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Hello Everyone,

I have seen a number of lists purporting what you should have in your preparations or what will disappear off store shelves first in an emergency and thought they were lacking in one area or another. Below is a list I put together. I drew inspiration from the many other lists I have seen, my own experience and knowledge, and what I would like to have. For me it is a thinking list…it helps me think about what I could, should, or would have with infinite funding, time and space.

This list is not designed for a specific event but rather is a general "nice to have" kind of thing. It is definitely not a bug out or evac list but for staying at home or at your BOL/vacation home

This list is not meant to be a shopping list…no one expects you to go out and buy one of everything. Take from it what you will and move on. If all you got from it was a laugh, great. It will mean different things to different people.

One other big point…there is no order to the list! Item 1 is not more important than item 42. The numbers are there as quick reference to a specific item.

Please share your thoughts and suggestions…keep it helpful though so others can pick up your ideas.


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Food, Cooking and Prep
1. Bread, flour, yeast, salt, baking powder/soda, seasons, spices, cooking oil, pasta, cereal, granola, vinegar, honey, syrup, sugar, rice, beans, eggs, bullion, gravy and soup bases, peanut butter, jelly, Nutella, butter, cheese, milk (liquid, powdered, condensed, soy/almond/coconut, shelf stable), lard, ketchup, mustard, mayonnaise, soy sauce, vinegar, BBQ sauce, vegetables (potatoes, gourds)
2. Canned/pouched food: fruits, vegetables, chili, soup, stew, tuna (more calories if in oil vs. water, olive oil preferred for flavor), chicken, pork, fish, pemmican
3. Coffee and filters, tea, hot chocolate, punch, Tang, Crystal Lite, Kool-Aid
4. Manual cooking utensils: can opener, egg beater, whisks, coffee grinder/press/percolator, meat grinder, cleaver, bread knife,
5. Cook stove (white fuel, propane, wood, charcoal), Oven (camp, solar, wood, charcoal), Sterno
6. Cast iron cookware
7. Ice, ice chest
8. Canning: jars, lids, wax, pectin, sugar, lemon juice, canner, funnel, jar lifter, lid lifter, book, recipes
9. Snacks: Crackers, pretzels, trail mix, jerky, chips, gum, candy, popcorn, nuts
10. Serving ware: plates, bowls, cups, utensils (paper products reduce clean up and can be burned for heat and light)
Tools and Gear
11. Hand tools: hammers, pliers, screw drivers, sockets, wrenches, crow bars, knives, sharpening tools, files, grinding stones, sand paper, rasps, planes, scrapers
12. Glue, epoxy, nails, screws, bolts, pulleys, straps, hardware cloth, screen patches, sealant, wax, insulation
13. Lubricants: motor oil, grease, powdered, multipurpose (WD-40)
14. Welding gear: gas, rods, sticks, wire, mask, gloves, bib
15. Hand pumps and siphons for water and fuel
16. Automotive: antifreeze, fan belt, windshield wiper blades, windshield washer fluid, blinker fluid, run flat
17. Lumber (all types), PVC pipes/fittings and cement
18. Saws, axes, hatchets, machetes, wedges, chain saw (spare chain, oil, spark plug, sharpening system), sharpening stone, honing oil/strap
19. Aluminum foil: regular and heavy duty
20. Tape: duct, electrical, waterproof, sealant, masking, clear
Clothing
21. Durable clothing: hat, boots, belt, denim/canvas pants, shirts, coat, shoe laces, suspenders, socks, underwear, undershirts
22. Rain weather gear: coat, pants, hat and boots, suspenders
23. Cold weather gear: jacket/parka, woolen clothing, scarves, ear-muffs, cap/balaclava/face mask, gloves/mittens, boots, socks, gators, glasses/goggles, mid-layers, thermals, under-layers (think layers rather than thickness)
24. Hot/Sunny weather gear: shorts, shirt, hat, sun glasses, sun screen, umbrella, tarp
25. Glasses: sun, protective, reading, prescription
26. Gloves: work, cold weather, waterproof, gardening, rubber, wash, nitrile
27. Scissors, fabrics, patches, needles, pins, thread, thimble (can’t have too much thread or too many needles)
28. Dust mask, NBC mask and suit
Power
29. Motor power: generators, fuel, extension cords, gas cans, wiring,
30. Solar power: solar panels, battery/charger controllers, storage batteries, wires and cables
31. Wind power: wind mill, lubricants, belts, generator, battery/charger controllers, storage batteries, wires and cables
32. Battery chargers, AC/DC converter, DC/AC inverter
Floods, Hurricanes and Heavy Rains
33. Sump pump, discharge hose, clamps, check valves (1-way valve)
34. Sand bags and barriers
35. Boat, raft, canoe, personal floatation device, motor, oars, paddles
Miscellaneous
36. Cash, checks, American Express Travelers Cheques, precious medals in smaller sizes (ounces vs. pounds)
37. Water, well, distiller, water filters, purifiers, bottles, containers (good options include: food grade, wheels, see through, thick wall, plastic), rain collectors (barrels, plastic sheeting), bleach (plain, unscented), eye droppers
38. Toilet: portable toilet, toilet paper, scented 4gal trash bags, garden lime
39. Seasoned firewood, charcoal, lighter fluid, matches, lighters
40. Lamp/Lantern, oil, wicks, globes, hangers, mantles, replacement parts, sealant, cleaner
41. Fuel: gasoline, diesel, kerosene, white (Coleman), propane (1lb and 20lb), battery powered fire and carbon monoxide alarm (battery powered), fire extinguishers, stabilizers and additives
42. Heaters: propane, kerosene, wood
43. How to books: Survival guide/manual/book: SAS Survival Guide, FM 21-76 US Army Survival Guide, Boy Scout Handbook, Urban Survival Guide/Handbook, cook books, home repair, vehicle repair, gardening, canning, country living, first aid
44. Baby/Child/Elderly supplies: OTC medicine, ointment, diapers, wet wipes, formula, etc.
45. Washboard, tub, mop bucket with wringer, detergent/soap, clothes pins/line/hangers
46. Hygiene products: menstrual pads, tampons, Diva/Moon cup, Hair care, skin care, deodorant, shampoo, tooth brush and paste, dental floss, razors and shave cream/gel, nail clippers, powder/talk, sun block, lip balm, tissue, paper towels, toilet paper, sanitizer gel, baby wipes, oils, soap (antibacterial, waterless, foaming, bar)
47. Gasoline/Diesel/Kerosene containers
48. Garbage bags: kitchen - 13g, bathroom - 4g, trash and yard container - 33g, barrel - 55g
49. Garden seeds and gardening implements
50. Stove/Lantern repair kit: generator, seals, pump
51. First aid kits/supplies, vitamins, OTC medicines, prescriptions/drugs (this will be expanded on later since this seems to be what more than a few suggestions surround)
52. Batteries: button, AAA AA, C, D, CR123, 6V, 9V, 12V, rechargeable, lithium (Li-Ion)/alkaline/nickel metal hydride (NiMH)/nickel cadmium (NiCad)
53. Paper, pens, pencils, solar calculators, journals, diaries, scrapbooks
54. Lights: flashlights, head lamps, glow sticks, solar lights (the kind for the patio or driveway)
55. Garbage cans (good options include: attached lid, lockable, water tight, wheels, strong, handles)
56. Fishing gear: rods, reels, nets, lures, leaders, weights, bobs, hooks, line, hooks, tools, etc.
57. Bug repellants: coils, sprays, creams, screens, citronella candles, fogger
58. Tents, tarps, stakes, rope, string, twine, para cord, plastic sheeting
59. Candles, wax, wicks, molds
60. Back packs, duffel bags, rolling luggage, wagons, carts, trailers
61. Bicycle: bikes, tires, tubes, pumps, chains, tire patch
62. Sleeping bags, blankets, pillows and mats (regular and inflatable), cots
63. Entertainment: board games, cards, dice, puzzles, books
64. Rat/Mouse/Ant/Roach traps or killer
65. Cigarettes, smoking tobacco, chew
66. Wine/Beer/Liquor
67. Radios (battery powered, hand crank solar charged, AM/FM/Weather/VHF/World/SAME, GMRS/FRS 2-way), scanners, CB/HAM
68. Copies of important documents: Driver’s license, Passport book/card, birth certificate, insurance policies (home, vehicle, life, medical, dental, riders), marriage certificate, voter registration, concealed carry, NFA tax stamps, wills, medical directives, etc.
69. Defensive items: door jammer, wedge, guns, ammunition, pepper spray, knives, bats, reloading equipment and supplies, battery powered alarm system (motion sensors, cameras), binoculars/scopes
70. Fans, atomizer, mister, sprayer
71. Livestock: chickens, roosters, fowl, rabbits, dairy goats and cows, horses
72. Pet or livestock: food/feed, vitamins, medications
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Lists are always useful. The comments on additions / deletions / alterations are also useful.
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Reloading equipment and components,
Motion sensors or at least trip wire / cords,
Spotting scopes ( I prefer numerous affordable to a range great ),
Sun oven, distiller
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Other than wind power, livestock, a diva moon cup (made some cherokee hair tampons instead) and NFA tax stamps, our house already had all of that crap.

Before 'prepping'.

You should see my garage. Friggin disaster area.
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Antibiotics, pain killers, amphetamines.
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Coconut milk (better nutritional profiles than soy/almond milk, and cheaper).
Shelf-Stable Pemmican
Canned Salmon
Canned Sardines
Canned Herring
Properly stored root vegetables, such as gourds & potatoes. Many can be left in the ground/cellar for long periods of time.
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I agree I have added the great suggestions.

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Much more on the pain supplies. Large amounts of anti inflammatory type things be it aleve, or advil, vicodin, norco, or any opiate form drugs for fast pain relief. If you can get a hold of it, Morphine Sulfate or a harder pill form of pain relief. There is a cut healing powder you can put over a wound and it basically instantly cotarizes it. Can't remember the name but you can get them at sporting goods stores many times. Rope, Tarps, a good stash of Bacardi 151 or high proof alcohol. That can be both for using on wounds to cleanse them, burning it as fuel for a stove, or drinking some if you need a suture. Lots of other things, but some of these duplicate, but elaborate on what you already have.

Oh, and lots of camo flat spray paint. Never know when you're gonna need to not be seen!
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ABX (doxycycline, cipro, chlornitromycin, rifaximim)
Pain meds (tramadol, tylenol, ibuprofen/ketoprofin)
Anti-parasitic (flagyl, ivermectin)
Anti-fungal (fluconozole)
Sedatives (benzos, phenobarbital)
Stimulants (ephedrine HCL, amphetamine, modafinil)
Anti-histamines (diphenhydramine, loratadine)
Anti-inflammatory (dexamethazone/methyprednisolone)

And if things get really bad some cyanide.
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Great list and suggestions. Everything I have thought of suggesting has been covered so far.
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Since you have young kids, you will need many many distractions.

Comfort foods and activities to keep them busy and you sane
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Barter-able goods, once all other NECESSARY preparations are in place.

Gold & silver, yes, but also smokes, booze, gum, candy and other such treats that many folks will NOT give up easily, and won't necessarily be readily available in an extended emrgency, grid-down scenario, etc.

Liquor, as a bonus, can ALSO be used as an antiseptic.
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Great lists!

I have a question though. You have so many different types of batteries listed. Is this because you have gear that requires all those types or is this in case you forage something that requires a battery you didn't stock?
Why not limit your battery operated gear to AA (or pick 2 sizes that are small and common).

I would imagine limiting to only a few sizes would help you keep your preps fresh by rotating the batteries through the products that you currently own. So you don't end up with a stockpile of dead batteries when you need it most.

Just my thoughts.
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I did not see Water Cans. I keep water but its in the throw-away 5 gals boxes.

After the Northridge Quake, I saw on TV, people lined up at a NG water truck, so I keep 3ea 3 gal water jugs which I use for car camping as well.

In the old days we just got water from the mountain streams, now I boil it, so I need well built jugs to hold the water while it cools.

If you have water but its unknown, need a way to store it while it cools or chemically treated.
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Mini bottles of booze for barter.
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You might want to add an NBC-rated gas mask (acknowledging that the filter that comes with most mil-surp gas masks are expired) for every properly supplied homesteader to help resist folks with hostile intentions.

Flushing you out with insect spray may be one possible scenario...especially with how ubiquitous RAID foggers are in homes.

I would do it if I had a case of foggers, had penetrated to your immediate perimeter, and wanted to take your location intact.
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Great lists!

I have a question though. You have so many different types of batteries listed. Is this because you have gear that requires all those types or is this in case you forage something that requires a battery you didn't stock?
Why not limit your battery operated gear to AA (or pick 2 sizes that are small and common).

I would imagine limiting to only a few sizes would help you keep your preps fresh by rotating the batteries through the products that you currently own. So you don't end up with a stockpile of dead batteries when you need it most.

Just my thoughts.
All of my BOB items are AA or AAA, with some Bug-In items requiring 9V or D sizes. No CR123s, too expensive and not too widely available.

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I did not see Water Cans. I keep water but its in the throw-away 5 gals boxes.

After the Northridge Quake, I saw on TV, people lined up at a NG water truck, so I keep 3ea 3 gal water jugs which I use for car camping as well.

In the old days we just got water from the mountain streams, now I boil it, so I need well built jugs to hold the water while it cools.

If you have water but its unknown, need a way to store it while it cools or chemically treated.
I picked up a few of the smaller 1-time-use bathtub bladders from CTD and have the collapsible 5gal carriers with spigots.

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Mini bottles of booze for barter.
BevMo has a great selection of the smaller bottles, all for around $1-2 each. Great to have as trade or comfort items.
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Will the 5gal carriers handle hot water from boiling?


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All of my BOB items are AA or AAA, with some Bug-In items requiring 9V or D sizes. No CR123s, too expensive and not too widely available.
I've done the same thing. Gone totally AA and recently started getting into portable solar chargers for them. Even ditched the battery operated reflex for a fiber optic Trijicon (has tritium for no light situations which I realize is a battery that does have a lifespan, but not going to stress about that one).

Done the same things with ammo. Selecting all NATO calibers and picking one caliber for pistol, another for rifle, and one for shotgun. Easy to stock, inexpensive compared to others and worst case scenario it's the easiest to forage for in urban areas.

My fear would be getting into a situation and realizing 'oh crap i'm out of X but I have tons of Y that doesn't fit'.
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Great lists!

I have a question though. You have so many different types of batteries listed. Is this because you have gear that requires all those types or is this in case you forage something that requires a battery you didn't stock?...
Hello Kaligaran,

Thanks...I've been working on it for awhile now

Since this is for a bug in situation, I do use all those types of batteries; flashlights (AAA, AA, CR123, and rechargeable), smoke and carbon monoxide detectors (9V), house and car alarm remotes (button), vehicle (12V), lanterns (C and D), house alarm backup (6v), and radios (C). However, I had them all there so others could give some thought into what they may need.

My INCH/GHB/BOB are all standardized on AAA (radio), AA (GPS and headlamp) and CR123 (uber powerful flashlight and UV/Miox water purifiers)


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Hello Californio,

Item 37 covers water and you should see containers in it. I used a generic term as there are so many ways to store water (barrel, tank, tub, bottle, flask, can, bladder, etc.)

I would only put boiling water into a metal container. While I can not speak with any authority on it, I would be concerned with the boiling water damaging the plastic (i.e. melting or deforming) or leaching some chemicals out of the plastic into the drinking water. You would have to check with the vendor. The only water container I have seen ok'd by the vendor to both boil and store water in was the Nalgene Standard and Backpacker models http://www.amazon.com/Guyot-designs-...ef=pd_sim_sg_2

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You might want to add an NBC-rated gas mask...
Good ideas, added NBC mask, suit and fogger

I had not thought of the fogger method for flushing someone out...scary though better then torching the place.
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I ran into the boiled water issue when camping with my girls, they use a lot of water, all I had was a large SS bowl to dump hot water in but then I had to wait for it to cool enough to pour into the polyethylene jugs. So when I got back I got one of these.

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Since this is for a bug in situation, I do use all those types of batteries; flashlights (AAA, AA, CR123, rechargeable), smoke and carbon monoxide detectors (9V), house and car alarm remotes (button), vehicle (12V), lanterns (D, 6V), and radios (C). However, I had them all there so others could give some though to what they may need.

My INCH/GHB/BOB are all standardized on AAA (radio), AA (GPS and headlamp) and CR123 (uber powerful flashlight and UV/Miox water purifiers)
Thanks for the clarification and thanks again for posting your lists!!! I'm sure they will benefit a lot of people.
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I've done the same thing. Gone totally AA and recently started getting into portable solar chargers for them. Even ditched the battery operated reflex for a fiber optic Trijicon (has tritium for no light situations which I realize is a battery that does have a lifespan, but not going to stress about that one).

Done the same things with ammo. Selecting all NATO calibers and picking one caliber for pistol, another for rifle, and one for shotgun. Easy to stock, inexpensive compared to others and worst case scenario it's the easiest to forage for in urban areas.

My fear would be getting into a situation and realizing 'oh crap i'm out of X but I have tons of Y that doesn't fit'.
Calibers I have been trying to keep to a minimum; 9mm, .45 auto, .223/5.56, .22LR, and 7.5Swiss. I've put C&R collecting on hold to bulk up these calibers here and not add any others. Batteries are bought in bulk and I'm working on getting family to start on solar battery chargers and focusing on only 1 or 2 sizes.
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Calibers I have been trying to keep to a minimum; 9mm, .45 auto, .223/5.56, .22LR, and 7.5Swiss. I've put C&R collecting on hold to bulk up these calibers here and not add any others. Batteries are bought in bulk and I'm working on getting family to start on solar battery chargers and focusing on only 1 or 2 sizes.
What is C&R collecting?
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C&R = Curio and Relic
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To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:

Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.

Firearms automatically attain C&R status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list. Therefore, ATF does not generally list firearms in the C&R publication by virtue of their age. However, if you wish for a classification of your particular firearm under categories (b) or (c) above and wish your item to be listed, you may submit the weapon to the Firearms Technology Branch (FTB) for a formal classification.
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Antibiotics, pain killers, amphetamines.
For pain killers, over the counter I assume, but antibiotics and stimulants? How? Day trip to Tijuana?

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For pain killers, over the counter I assume, but antibiotics and stimulants? How? Day trip to Tijuana?

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That would be where knowledge of herbs comes in, I assume.

Tea Tree Oil, Garlic Oil, Eucalyptus Oil, & Oregano oil are pretty powerful antibacterials/antifungals.

As for stimulants, I am not sure.
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C&R = Curio and Relic
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ATF C&R info:
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This. All of the oddball calibers that I would take on if I were collecting C&Rs would take away from prepping/consolidating.

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That would be where knowledge of herbs comes in, I assume.

Tea Tree Oil, Garlic Oil, Eucalyptus Oil, & Oregano oil are pretty powerful antibacterials/antifungals.

As for stimulants, I am not sure.
Stimulants? Heck, caffeine gum and caffeinated Jelly Beans exist. Single cup coffee packets, snoos, dip, there's a whole assortment of smaller/packable items that would work.
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You can get antibiotics over the counter at vet supply stores or the Internet.

It's for animals or fish, so you don't need a prescription. It's the same drug made by the same mfg and similar dosages as the people stuff. Just labeled different.

Make sure you know what to use, how to use it, how much and for what. It matters.

http://www.calvetsupply.com/category/Oral_Antibiotics
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Chief, Thanks for the list.

When we used to teach quake preparedness, one of the students was a shrink, suggested simple games ,cards, and other kids to keep games everyone happy.
A small portable radio is nice so you can keep up with the rest of the world.
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I would assume that most of these preps would be kept in the garage or other building. In the event of a earthquake you will need to gain entry.

So, maybe a small outbuilding with a sledge hammer, pry bars and other hand tools to all allow you to access your preps.
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I would assume that most of these preps would be kept in the garage or other building. In the event of a earthquake you will need to gain entry.

So, maybe a small outbuilding with a sledge hammer, pry bars and other hand tools to all allow you to access your preps.
It depends on you situation of course. I keep a number of these items in the shed especially any extrication tools, lifts, cribbing etc. However, given my home's layout, I keep most of it inside since the weather changes will damage the items.
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Lots of great lists in this thread Chief.

Even for those that are not prepping.

Couple of items come to mind:

Shovels: digging and square.

Mattock: pick and or cutter.

I saw you had pulleys and rope on the list but a specific hoist block and tackle set like tuf-tug might be a good addition to go along with some 6x6x8 timbers in your lumber cache.

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