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Old 07-06-2012, 10:04 AM
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Ive been thinking about this for years, maybe even decades. Every once in a while I see some act of nature that refreshes my memory. I will get right to the point, humans do not fit well with this planet. Let me elaborate...

As I watched a returning pair of Geese lay their eggs outside my back door, we have a small lake here, I watched the eggs hatch and the goslings grow. The baby geese grow fast, they double in size every week for a while then grow to the size of the parents. The growth all happens in the course of a couple months. The babies are ready to fly out with the parents at around the 2.5 month mark.

Having shot photography over the years in Yellowstone park and the southwest I watched the baby animals being born and grow rapidly so they could evade predators. The baby animals seem to be born with everything they need to survive unlike humans. Humans take years to mature enough to take care of themselves and are not equipped with any of the necessary survival equipment like animals are.

Unlike animals humans simply do not fit this planet like the rest of the fauna and flora. Let me cover a few of the areas I see us not fitting.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage.
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.
We lack scales or feathers for protection.
We cannot breathe under water.
We cant smell water necessary for our survival.
We lack the physical power animals have.
We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.
Our eyes do not see that well at night.
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.

I could go on for quite some time about the lack of "fit" with the planet. I just cannot think of any animal born that requires so long of an incubation period for self sufficiency of the baby. Yet here we are as the top predator, for the most part, unless we forget our man-made guns, jackets, water bottles and shoes.

Anyone else ever think that we are not the perfect fit here?
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I have definitely considered that. But then I realize "we r smarter than them animals".
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I have definitely considered that. But then I realize "we r smarter than them animals".
I agree in some areas we are smarter but in others, not so much. What other animal destroys its environment?
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The basis for so many "oddities" is that there has never been an evolutionary leap like (what we commonly call) intelligence.

We're on top because, it turns out, intelligence is the nuclear bomb of evolutionary adaptations. It's the trump card.

We might destroy ourselves and damage lots of this planet (and I believe we eventually will) because of this thing called intelligence.

Imagine what might happen if another mutation, that is equally game-changing, occurs. Noodle on that sh*t for a while!
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I knew, I knew it......aliens have invaded the planet - and they are US
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Kids can be pretty tough.

Visit a 3rd World Ghetto. Street Rats can survive.
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I believe that the size of a woman's birth canal dictates the size of human babies to a great degree, as a fully matured brain in a skull to house it would make childbirth impossible, not to mention fatal!
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... What other animal destroys its environment?
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Eh,we fit well enough...All life will overpopulate and destroy its environment. The things that keep most species in check: predation, disease, famine etc are the same things that some preppers get called tinfoil hat wearing nutjobs for prepping for.

With 7+ billion people on this planet, our kind is gonna get a taste of something we haven't had since the development of industrial civilization anyhow. It seems to me a matter of time.
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Ive been thinking about this for years, maybe even decades. Every once in a while I see some act of nature that refreshes my memory. I will get right to the point, humans do not fit well with this planet. Let me elaborate...

As I watched a returning pair of Geese lay their eggs outside my back door, we have a small lake here, I watched the eggs hatch and the goslings grow. The baby geese grow fast, they double in size every week for a while then grow to the size of the parents. The growth all happens in the course of a couple months. The babies are ready to fly out with the parents at around the 2.5 month mark.

Having shot photography over the years in Yellowstone park and the southwest I watched the baby animals being born and grow rapidly so they could evade predators. The baby animals seem to be born with everything they need to survive unlike humans. Humans take years to mature enough to take care of themselves and are not equipped with any of the necessary survival equipment like animals are.

Unlike animals humans simply do not fit this planet like the rest of the fauna and flora. Let me cover a few of the areas I see us not fitting.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage.
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.
We lack scales or feathers for protection.
We cannot breathe under water.
We cant smell water necessary for our survival.
We lack the physical power animals have.
We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.
Our eyes do not see that well at night.
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.

I could go on for quite some time about the lack of "fit" with the planet. I just cannot think of any animal born that requires so long of an incubation period for self sufficiency of the baby. Yet here we are as the top predator, for the most part, unless we forget our man-made guns, jackets, water bottles and shoes.

Anyone else ever think that we are not the perfect fit here?
Yet our intelligence allows us to come up with solutions to mitigate every single thing on that list. Humans = Winning still
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Old 07-06-2012, 2:38 PM
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You sir are a man to sit and have some drinks and conversate with.

I definitely agree we have been conditionally softened and made weaker as a species.

The comparison to wild animals I kind of see it another way though. Even the wildest of animal has to adapt and conform to their environment or suffer the consequences.

We as humans have just become overly efficient at adapting to our environment and no longer have to rely on our ďwildĒ side.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage. Even a wild animal will seek shelter from the elements because their skin or fur is not all protective.
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours. Iíve seen the ears and noses of wild animalís burn to a crisp from sun exposure and a wild animal with skin cancer.
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet. I blame it on water softeners and lotion.
We lack scales or feathers for protection. Have you seen the bottoms of my feet? I do have scales.
We cannot breathe under water. Comparatively there are only a few wild species that can.
We canít smell water necessary for our survival. Maybe not but we posses the ability to get it and find where it should be.
We lack the physical power animals have. Cunning and tactics are the strongest power almost any animal can possess.
We canít walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads. When I was a kid I hardly knew what shoes were. Shale stickers you name it, but there are limits to everything. Iíve had to wraps dogs feet from being ripped up by rough terrain. Iíve had to stall up more than one horse from bruised or cracked hooves.
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs. Because we have been domesticated by our wives and mothers.
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in. The top predators or animals donít need to camouflage or blend as well. Look at an elephant. Or kind of like a dark colored wolf compare to a snowshoe hare in snowy regions.
Our eyes do not see that well at night. There are wild animals with worst vision than ours. Different senses for different needs.
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature. I canít think of too many creatures that are not some what limited right after birth or hatch. We are just slower at getting there.
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it. Thatís because we are not allowed to eat the weak and strengthen the herd.

As well, I donít think that ďgeneralĒ environmental destruction can be attributed to our intelligence or lack there of. You take almost any other animal and get rid of their natural predators and most will over populate and destroy their environment by way of natural resource destruction and waste pollution.
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^^this. We as humans also seemed to work out fairly well when we didnt have any "modern" implements, clothes, etc.
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After we became smart enough to harvest our foods easily, we lost those primal needs and put sunblock on.
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We would win overall. We have already won. One on one we might lose a fight, be remember we are a social animal and we live with others that makes it many vs one or many vs many. Again we would win, our ancisters were fighting all types of animals in the past and we can still do it. Sure we might have lost the knowlegde how to take down a tiger with only spears but a little trail and error with full tiger belles and i am sure we could have it down again.

Now viruses well we are not the top there, but we are making strides.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage. We take other animals fur, plus we dont need it in warm climates
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.Thats what mud and a tan are for, see number one
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.We have a damage avoidance system called a brain
We lack scales or feathers for protection.unneeded, with proper weapons feathers and scales are easly bypassed, it would slow us down, ALSO see number one
We cannot breathe under water.Why do we need to we have legs not fins, we can hold our breath for 2-4 mins
We cant smell water necessary for our survival.Dont need to we live in areas where there is water, and remember where there is water
We lack the physical power animals have.We have enough power to handle weapons, also more power takes more calories, not a good thing all the time
We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.i can walk bear foot when i was in swimming, just takes getting used
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.We DO have Teeth and Thumbs!
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.Overrated, also see mud and number 1
Our eyes do not see that well at night.We see fine, also we should be sleep at night
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.Thats not different then most animals, a 3yr can kill many animals just fine
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.all animals are
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Ive been thinking about this for years, maybe even decades. Every once in a while I see some act of nature that refreshes my memory. I will get right to the point, humans do not fit well with this planet. Let me elaborate...

As I watched a returning pair of Geese lay their eggs outside my back door, we have a small lake here, I watched the eggs hatch and the goslings grow. The baby geese grow fast, they double in size every week for a while then grow to the size of the parents. The growth all happens in the course of a couple months. The babies are ready to fly out with the parents at around the 2.5 month mark.

Having shot photography over the years in Yellowstone park and the southwest I watched the baby animals being born and grow rapidly so they could evade predators. The baby animals seem to be born with everything they need to survive unlike humans. Humans take years to mature enough to take care of themselves and are not equipped with any of the necessary survival equipment like animals are.

Unlike animals humans simply do not fit this planet like the rest of the fauna and flora. Let me cover a few of the areas I see us not fitting.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage.
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.
We lack scales or feathers for protection.
We cannot breathe under water.
We cant smell water necessary for our survival.
We lack the physical power animals have.
We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.
Our eyes do not see that well at night.
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.

I could go on for quite some time about the lack of "fit" with the planet. I just cannot think of any animal born that requires so long of an incubation period for self sufficiency of the baby. Yet here we are as the top predator, for the most part, unless we forget our man-made guns, jackets, water bottles and shoes.

Anyone else ever think that we are not the perfect fit here?
This is exactly true because humans are not animals.
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Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.

Also from a purely human physical stand point we are ready to reproduce way before we even hit our second decade. Mature in the mind is a luxury not a
'need" for us to live.
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Ive been thinking about this for years, maybe even decades. Every once in a while I see some act of nature that refreshes my memory. I will get right to the point, humans do not fit well with this planet. Let me elaborate...

As I watched a returning pair of Geese lay their eggs outside my back door, we have a small lake here, I watched the eggs hatch and the goslings grow. The baby geese grow fast, they double in size every week for a while then grow to the size of the parents. The growth all happens in the course of a couple months. The babies are ready to fly out with the parents at around the 2.5 month mark.

Having shot photography over the years in Yellowstone park and the southwest I watched the baby animals being born and grow rapidly so they could evade predators. The baby animals seem to be born with everything they need to survive unlike humans. Humans take years to mature enough to take care of themselves and are not equipped with any of the necessary survival equipment like animals are.

Unlike animals humans simply do not fit this planet like the rest of the fauna and flora. Let me cover a few of the areas I see us not fitting.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage.
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.
We lack scales or feathers for protection.
We cannot breathe under water.
We cant smell water necessary for our survival.
We lack the physical power animals have.
We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.
Our eyes do not see that well at night.
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.

I could go on for quite some time about the lack of "fit" with the planet. I just cannot think of any animal born that requires so long of an incubation period for self sufficiency of the baby. Yet here we are as the top predator, for the most part, unless we forget our man-made guns, jackets, water bottles and shoes.

Anyone else ever think that we are not the perfect fit here?
Sounds like bad genes. You Probably shouldn't reproduce and weaken our species anymore..

Like others have said go to a third world country where kids aren't coddled tell they are 25 and see what they have been able to adapt to.
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We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs. Because we have been domesticated by our wives and mothers.
Evolution dictated by domestication? Darwin would be proud.


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Ive been thinking about this for years, maybe even decades. Every once in a while I see some act of nature that refreshes my memory. I will get right to the point, humans do not fit well with this planet. Let me elaborate...

As I watched a returning pair of Geese lay their eggs outside my back door, we have a small lake here, I watched the eggs hatch and the goslings grow. The baby geese grow fast, they double in size every week for a while then grow to the size of the parents. The growth all happens in the course of a couple months. The babies are ready to fly out with the parents at around the 2.5 month mark.

Having shot photography over the years in Yellowstone park and the southwest I watched the baby animals being born and grow rapidly so they could evade predators. The baby animals seem to be born with everything they need to survive unlike humans. Humans take years to mature enough to take care of themselves and are not equipped with any of the necessary survival equipment like animals are.

Unlike animals humans simply do not fit this planet like the rest of the fauna and flora. Let me cover a few of the areas I see us not fitting.

We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage.
We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.
Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.
We lack scales or feathers for protection.
We cannot breathe under water.
We cant smell water necessary for our survival.
We lack the physical power animals have.
We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.
We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.
We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.
Our eyes do not see that well at night.
Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.
We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.

I could go on for quite some time about the lack of "fit" with the planet. I just cannot think of any animal born that requires so long of an incubation period for self sufficiency of the baby. Yet here we are as the top predator, for the most part, unless we forget our man-made guns, jackets, water bottles and shoes.

Anyone else ever think that we are not the perfect fit here?
Makes me think of the scene from 2001 a space odessy....the Dawn of man:



We evolved beyond that
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I agree in some areas we are smarter but in others, not so much. What other animal destroys its environment?
WILD PIGS and German roaches
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Yet we survive and thrive in every environment on the planet. We are the only animal to do so.
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Looked at from the perspective of 20, 21st century (AD) man is one thing, Man looks wimpy.

Looked at over over the eons of time and evolution is another, Man is a tough and adaptive critter. He works in packs and can be damned ornery.

Hard to compare a white "lab" rat with a barn rat.

Also physical perspective, where one observes from, can change the view.
A guy in New York city, will see things differently than a bushman in the Kalahari, a head hunter in New Guinea, or Indian of the deep Amazon, etc..
They all have the same basic physical attributes.

Some folks think we have evolved quite a bit.
IMHO You don't have to peal the onion very far to find the "caveman".

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Yet we survive and thrive in every environment on the planet. We are the only animal to do so.
Negative. Coyotes are also able too. Yup even in Antarctica.
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Yet we survive and thrive in every environment on the planet. We are the only animal to do so.
Negative. Coyotes are also able too. Yup even in Antarctica.
Both of you are forgetting a few environments -- take your man and your coyote to the bottom of the Marianas Trench. Let me know how your thriving goes. Heck, even the top of Everest will kill both species after a number of hours.

Another example: put the man + coyote into a sulfur spring. There are bacteria which call that home, but the mammals will die a painful death.

Check out tubeworms thriving near volcanic vents at the bottom of the Japan Sea.

etc...

Once you stop and think about it, there are a lot more environments out there. One thing in common: in one way or another, our intelligence has enabled man to at least visit them all. No animal will ever have that chance.
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I agree in some areas we are smarter but in others, not so much. What other animal destroys its environment?
Beavers, locusts, jack rabbits, lemmings.
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Once you stop and think about it, there are a lot more environments out there. One thing in common: in one way or another, our intelligence has enabled man to at least visit them all. No animal will ever have that chance.
disagree with the last statement, dogs go with us to many of these places, under water, diving, skydiving, extreme winters etc. Maybe the dogs are smarter then us since we pick up there poop, feed and groom them, pay for there medical bills. And all they have to do is fetch a ball for us and let us rub there tummy! LOL




ps cats on the other hand can die at anytime and only defective humans keep them.
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We have no fur to protect us from cold, sun or skin damage.
Depending on the climate you live in, you would become cold adapted or warm adapted relatively quickly. People in scandinavian climates jump in their respective water bodies in winter, and do just fine. It was the age of heaters and air conditioners that suppressed our ability to adapt. It is possible to change this back to normal.

For anything too cold, we were smart enough to get fur.

We sunburn easily and can burn to a crisp in just a few hours.
Another problem caused by modern living, caused by mainly two things: lack of vitamin d3 (from the sun) and the removal of protective fauna (trees).

Our skin is easily damaged by most anything on the planet.
See above. You need to be exposed to those things on a constant basis to develop tougher skin. Like callouses.

We lack scales or feathers for protection.
It was never needed. We evolved to be small pack animals and tool users.

We cannot breathe under water.
So? We can learn to hold our breath for long periods of time.

We cant smell water necessary for our survival.
We cannot smell water, but we could smell the animals near it. We could also listen and observe the patterns of animals. We also have very good internal sense of direction to find water sources again.

Also, in really clean environments, you can smell misty water from pretty far away.

We lack the physical power animals have.
Once again, we are tool users. That is not to say we cannot have immense physical strength, we just don't use it, and don't nourish our bodies enough to achieve such strength.

We cant walk barefoot, we have no hooves or pads.
Yes we can. Walk barefoot enough and not even those huge goat head stickers will get through the bottom of your feet.

We have no natural weapons like claws or fangs.
You win this one.

We cannot camouflage our skin or blend in.
We know how to camouflage and blend in, which is even better than having it naturally. One day I can be near pink fauna, and wipe a ton of berry juice all over me. The next day, I could be covered in mud.

Our eyes do not see that well at night.
We will never see as well as some animals, but you can adapt to see well at night, if you get rid of the annoying light pollution.

Our babies must be born in a protected shelter and take decades to mature.
If our babies matured quickly, we would die very young. We also baby them more in modern life. A child in a hunter-gatherer tribe was working with the adults by puberty, and was able to hunt small game even before then.

We are easily stricken by disease and seem to not have much immunity to it.
That is a problem with modern life as well. We need to eat better as a species. Sadly, our number has grown so big that to feed everyone properly, you have to feed them fake, processed foods. Eating a real, whole foods diet, as if you were out hunting and gathering as a hermit, and chronic diseases and illnesses will stop appearing for you. Just ask anyone eating a whole foods diet.

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Think of it this way. We evolved to be perfectly suited for our respective environments. It is when we came together and became societies, that SHTF for humans. It went too fast, too quick.
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+1 for bill carson....he got it right
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+1 for bill carson....he got it right
Actually BOTH of you are wrong.


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Are humans animals?
In: Biology, Human Origins
Answer:
Yes,
humans are animals. The human's phylum is Chordata (vertebrate). The human's class is mammalia. It's order is primate (the same as apes). It's family is Hominidae (apes that have no tail and can gather food with their hands.) The Human's sub-family is Homininae. It's tribe is Hominini. It's genus is Homo and it's specie is scientifically named Homo Sapiens.
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"God put yeast in the mind of man"

Just a thought.

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