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http://stopsb249.org/sb-249-faq.

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What do you mean? NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT! I've read to many cowardly suggestions in this thread alone... If our government is willing to take our guns then the time has come. Let's gather in Sacramento and send a message. Enough is enough. I would rather die on my feet than live as a coward.
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What do you mean? NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT! I've read to many cowardly suggestions in this thread alone... If our government is willing to take our guns then the time has come. Let's gather in Sacramento and send a message. Enough is enough. I would rather die on my feet than live as a coward.
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What do you mean? NO SURRENDER, NO RETREAT! I've read to many cowardly suggestions in this thread alone... If our government is willing to take our guns then the time has come. Let's gather in Sacramento and send a message. Enough is enough. I would rather die on my feet than live as a coward.
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Thats the spirit!
Just to make sure your not trolling me, the "Mag-Magnet" if used creates an illegal firearm. If it's illegal and they are trying to make it more illegal, who cares. Now if they are going after all BB's then of course this is non-sense and should be contested.

BTW I did sign both petitions against SB249

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I get pissed off when i see politicians waste tax payers money on criminalizing stuff and increasing our spending for things while avoiding to tackle the hard problems.

i sent a personal email to this bunch in addition to sign the petition. it went something like this (this is what i sent leland yee directly).

I have a concern regarding your bill SB249.
First off there is no evidence that criminalizing the item described in the bill will reduce any ongoing or future crimes. Thus you are creating a law because it is possible, not because it solves any issues we are confronted with in our state.

secondly we are in the worst recession in the last 100 years. Our communities are going bankrupt, our children are unable to find jobs. During this crisis i am severely disappointed that you choose to waste the taxpayers money on a law and doj resources on legislation to solve non-existent problems. I consider this the worst form of politics, when elected officials choose to avoid to tackle the difficult problems we face as a nation and instead spend time on their pet causes that doesnt aim to better any citizen of our states lives.

As it stands right now i am disappointed in that you have chosen to spend time on what is a distraction and not a hot burning issue for the citizens of this state.

what i hope you will do is recognize that laws that criminalizes things because they can lead to crimes which arent prevalent is a waste of tax payers money, it serves only special interests and doesnt help our state to get out of the trouble we are in. My plea to you and your staff is to focus on the rampant drug and gang problems we have in our state by spending more money on the police and preventative treatment, solve the underlying issue of criminality which is rooted in unemployment and economic opportunity and stop wasting your time on symbolic bills which makes you feel good but wastes our money.

In times like this it is important that our leaders lead by focusing on the big picture -and right now that is economy and opportunity for the people of this state.

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I get pissed off when i see politicians waste tax payers money on criminalizing stuff and increasing our spending for things while avoiding to tackle the hard problems.

i sent a personal email to this bunch in addition to sign the petition. it went something like this (this is what i sent leland yee directly).

I have a concern regarding your bill SB249.
First off there is no evidence that criminalizing the item described in the bill will reduce any ongoing or future crimes. Thus you are creating a law because it is possible, not because it solves any issues we are confronted with in our state.

secondly we are in the worst recession in the last 100 years. Our communities are going bankrupt, our children are unable to find jobs. During this crisis i am severely disappointed that you choose to waste the taxpayers money on a law and doj resources on legislation to solve non-existent problems. I consider this the worst form of politics, when elected officials choose to avoid to tackle the difficult problems we face as a nation and instead spend time on their pet causes that doesnt aim to better any citizen of our states lives.

As it stands right now i am disappointed in that you have chosen to spend time on what is a distraction and not a hot burning issue for the citizens of this state.

what i hope you will do is recognize that laws that criminalizes things because they can lead to crimes which arent prevalent is a waste of tax payers money, it serves only special interests and doesnt help our state to get out of the trouble we are in. My plea to you and your staff is to focus on the rampant drug and gang problems we have in our state by spending more money on the police and preventative treatment, solve the underlying issue of criminality which is rooted in unemployment and economic opportunity and stop wasting your time on symbolic bills which makes you feel good but wastes our money.

In times like this it is important that our leaders lead by focusing on the big picture -and right now that is economy and opportunity for the people of this state.

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This why I like these forums. We all try to send a message, but some are a little more eloquent than others. Nice messaging and so very true. These politicians always choose the wrong battles to fight. We should see more work done improving our schools and legislating against political and corporate crimes. I guess rich legislators don't want to step on any of their rich donors, easier to legislate against the common people.
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this legislation will pass in some form or another in the near future. I knew as soon as big 5 and turners started selling black rifles to every person who walked in that it would get out of hand and be over. something similar happened with open carry...and look what happened. CA isn't a gun state. I hope to eat my own words on this one but im a realist.
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is the mag-magnet that little red thing that screws into the bullet button? when does this law take affect and where can i buy them in bulk prior to the ban?


yee is such an idiot, his city san francisco is full of illegal immigrant gangsters, unmentionable crime in the tenderloin and mission, and hes worried about bullet buttons. i sent him an email saying i was a constituent and deeply concerned and dissapointed with his law.
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So after reading the bill, even possession will become a crime? WTF... there's not even a grandfather clause in there?

What exactly do they expect people to do if they own these items pre-bill? Surrender them to the police? (I really hope that's not the answer I get.)
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is the mag-magnet that little red thing that screws into the bullet button? when does this law take affect and where can i buy them in bulk prior to the ban?
The mag-magnet is actually magnetic. The tool you're talking about would also fall under this umbrella though. I imagine that convertable bullet buttons will as well.

If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone on here will correct me.
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So after reading the bill, even possession will become a crime? WTF... there's not even a grandfather clause in there?

What exactly do they expect people to do if they own these items pre-bill? Surrender them to the police? (I really hope that's not the answer I get.)
that or remove them from the state
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this legislation will pass in some form or another in the near future. I knew as soon as big 5 and turners started selling black rifles to every person who walked in that it would get out of hand and be over. something similar happened with open carry...and look what happened. CA isn't a gun state. I hope to eat my own words on this one but im a realist.
Yep. IMHO when big firearms companies like S&W and Colt started selling BB'd AR's, California decided to put a stop to it.
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quick question guys so let say the bill PASSES can i still keep my AR without any BB or regular mag release installed?
The current version of this bill appears (although it is murky) to outlaw all detachable magazine firearms regardless of age and no grandfathering. Owners would have to get them out of the state or hand them over to law enforcement for destruction. If passed, this bill would result in a massive confiscation of firearms, and turn thousands of law abiding citizens into criminals. The sponsor , YEE has been dancing around trying to say it only applies to the circumvention of bullet buttons but the law as written clearly intends to outlaw all the components that could be used in building an assault weapon.
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The current version of this bill appears (although it is murky) to outlaw all detachable magazine firearms regardless of age and no grandfathering. Owners would have to get them out of the state or hand them over to law enforcement for destruction. If passed, this bill would result in a massive confiscation of firearms, and turn thousands of law abiding citizens into criminals. The sponsor , YEE has been dancing around trying to say it only applies to the circumvention of bullet buttons but the law as written clearly intends to outlaw all the components that could be used in building an assault weapon.
So could you permanently attach a magazine (by welding, pinning or similar), load by top loading - and remain legal?
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So could you permanently attach a magazine (by welding, pinning or similar), load by top loading - and remain legal?
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Its time for the conservatives in this state to start acting like the FN liberals and lets get vocal...lets bring it to their doorsteps like they have been bringing it to ours for years now. This law passes and I hope that I wont be the only one to leave this fkn state. Along with the Anti-Arizona bill they passed this state is out of control...
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Just to make sure your not trolling me, the "Mag-Magnet" if used creates an illegal firearm. If it's illegal and they are trying to make it more illegal, who cares. Now if they are going after all BB's then of course this is non-sense and should be contested.
Don't know what trolling is, but sure I'm not doing it.... In CA there is no step backwards & no surrender! We need a united front!!! Maybe I took what you said out of context, but we should fight every fight, for every defeat/give ~ we take ten steps backwards!

& while not a legal eagle, from what I've read, its just vague enough to be construed that they're going after all "conversions kits"
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The current version of this bill appears (although it is murky) to outlaw all detachable magazine firearms regardless of age and no grandfathering. Owners would have to get them out of the state or hand them over to law enforcement for destruction. If passed, this bill would result in a massive confiscation of firearms, and turn thousands of law abiding citizens into criminals. The sponsor , YEE has been dancing around trying to say it only applies to the circumvention of bullet buttons but the law as written clearly intends to outlaw all the components that could be used in building an assault weapon.
whoo! whatever you're smoking, i want some.

read the bill in its current form. no, seriously -- READ it. it doesn't do any of those things.
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I was thinking along the same lines. Any thoughts?
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Along with the Anti-Arizona bill they passed this state is out of control...
Actually it more of an anti-CA bill because it will only attract more illegal immigrants to the state leach off of the system and tax payer dollars. Does not affect AZ any way that I can see.
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Am I missing something? Where or how does the bill make a magazine locking device (bullet button) illegal?

The bill does not appear to ban bullet buttons....bullet buttons convert detachable magazine rifles into fixed magazine rifles.

The bill does ban conversion kits that do the opposite; convert fixed magazine weapons into detachable magazine weapons. Like the mag magnet so easily converts your bullet button fixed magazine into a detachable magazine assault weapon.

What am I missing?
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Am I missing something? Where or how does the bill make a magazine locking device (bullet button) illegal?

The bill does not appear to ban bullet buttons....bullet buttons convert detachable magazine rifles into fixed magazine rifles.

The bill does ban conversion kits that do the opposite; convert fixed magazine weapons into detachable magazine weapons. Like the mag magnet so easily converts your bullet button fixed magazine into a detachable magazine assault weapon.

What am I missing?
Agreed, where is the huge disconnect here? If the law is to eliminate the tools/items that will bypass the bullet button and not outlaw the bullet button then I don't see an issue to the extent of welding my magazines or shipping them out of state. I do agree with fighting off any negative change since we are already so restricted but we have all known in the back of our minds that using the magnet or the red tool was a no no and eventually it would be made illegal... well it appears that it came sooner than later. I think the uninformed are creating extra stress on everyone else and that needs to stop. Lets sit back and see where it ends up while still trying to defend what we can.
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Agreed, where is the huge disconnect here? If the law is to eliminate the tools/items that will bypass the bullet button and not outlaw the bullet button then I don't see an issue to the extent of welding my magazines or shipping them out of state. I do agree with fighting off any negative change since we are already so restricted but we have all known in the back of our minds that using the magnet or the red tool was a no no and eventually it would be made illegal... well it appears that it came sooner than later. I think the uninformed are creating extra stress on everyone else and that needs to stop. Lets sit back and see where it ends up while still trying to defend what we can.
what you two are so easily missing is a couple things that i will try to sum up quikcly.

1. it is perfectly legal to own a mag magnet and USE it on a lower when you have put a rimfire upper on it. rimfire uppers do not trigger any legal issues with a mag magnet.

2. they could decide that anything and everything is a conversion kit. i.e. I have a featureless gun, they call the spare pistol grip i have for when I want to make a bullet button gun, a "conversion kit".

do you see why we want to oppose this?
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It seems the the California gun owners' choice will soon be to surrender ALL their LEGAL guns and rights -or- like Gang-Bangers, enjoy the full freedom of gun ownership ILLEGALLY.
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It seems the the California gun owners' choice will soon be to surrender ALL their LEGAL guns and rights -or- like Gang-Bangers, enjoy the full freedom of gun ownership ILLEGALLY.
Will not be surrendering anything...

I really don't understand how they pass something, that they themselves, admit violates the constitution.
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Will not be surrendering anything...

I really don't understand how they pass something, that they themselves, admit violates the constitution.
since when do polititions care about your constitutional rights or if it violates the constitution?
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Old 07-12-2012, 8:42 PM
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yee himself says in this interview (theres video in this too if you dont want to read that goes over article lol)

that hes going after mag magnets , they even asked him why did he change his mind and not go after the bullet button

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/201...state-sen-yee/


even if its true , now the news report is talking about brady campaign wanting to just ban ar15s all together (probably old news)
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