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Old 05-27-2012, 9:09 PM
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I also work for the department, in a uniformed, armed civilian position. When I went through the academy a few months ago, my class was issued refurbished Beretta 92FSs. However, the deputies going through the academy at the same time got the new M&Ps with the tactical lights. It seems we are lower priority and thus get to use up the older issue weapons. I do like the Beretta though, it's a very smooth firing weapon that has never given me any problems either during the academy, or when practicing after.
Even the current deputy classes are getting the Beretta. The switch was approved, but it will take time to implement, and will be done on a priority basis, with courts and custody being at the bottom of the food chain. Community Colleges and Parks Bureau will fall in there somewhere.

SEB and other specialized units will go first, then patrol stations on a rotating basis. That's the way they did the Beretta conversion. It took about two years. It may take longer now because they have more units than they did in 87-89. They didn't have armed security officers back then either.

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Old 06-01-2012, 5:45 AM
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I'd encourage anyone eagerly waiting the transition to work an OT spot and just go buy their own.

The department moves slowly on such matters and the pistol is less than $500 out the door.

I've been carrying an M&P 9mm for a while, and the compact off duty. As close as a perfect pair of carry guns I have ever found.
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I wonder if the S&W Shield will ever get on the approved list...
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Old 06-02-2012, 2:15 AM
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I wonder if the S&W Shield will ever get on the approved list...
No kidding! I need another off duty gun like I need another hole in the head, but I really want one of those for the summer.
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Old 06-02-2012, 6:11 AM
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New department approved handgun = New reason/excuse/justification to buy another handgun!
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Old 06-02-2012, 1:01 PM
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I wonder if the S&W Shield will ever get on the approved list...
I have a strong feeling it will be tested.



Whether it passes...We'll see. I hope so. I want one.
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New department approved handgun = New reason/excuse/justification to buy another handgun!

HAHAHA... no kidding...
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:28 PM
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So here is what was sent to all patrol captains by the department commander in charge of training in regard to the transition...

From: Hartshorne, Joseph S.
Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 5:01 PM
To: FOR1 Captains; FOR2 Captains; FOR3 Captains
Subject: Smith & Wesson Transition Training For Patrol



Captains,



I am writing to you directly in hopes that you can provide some clarification to your patrol personnel regarding the new Smith & Wesson M&P (Military and Police) pistol. The Sheriff has been asked about this process at recent unit visits, and there may be some misunderstanding about what is going to occur.



First, the Department is transitioning from the Beretta pistol to the S&W. The new weapon will come with a fixed flashlight and a holster which will accommodate the gun and light. Originally this was all slated to start in April, but there were hang-ups in the procurement process. Currently we anticipate receiving the new guns/lights/holsters by the end of the summer.



A few months ago we did receive a small amount of the new guns, and it was decided to provide them to Academy recruits. This allowed the Department to pilot test the weapon in a controlled system before facilitating the complete Departmental changeover; the thousands of rounds fired by the recruits was way to “test drive” the new weapon in a short period of time. The pilot study resulted in identifying a modification to the weapon necessary to manufacturing. The pilot study exhausted this batch of weapons and the current classes have returned to the Beretta. Additionally, as many of you know, the Academy can be the first time a recruit has ever fired a gun, and it seemed logical to provide their initial, intensive training with the actual gun they will be carrying for years.



Once we begin receiving shipments of the new guns/lights/holsters, we will start the patrol transition classes, while simultaneously training Academy recruits with the new weapon. Patrol personnel who elect to transition to the S&W will have to go through an 8-hour class at the PDC ranges. Academy classes utilize the bulk of range time due to the number of classes we are running, the size of the classes, and the amount of time they are mandated to spend at the range. Whether or not the recruits receive the S&W or the Beretta, does not change the amount of time they consume at the ranges. Therefore, our range instructors must coordinate patrol transition classes within the available time left at the ranges. In other words, the speed at which patrol personnel can transition to the S&W is only limited by the availability of open ranges and available instructors, not the number of S&Ws in stock. It is not our intention, nor has it ever been, to outfit the Academy classes at the expense of patrol. It is a concurrent process that will take 2-3 years to complete.



As to which stations will receive the new weapons first, this is above my pay grade and will be worked out by the chiefs.



If you have any questions, or if I can help dispel any rumors, please call me.



Thanks

Joe







Joseph S. Hartshorne, Commander

Leadership & Training Division



Just like the Beretta conversion "back in the day"...My class was one of the last to receive Smith and Wesson Model 15's and as a custody deputy it took 1 1/2 years to transition us to the 92's...
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It's official- 06/18/12 0920

SUBJECT: LASD TRANSITION TO SMITH & WESSON M&P PISTOLS

THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS IN THE PROCESS OF A DEPARTMENTWIDE
TRANSITION TO A NEW DUTY WEAPON, THE 9MM SMITH & WESSON M&P
(MILITARY AND POLICE). THE WEAPON WILL BE ISSUED WITH AN ATTACHED
FLASHLIGHT AND A HOLSTER TO ACCOMMODATE THE PISTOL AND LIGHT.
ORIGINALLY, THE DEPARTMENT HAD PLANNED TO BEGIN TRANSITIONING TO THE
S&W IN APRIL 2012, HOWEVER, DELAYS IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS HAVE
POSTPONED THE ACQUISITION OF THE EQUIPMENT. IT IS CURRENTLY
ANTICIPATED THAT WE WILL BEGIN RECEIVING PISTOLS, LIGHTS AND
HOLSTERS BY THE END OF THE SUMMER, IN QUANTITIES SUFFICIENT TO TRAIN
BOTH PATROL PERSONNEL AND ACADEMY CLASSES SIMULTANEOUSLY.

FOR PATROL PERSONNEL, TRANSITION TRAINING TO THE S&W M&P WILL REQUIRE
AN 8-HOUR CLASS AT THE PDC RANGE. ACADEMY WEAPONS TRAINING WILL BE
INCORPORATED INTO REGULAR RANGE INSTRUCTION. CONSTRAINTS ON THE
DEPLOYMENT OF THE WEAPONS TO PATROL ARE LIMITED TO ACCESSIBILITY OF
OUR RANGES AND AVAILABILITY OF INSTRUCTORS. ACADEMY CLASSES REQUIRE
SUBSTANTIAL RANGE TRAINING FOR EITHER THE S&W M&P OR THE BERETTA,
RESTRICTING THE NUMBER OF TRANSITION CLASSES FOR PATROL. LEADERSHIP
AND TRAINING DIVISION WILL WORK DILIGENTLY TO MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF
TRANSITION CLASSES. ISSUANCE OF THE S&W M&P TO ACADEMY CLASSES WILL
NOT DELAY THE RATE AT WHICH PATROL PERSONNEL RECEIVE THE NEW WEAPON.
EVEN SO, IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT A DEPARTMENTWIDE TRANSITION TO THE
S&W M&P WILL BE 2-3 YEARS.
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IT'S OFF AGAIN!!!

Just spoke with some recruits practicing, they were shooting the 92FS. I asked them why they were not shooting the M&P and they stated it was not issued to their class due to light or no primer strikes on several issued M&P's in a previous class.
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Old 09-16-2012, 6:19 AM
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not true. They were issued the 92F/FSs because we don't have M&Ps available.
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IT'S OFF AGAIN!!!

Just spoke with some recruits practicing, they were shooting the 92FS. I asked them why they were not shooting the M&P and they stated it was not issued to their class due to light or no primer strikes on several issued M&P's in a previous class.
Wrong. Please don't spread bad info.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:49 AM
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Wrong. Please don't spread bad info.
Ron, it could very well be that Rico911 did get that "info" from an uneducated recruit. I've had recruits say one thing and spread the "rumor" like a virus; only to have a DI correct them otherwise.
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Old 09-17-2012, 1:16 PM
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Everyone knows that recruits don't know squat, just like trainees in patrol.

The only problem identified with the M&P 9 was almost three years ago with a batch of bad extractors that affected less than 50 guns. The problem was quickly identified by weapons training, and S&W quickly fixed the problem
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Don't shoot the messenger guys. 3 of them piped up when I asked, all were in agreement about why they were issied 92's. On the otherhand, they were at BC shooting on a Saturday, shooting into the dirt. One had the habit of loading a fresh mag, dropping the slide, and racking it, ejecting the first round
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Old 09-17-2012, 6:48 PM
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Recruits, lmao.

The Dept Armorer and I worked patrol together at Industry back in the 80's. He knows guns. If he said it, I'd believe it. He has total confidence in the M&P
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