in a target at 100 yards. Plenty of guys show up with AR's and shoot for about an hour then leave with targets that look like Swiss cheese. I have an AR and frankly don't use it much any longer since I got over the whole AR thing. I only bring it out when friends come along and want to shoot it because they never have seen one in person, much less tried one.

I don't care what people at the range or the gun store think; I shoot for my pleasure.
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Old 09-22-2012, 9:49 AM
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It's funny, my first gun was the largest caliber out of all that I own, and since then I've been buying guns in smaller and smaller calibers since. I think my next will finally be a 22LR.
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Half of my firearm collection are. 22's. Whenever we hit the range as a family or as a group of friends, they always get brought along and used. I can't honestly say that about the larger calibers. Even if they are used everyone seems to gravitate back to the. 22's. I especially like the quality of the older guns compared to todays. And +1 on the air rifles.....hand a centerfire shooter an airgun and see how good their fundamentals are. Airguns will bring out problems in technique due to their slower lock time. And don't even get me started on spring airguns.
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Sounds like you may have a hatred of the AR platform or do not like what they call assault rifles period. If you shot this you would be in love.
On the contrary, among other firearms, I own a Colt M4.

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I think that stigma you are feeling is in your head. I've never felt anything like that, the .22LR has a special place in most shooter's hearts. It's cheap, fun and what most of us start out on.
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Every time I go shooting , my Single Six and MRKII go. No matter what else I bring. I think that 22lr is the staple of the shooting sports.
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I'm a long time member on many web forums.
The .22 and Rimfire forums are at least as active if not more so than the center fire forums.
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Just recently picked up my 1st .22lr - 10/22 Takedown - & was all smiles while waiting to pick it up. It's been to the range twice in less than 2 weeks & I cannot wait for it. I get a greater sense of satisfaction than other gun, cannot believe I hadn't got one earlier.
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With the money you are saving on ammo you can pay for a psychologist to help with small caliber anxiety.

Every time I got to the range a .22 pistol is going with me. Nothing wrong with a .22 that another couple of hundred rounds down the pipe won't fix. Great way to warm up before moving up to the larger stuff.
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I think that stigma you are feeling is in your head. I've never felt anything like that, the .22LR has a special place in most shooter's hearts. It's cheap, fun and what most of us start out on.
And extremely accurate!

On the walk out to the 100 yard targets, I usually pick up some expended shotgun shells to stick into the dirt backstop. It's a blast to make them dance with my .22's.

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Old 09-26-2012, 8:23 AM
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I think that stigma you are feeling is in your head.
Ahhh I don't think so. If you've read the thread I think you'll see at least a few folks acknowledge it or even own up to perpetuating it.

Hell I just randomly ran across a nutnfancy vid where he addresses the stigma directly. Watch the first three minutes or so to see what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzUb2_sWorE

Ok here's another question slightly divergent to my original post: if 22lr was as expensive, or conversely if say 308 or even 556 was as cheap, would you still reach for the 22lr? Or in other words if ammo costs were a non factor, would the 22lr still be as much "fun"?
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Old 09-26-2012, 9:09 AM
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I personally would shoot the .22 AR upper as much as our 5.56 upper even if the ammo for the 5.56 was the same price. It is just so much more fun to shoot than the Big Brother..Regardless of ammo price the .22s would still get more use.

Now if the .22 rimfire would cost more or as much as the .223, both would get shot considerably less that is for sure.

The price of the .22 rimfire is a nice advantage and I am glad it is there for a option in the AR Platform. ... Just so Damn FUN though.

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Ok here's another question slightly divergent to my original post: if 22lr was as expensive, or conversely if say 308 or even 556 was as cheap, would you still reach for the 22lr? Or in other words if ammo costs were a non factor, would the 22lr still be as much "fun"?
Well, ammo cost is a factor. It'd be just as much "fun" to shoot, of course, but I probably wouldn't buy one then. Instead, I'd reach for my Rossi 92 levergun in .357M and shoot my light, 105gr .38 Special handloads out of it. Feels just like a .22LR and costs me $6.00 per 100 rounds to make. If you want more power, the Rossi 92 shoots .357M also, which out of a rifle, is powerful enough to make Bambi "what's for dinner", but isn't a shoulder-killer.

So, the economics of shooting the .22LR make it the most often "reached for" long gun for me. This is followed immediately by the levergun.

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Good stuff guys. I particularly appreciate the comments coming from those who 'used' to scoff at the 22lr.
As mentioned before, I was guilty of that, too...until I actually tried one. That may be the key; the "my Mega-Magnum is a REAL MAN's gun" folks probably just haven't tried a .22LR yet.

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One other comment; someone mentioned they make great trainers. Totally agreed.

But I wonder if that's part of the 'stigma': if you shoot a 22lr then you're a beginner and you haven't yet graduated on to bigger calibers.

You and I know that's stupid, but none the less I get the feeling that's part of what turns people off; they see them as a 'beginner's tool'.
It shouldn't turn 'em off. For harvesting small game like rabbits, squirrel, groundhogs, and so on, it's hard to beat a .22LR. I dunno about other people, but I do like the taste of wild rabbit, and it's healthy and lean. The greatest sharpshooter in the world, Annie Oakley, regularly did shows with her .22LR and her .410 shotgun. I wonder how much small game that greatest of all marksmen harvested over her lifetime with her "little toy gun"....

Shooting with my 10/22 has indeed helped me to shoot the levergun and the Mosin better, too. But I still reach for the 10/22 a whole lot.
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Old Scool type shooters may be CALIBER WHoRES but REAL shooters can appreciate the 10/22...an what are you gonna build? m1 Carbine conversion with tech sights I hope thats my next .22 project! Have fun an be safe thats all that counts!
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I, for one, ALWAYS take my DEAGLE to the range with me and leave it on the bench with a battery powered spotlight on it!

No one sees me shooting it because I don't have any 50AE ammo....nor do they know I can't handle more than one round through it either! lol....
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i get it from my cousin whenever i mention that i bought "another 22".

he'll ask what my gun-count is at currently (im constantly buying/selling), then he'll say "well, how many of those are 22's"....I tell him 5, and he'll act like those dont count

happens in this exact order constantly
Hahaha, I'm not that bad. I have a 10/22 and really like the gun and think everyone should have at least one, but you ARE obsessed! Now I get to hear about your silenced 22's...
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I love .22lr, its cheap and fun. I also love shooting tiny groups at the range and seeing people look at that and then they think "well its just a .22).. then I bust out a bigger caliber and do the same group It helps so much with target acquisition and accuracy, I dare say anyone who doesn't shoot alot of .22 probably sucks and probably needs to.
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Ok here's another question slightly divergent to my original post: if 22lr was as expensive, or conversely if say 308 or even 556 was as cheap, would you still reach for the 22lr? Or in other words if ammo costs were a non factor, would the 22lr still be as much "fun"?
Interesting question. One thing about the .22lr, .22WMR and .17HMR is the low recoil. For me (call me sissy if you like I have thick skin ) the low recoil equates to accuracy, easier on the ladies and small kids. Example is my 9mm pistola, wife shot one round and handed it back, got her an SR22 and she shoots the heck out of it.

On the expense side I guess if prices of ammo were equal I would probably pick a different caliber, maybe 5.56 or similiar and become a re-loader to reduce the cost. If .22 ammo became as expensive I think we would all be stuck with some "dinosaur" weapons. No one would buy a new or used .22 caliber weapon.
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Ok here's another question slightly divergent to my original post: if 22lr was as expensive, or conversely if say 308 or even 556 was as cheap, would you still reach for the 22lr? Or in other words if ammo costs were a non factor, would the 22lr still be as much "fun"?
If 5.56, .308, etc. were as cheap as .22lr, I'd still shoot .22lr.

If .22lr cost as much as 5.56, .308, etc. I'd find switch to something like .22wmr, .17hmr, etc. as there would just be no point in .22lr.
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Interesting question. One thing about the .22lr, .22WMR and .17HMR is the low recoil. For me (call me sissy if you like I have thick skin ) the low recoil equates to accuracy, easier on the ladies and small kids.
No sissy stuff from me. I agree completely.

Thanks again for the comments guys. This is fun to see Carry on!
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I've only encountered this stigma a couple times and it was from non gun owners or new gun owners. I just and carry on.
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.22's are awesome.

Anyone gives you quap, invite 'em out shooting with you. Bring something cool/fun like .22 silhouette targets.
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Maybe. But that'd be a first for me in either case

Nah, nothing like that. Just some random musings based on some observations during lunch on hump day. Believe me, I'd rather be at the range shooting one of my 22s
Remember....... the worst day shooting is better than the best day at work.

I have a few ARs, a Mini 14 frankengun, a couple 308s -- haven't been to the range in a long while, and what gun am I thinking of taking ??

My 10/22......

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.22's are fun shoots. I've never turned down an offer to shoot one. I've shot more .22 than anything else in my life, and that probably won't change.
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I spend much more time behind the trigger of a .22 because I can afford it. It has definetly improved my shooting across the board with all other weapons.

CMMG ships an average of 1500 .22 uppers a month, and they are still hard to keep in stock.
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High Quality .22 guns are Cheap 22lr ammo is cheap all relatively speaking, I can convert my Sig P226 or my AR to shoot 22 with a common conversion kit, The guns and ammo are all smaller and lighter. I have a "go bag" with .22 ammo. If the S**t hits the fan and I have to leave I'm taking my 10/22 and my sr22 along, and leaving all my other stuff behind, even my 1911. It just makes sense to me. I never really noticed a Stigma, and if there is, I don't really care.
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As others have said - who gives a flying fork what anyone else thinks? WRT the stigma you "felt" at the LGS, I think it may have been more internal than real.

I'm going to start my son with a 22, and I own the 10/22 take down and a Mosquito, and love the hell out of running them on the range. The mosquito is nearly as loud as my 9mm when using hyper velocity rounds too.
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Hey guys. I have a secret love (a passion maybe even) for 22lrs. I can list the reasons why, but I think in this company I'd be wasting time; I'm pretty sure we 'get it'. But for some reason, it almost feels like a dirtly little secret, ya know? Case in point:

I recently went in to a local gun store and bought a bare bones 10/22. I plan to build it up to my tastes, tune it to drive nails and generally just turn it into one fine shooting machine. But I couldn't shake the sense of scorn from other customers in the shop. I'm a middle aged man of fairly large stature who yes, was in there buying a 10/22. No its not for my son, or my niece, or my grandma... its for me. Yes, it shoots a real caliber, no its not a toy and yes it is a real gun. I left the store almost feeling sheepish.

How do you guys get over the stigma? How do you measure your "little 22" against the bigger center fire calibers even just in your own head? Is it 'just a toy' to you too, or do you think of it differently?

Nothing is going to stop me from shooting and enjoying the hell out of my 22s. But I can't shake the feeling I'm somehow viewed as inferior for doing so. What about you, and how do you deal with it?
I think the stigma is on those who look down on the 22LR.

There is much to be said for the 22LR, it is an American round, very accurate, widely available and cheap. What's not to like, really??? Fact is, it is used even by the Israeli Mossad which we all know is one of the toughest counterterrorism outfit in the world.

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When folks at work ask me what guns i shoot the most i tell them a 22. they usually scoff and say "ha, thats nothing, 22's wont do that much damage to a target" then i reply "22's out kill more people in the world then any other round, would you ever volunteer to get shot with a lowly 22?" they walk away with nothing to say every time.

And when i take 1st time shooters to the range they always come back to the 22 no matter what big center fire guns my buddies brought
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Anyone who dismisses the .22lr is a fool. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot out there. I've seen plenty of people brush off my wife's shooting skills when she's out with my 22/45. Here's the thing, she actually hits what she's aiming at. Those blowhards on the other hand hit everything but the target -- kicking up dirt, shooting holes in the frames, etc.
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Anyone who dismisses the .22lr is a fool. Unfortunately there seem to be a lot out there. I've seen plenty of people brush off my wife's shooting skills when she's out with my 22/45. Here's the thing, she actually hits what she's aiming at. Those blowhards on the other hand hit everything but the target -- kicking up dirt, shooting holes in the frames, etc.
Agreed! I also use the 22/45 for much practice and as a tool to bring new folks to our sport.
At the local club I have never been scoffed at or otherwise looked down upon for shooting .22!

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How do you guys get over the stigma? How do you measure your "little 22" against the bigger center fire calibers even just in your own head?
I don't.
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I know the feeling. You don't know how many times early on I would walk down the Angeles rifle range with my 10/22 bag. Man! I felt like people were automatically categorizing me.

But at the end of the day, I can out shoot A LOT of them with my 10/22

It's a great weapon. YES, a weapon!! Not a toy.
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Ok here's another question slightly divergent to my original post: if 22lr was as expensive, or conversely if say 308 or even 556 was as cheap, would you still reach for the 22lr? Or in other words if ammo costs were a non factor, would the 22lr still be as much "fun"?
If costs were all equal, I would not shoot as much 22lr. Shooting 22lr is fun and cheap. My other guns are fun and expensive (relatively compared to 22lr). If all things were equal, I'd practice and train with the larger calibers since they would most likely be my go to gun in almost all situations.

.22's are fun though and since costs are not equal, I shoot them almost every time I go out.

To answer the original question there's a phrase that my one of my good friends would say to me a lot at the range, "Shoot what you like, Like what you shoot".
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